The return for Hartman was good, I just don’t see the point in making the trade in the first place. Maybe there’s more to Stan’s plan, I’m reserving judgment until the draft to see how he uses that pick.
- DarthKane

Stan was just pacifying Q. I hope this blows up in their faces. It will hasten Q's exit.

Stan was just pacifying Q. I hope this blows up in their faces. It will hasten Q's exit.
- 67hawks

If Hartman goes on to really blow up in Nashville...Rocky needs to come down from the box and ask these clowns



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V0TYIO6yv4

I think the blame is completely on Q , not giving him a chance at his proper poistion , benching him for any mistake , low minutes. Bowman had no choice they to trade him. I feel the Hawks are gonna regret this trade
- HamiltonHawk

It will look bad for the next couple of years, in all likelihood, as the player drafted probably won't be helping the big club yet. He had to go to Nashville, lol

Nothing better than the single data point evaluations...

Hartman looked good here in fits and spurts as well. What he never has shown is consistency. I'm not trying to bash the kid, but have some perspective on the situation. Hartman had about 15-20 really good games with the Hawks this year, and the rest were basically pedestrian.

If he shows otherwise in Nashville, then good for him and he showed Bowman/Q. Until he does that, he is just another "nice" player of which we have several. We need more difference makers in order to turn this thing around.

Nothing better than the single data point evaluations...

Hartman looked good here in fits and spurts as well. What he never has shown is consistency. I'm not trying to bash the kid, but have some perspective on the situation. Hartman had about 15-20 really good games with the Hawks this year, and the rest were basically pedestrian.

If he shows otherwise in Nashville, then good for him and he showed Bowman/Q. Until he does that, he is just another "nice" player of which we have several. We need more difference makers in order to turn this thing around.
- Chunk

We are not really going to be able to get those difference makers because some guys are being paid like they are difference makers so we don't really have the cap room to go get other difference makers, because we're stuck with these overpaid difference makers who are not difference makers.

As long as Stan packages both 1st round picks to draft Tzchuk I could give two (frank)s what Hartman does for Trashville this RS. If I don't have to see those hideous mustard yellow jerseys past Round 1, and the Hawks get Tzchuck, I will be very happy.

Edit: just remember who hated trading Hartman yesterday...myself, 67hawks, and HamiltonHawks all were not thrilled IIRC. See what happens when you're not getting choked by Quenneville's short leash??? It's one game, but Nashville picked up a good player.

Watching the Preds game, Hartman looks more himself, playing with a purpose. The Preds guy said the GM , when asked about the Hartman trade, he said we really didn't give up any assets...... Looks like little Stanley got had again. I would think , given the Preds roster that they have pretty good hockey evaluators in place in their organization. The Swede is probably as soft as a DQ cone on a hot summer day. Aaaaaaaahhh Boy! Bowman.
The more I think about it, ya trust Bowman to make that pick if some of the big names are there when it's his turn?
- wonthecup10

HAS ANy gm ever said they gave up to much in a trade?

As long as Stan packages both 1st round picks to draft Tzchuk I could give two (frank)s what Hartman does for Trashville this RS. If I don't have to see those hideous mustard yellow jerseys past Round 1, and the Hawks get Tzchuck, I will be very happy.

Edit: just remember who hated trading Hartman yesterday...myself, 67hawks, and HamiltonHawks all were not thrilled IIRC. See what happens when you're not getting choked by Quenneville's short leash??? It's one game, but Nashville picked up a good player.
- EnzoD

THIS!!!!

Problem is time is on Hartmans side, eventually the dumb hockey player will come out, eventually. Ffs he's had 1 good game in Chicago problem with him and 80% of this team, consistency

THIS!!!!
- kwolf68

Anybody listen to the-rink podcast following the deadline. I didn't realize that tkachuk is cousins with Kevin and jimmy hayes. Any chance of resentment in the family?

Another Bowman fail....
- DarthKane

A Bowman fail or a Q fail.
Hartman does well in right environment.
Let's see Hartman can respond with maturity or receive benching. It is a long season.

