Jared Crozier: Sens lose to Flyers, Karlsson deal appears likely sooner than later

I would guess it happens in the summer - but man, to think there's only 25 hours left until the deadline, its crazy

Sens fans.... Can Oduya still play? 'Cause Hunwick can't. We'd like our Cole back. Ty.

House cleaning!

Pierre LeBrun
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Ottawa has placed Alex Burrows on waivers as well as Johnny Oduya

House cleaning!

Pierre LeBrun
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Ottawa has placed Alex Burrows on waivers as well as Johnny Oduya
- BoutchBouchard

If someone picks up burrows that would be AMAZING

My summary of 017/018 season,and it cant end soon enough...or can it?
The fans have beem under pressure since game 1 . From the media and management and ownership.It all started when a sports hack announced before game 1 that Turris will be traded instead of speaking of anything good about the team. Next and ongoing it was time for ownership and management to constantly be putting out flippant stupid comments for the nest 3 months and just adding to the pressure of the whole situation. Giving every hack an excuse to make sensational headlines .Especially during a a season that was not going so well on the ice .This was very amatuer of ownership and management .They did themselves no favors what so ever. Now finally at a complete breaking point the fans have been sucked up into the craziness of it all .The fans have been vicitimized this year and its unforgivable
I firmly put the blame on ownership,management and the vulture culture of the media to the debacle of this season.
Im done with the nhl this season...see ya next year

It's getting tiresome to hear all of the bellyaching and double-talk going on with the fanbase. Seriously, the same article states openly that signing Karlsson long-term could be a major risk, yet at no point is the owner branded as anything but a catastrophe for not just handing over $12M/yr. People act like there's already some kind of doomsday fire sale going on, yet the only moves the team has actually made have been pretty much exactly what everyone knew would have to happen in order to afford re-signing the team's best players. Even the assumption that Karlsson necessarily ever wanted to stay is presumptuous to say the least, yet it's seemingly rarely considered.

Meanwhile, I keep hearing about all of this cheapness, yet who stopped the GM from signing Ryan to a massive extension ($7.2M/yr)? How about bringing in Phaneuf ($7.0M/yr)? Trading for Brassard ($5.0M/yr) and Duchene ($6.0M/yr)? Re-signing Hoffman ($5.2M/yr), Anderson ($4.8M/yr), Pageau ($3.1M)/yr), Smith ($3.2M/yr), or Methot ($4.9M/yr)? Every single one of those moves involved major increases in spending and missed opportunities to trade those players away for trade deadline return, and quite frankly the team might have been better off had someone actually intervened and said they weren't going to financially support some of those moves.

I'm certainly not a fan of Melnyk, but an awful lot of people need to settle down and get a grip.

Is Duchene gonna go?

If someone picks up burrows that would be AMAZING
- sensarmy_11

agreed

Is Duchene gonna go?
- jcragcrumple

He wanted out of Colorado because of rebuilds retools and missing the playoffs. Hard to see him not walking away from this mess.

Is Duchene gonna go?
- jcragcrumple

That's less clear, especially given the extent to which Duchene has started to find chemistry and produce solid offensive numbers. He's also emerging along with Stone as a new leadership class on the team, and with the Brassard trade it gives him a chance to be the unquestioned #1C on the team. The Brassard trade also suggests a level of confidence in their ability to sign him to a long-term extension this summer... though most likely with NMC assurances.

That's less clear, especially given the extent to which Duchene has started to find chemistry and produce solid offensive numbers. He's also emerging along with Stone as a new leadership class on the team, and with the Brassard trade it gives him a chance to be the unquestioned #1C on the team. The Brassard trade also suggests a level of confidence in their ability to sign him to a long-term extension this summer... though most likely with NMC assurances.
- khawk

duchene made it clear he wants to play in the playoffs while in his limited prime years. hard to believe hell sign on for a rebuild just to play with his current line mates.

So right after the playoffs last year, the Sens should have made this move:

To Avs: Bobby Ryan [5.8m] Colin White, Alex Burrows, Shane Bowers, Cody Ceci, 2018 1st [top 10 protected], 2019 2nd

To Sens: Matt Duchene

Hoffman [5.2] Turris [3.5] Duchene [6]
Dzingel [1.8] Brassard [3.5] Stone [3.5]
Kunitz [2.2] Pageau [3.1] Pyatt [1.1]
rotate AHLer [0.7] Thompson [1.6] Wingels [0.8]

Methot [4.9] Karlsson [6.5]
Phaneuf [7] Chabot [0.9]
Borowiecki [1.1] Wideman [1]

Anderson [4.75]
Condon [2.2]

Then this summer traded Phanuef out to LA. Then traded Methot if needed and have Chabot play left side OR sign / trade.

The Sens have lost Methot FOR NOTHING. Lost Phanuef for Nick Shore; and now what will they get for Karlsson. I mean out of all their top 4 from last year their keeping Ceci for christs' sake !!

duchene made it clear he wants to play in the playoffs while in his limited prime years. hard to believe hell sign on for a rebuild just to play with his current line mates.
- systemtool

Duchene made the playoffs in Colorado just 2 times in 8 seasons there, and never made it past the 2nd round even in their short-lived success with Patrick Roy as coach. Even though that wasn't the greatest stretch for Ottawa, they still made it the playoffs 5 times in those same 8 years, including appearances in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And for those with short memories, that stretch includes the 2010 "rebuild", the loss of Alfredsson, the trading of Spezza, and multiple coaching changes. No team is guaranteed a playoff spot or is precluded from having rough patches... but some teams just don't have a track record of being competitive, and Ottawa's track record is actually better than many will admit for a small market franchise.

Duchene has also openly stated that he enjoys playing in a Canadian market closer to where he grew up, and was thankful to be able to start a new chapter in his career. You can't just latch on to a single sound bite and pretend that's the final word on the matter... particularly for a player who just went through more than a year of very public trade uncertainty.

So right after the playoffs last year, the Sens should have made this move:
- AlfieisKing

So what exactly would you have done when Sakic told you to stuff your deal, because he didn't want to take either Ryan or Burrows, and modify his team's expansion draft plans? Or is that not possible in your alternate reality, where GM's just do whatever happens to be convenient for you?

It's one thing to have opinions and discussions about what might be an interesting trade idea... it's quite another to just assume these ideas were realistically possible, to the extent of using it as the foundation of criticizing actual events.

So right after the playoffs last year, the Sens should have made this move:

To Avs: Bobby Ryan
- AlfieisKing[5.8m] Colin White, Alex Burrows, Shane Bowers, Cody Ceci, 2018 1st [top 10 protected], 2019 2nd

To Sens: Matt Duchene

Hoffman [5.2] Turris [3.5] Duchene [6]
Dzingel [1.8] Brassard [3.