You like to blame Bowman all the time. Well any good coach would not tolerate the poor set up and execution on pp for years. Maybe it is no easy button to push to replace Q - he has win despite personal failure in some of his coaching. And who would take over, anyway.

Maybe next season Kerith finally looses his pp duty. It will dawn upon Q that Keith is less capable than earlier in his career. But will new look Blackhawks have any toughness. If they get hammered repeatedly, maybe someone should talk to McDonough and explain that Stan doesn't get it......need more grit and toughness.

A tough pill for both Q and Bowman to swallow. As aforementioned, both have shortcoming now and in the past. Just the facts.

Hartman looked great tonight and just scored what looks like the Game Winning Goal. WoW.
- kwolf68

Tuffy Rhodes.

If Hartman goes on to really blow up in Nashville...Rocky needs to come down from the box and ask these clowns



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V0TYIO6yv4
- kwolf68

Hartman doesn't have t blow up in Nash. He just has to be the player he is for it to be a bad trade. He was jerked around all season by Q. I am far from a Q basher and while I still think he is a very good coach, his time in Chicago should come to an end.

The vets are tired of his song and dance. It happens . His mantra all season has been consistency when he has been the most inconsistent of them all. His constant line-up shuffling is one of the reason this team has struggled. Especially on the defensive side of the puck. Every game guys are playing with new line mates/different positions. Its beyond ridiculous at this point.

As long as Stan packages both 1st round picks to draft Tzchuk I could give two (frank)s what Hartman does for Trashville this RS. If I don't have to see those hideous mustard yellow jerseys past Round 1, and the Hawks get Tzchuck, I will be very happy.

Edit: just remember who hated trading Hartman yesterday...myself, 67hawks, and HamiltonHawks all were not thrilled IIRC. See what happens when you're not getting choked by Quenneville's short leash??? It's one game, but Nashville picked up a good player.
- EnzoD

Moving those pick for Brady Tkachuk would just make a made decision even worse. He isn't a player you trade up to get. Zadina/Svechnikov are those types of players.

Dahlin is needed by every team in the Top 10.

Moving those pick for Brady Tkachuk would just make a made decision even worse. He isn't a player you trade up to get. Zadina/Svechnikov are those types of players.

Dahlin is needed by every team in the Top 10.
- TTtime

Thank you for perspective this and your post immediately above

Stan was just pacifying Q. I hope this blows up in their faces. It will hasten Q's exit.
- 67hawks

Undoubtedly should be the thank you very much as Q exits and a new man, new direction takes the reigns.

Bowman might have one more season to show that he is turning the team around

Anybody listen to the-rink podcast following the deadline. I didn't realize that tkachuk is cousins with Kevin and jimmy hayes. Any chance of resentment in the family?
- hawkitect

I wonder if Tkachuk is just like he's cousin Kevin, and enjoys taking a dump in a public stairwell once in a while.

Hartman doesn't have t blow up in Nash. He just has to be the player he is for it to be a bad trade. He was jerked around all season by Q. I am far from a Q basher and while I still think he is a very good coach, his time in Chicago should come to an end.

The vets are tired of his song and dance. It happens . His mantra all season has been consistency when he has been the most inconsistent of them all. His constant line-up shuffling is one of the reason this team has struggled. Especially on the defensive side of the puck. Every game guys are playing with new line mates/different positions. Its beyond ridiculous at this point.
- TTtime

Q and Bowman's time will eventually come to an end just based on missing the playoffs for a couple of years in a row. The Central Division is an unfriendly place to compete in when there isn't enough talent in the system, especially on defence. This team is going to reside at the bottom for awhile looking up at Nashville, Winnipeg, Dallas and a developing Colorado team.

Nope. The blame can not be ONLy on Q, Bowman is the one who traded him. But Q isn't helping any of these guys I don't think. It seems sometimes Q just has his pets and then guys who cant do anything right. Hartman was his whipping boy. Hartman is probably overjoyed to be out of this mess.
- kwolf68

This was posted on the last blog.....


Ok, I'm sorry, but I have to jump in on all this Hartman love - and revisionist history about him.

While his rookie year did show promise, he took a major step back this past summer - mainly dropping 10+ pounds - thinking he could be more effective as a speedy skilled forward. And while it was reported that he did this under team management's request, that was nothing more than spin control.

The organization saw him as a replacement for Shaw, but wanted him to make his living around the net, not trying to out skate defenders - which was never his forte - especially after the knee injury he suffered before the draft.

The thought that he became a prima donna coming into camp this past fall is not completely untrue - he did think a summer working with Kane, Schmaltz and Hinostroza would improve his offensive skills, but that was not what the team needed from him. And it's the main reason he was up and down the lineup all season. And it's been said that he was telling some people that Quenneville did this to him to keep his scoring down - so they wouldn't have to pay him as much this off season.

If there is a split in the locker room, I think Quenneville mentioning the other night that money plays may be the leading factor to that split. It's hard to justify benching young players for mistakes, but allowing veterans to make the same mistakes, only to see no decrease in minutes or nights dressing for that matter.

That can definitely split a locker room, but this would not be the first year it has happened here. Quenneville has always had his favorites, and played them over better choices - look no further than #32 in the past, and #10 this year.

And while most people here keep complaining about the deal for Timmonen, Quenneville, the other coaches, and every player in that locker room respected Kimmo, and wanted to see him raise that cup in his final year. That's why he was played, and why they traded for him - not because Bowman was being an idiot - teams and players around the league thought it was a very classy move.

And most people here keep complaining about the contracts for Seabrook, Toews and Kane. What most of you don't take into consideration is each player gives back 15-20 percent of their gross income each year for the 5% escalator. And Hawk management, the agents and the players all took this into consideration when each deal was negotiated. So the next time you complain about these contracts, just remember that Seabrook only sees about $5.85 a year before taxes. Kane and Toews see about $8.9 a year. When you take the escalator into account, you can see that they don't actually get the dollars which hit the cap - which is something I asked about, but never did get a straight answer - basically was told it's "complicated".

Another point, I did speak to someone within the organization - they are playing up the loss of Crawford big time for the team's current standing. But something else was also mentioned - people don't realize just how big of a loss Hossa is - especially for how much of the ice in front of Crawford he defended for 18+ minutes a night. He made life a LOT easier for the defensemen when he was out there - and as a unit, they are missing him more than any of us know.

Also, another thing most of us don't take into account is just how many new and inexperienced faces are in this lineup from even just two years ago. Yes, we all clamor for in his prime Andrew Shaw, but those days are over, and they do miss a player like him. Also, most here screamed about how much Kruger was paid, but you really forget how important he was in both of his Cup runs, especially in 2015 - helping to shut down Anaheim's best scoring lines. Without him, they would not have advanced. And in his prime - scoring 30+ goals a season Patrick Sharp made things a lot easier on that first line for Toews and Hossa - that too has not been replaced. Saad helped in 2015, but he was never that great finisher that Sharp was.

And one last thing - for all of you clamoring for a rebuild - just ask the Edmonton fans how that is going. This year will be their 28th rebuilding and retooling year without a cup, and that's with McDavid still only 21. And you can bet the Hawks will NEVER get the ping pong ball luck the Oilers have seen during this decade - and even with it, Edmonton still can't get it right.

So be careful what you wish for............

Moving those pick for Brady Tkachuk would just make a made decision even worse. He isn't a player you trade up to get. Zadina/Svechnikov are those types of players.

Dahlin is needed by every team in the Top 10.
- TTtime

Perhaps, but I was told Russians only care about performance bonuses and the World Championships.....our buddy Wiz really likes Tzchuck and it's the attitude combined with the size and skill that makes him so intriguing for me. Hawks have a bunch of perimeter forwards and now there is literally not one forward on the top 3 lines that hits anybody. Depending on the lottery balls, the Hawks may be able to grab Tzchuk 5-10 and get a Dman with Nashville's 1st.

This was posted on the last blog.....




If there is a split in the locker room, I think Quenneville mentioning the other night that money plays may be the leading factor to that split. It's hard to justify benching young players for mistakes, but allowing veterans to make the same mistakes, only to see no decrease in minutes or nights dressing for that matter.

That can definitely split a locker room, but this would not be the first year it has happened here. Quenneville has always had his favorites, and played them over better choices - look no further than #32 in the past, and #10 this year.

And most people here keep complaining about the contracts for Seabrook, Toews and Kane. What most of you don't take into consideration is each player gives back 15-20 percent of their gross income each year for the 5% escalator. And Hawk management, the agents and the players all took this into consideration when each deal was negotiated. So the next time you complain about these contracts, just remember that Seabrook only sees about $5.85 a year before taxes. Kane and Toews see about $8.9 a year. When you take the escalator into account, you can see that they don't actually get the dollars which hit the cap - which is something I asked about, but never did get a straight answer - basically was told it's "complicated".


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- dahawks8819

Agree with the first paragraph about coaches favorites, but that happens on every hockey team at every level, even Mite hockey.

The escalator affects every NHL player making millions of dollars every year to play a game. Sorry, but you'll have to look elsewhere for sympathy that Seabrook "only" takes home $4 mil a year.

Perhaps, but I was told Russians only care about performance bonuses and the World Championships.....our buddy Wiz really likes Tzchuck and it's the attitude combined with the size and skill that makes him so intriguing for me. Hawks have a bunch of perimeter forwards and now there is literally not one forward on the top 3 lines that hits anybody. Depending on the lottery balls, the Hawks may be able to grab Tzchuk 5-10 and get a Dman with Nashville's 1st.
- EnzoD

Can only guess now if Hartman, or Hartman + would be enough to exchange first round picks. Of course it is subject to the exsct order of selection and who knows how the ping pong balls would fall

Agree with the first paragraph about coaches favorites, but that happens on every hockey team at every level, even Mite hockey.

The escalator affects every NHL player making millions of dollars every year to play a game. Sorry, but you'll have to look elsewhere for sympathy that Seabrook "only" takes home $4 mil a year.
- EnzoD

No intent for sympathy, but if you were said player, you would want to be paid fairly, with the escalator taken into account.

And, from someone that works in the Hawks front office, Bowman negotiated full well knowing that the cap numbers for Kane, Toews and Seabrook would be very different from what each player would actually be taking home.

Now the point that I argued was if the players had to give back 15 percent of their salaries each year so the escalator would kick in to increase the cap, shouldn't the NHL then use those numbers for each player against each team's cap. I thought it was a simple question - with a very simple answer, but instead I received a very lengthy answer that amounted to nothing more than "it's complicated".

No intent for sympathy, but if you were said player, you would want to be paid fairly, with the escalator taken into account.

And, from someone that works in the Hawks front office, Bowman negotiated full well knowing that the cap numbers for Kane, Toews and Seabrook would be very different from what each player would actually be taking home.

Now the point that I argued was if the players had to give back 15 percent of their salaries each year so the escalator would kick in to increase the cap, shouldn't the NHL then use those numbers for each player against each team's cap. I thought it was a simple question - with a very simple answer, but instead I received a very lengthy answer that amounted to nothing more than "it's complicated".
- dahawks8819

https://www.facebook.com/...videos/10155207783652466/

The next time I see Toews make anything close to a move like this will be the first time since 2015. That's #27 on the year for Kopitar. Bergeron is having an MVP type season for Boston, too. Toews, Bergeron and Kopitar were the best 2-way Centers in the NHL for years. Why is it that Toews is the only one who isn't anymore? That's the 10.5 million dollar question. Until that question is answered or resolved, this team will be a playoff bubble team at best.

Moving those pick for Brady Tkachuk would just make a made decision even worse. He isn't a player you trade up to get. Zadina/Svechnikov are those types of players.

Dahlin is needed by every team in the league.
- TTtime

Fixed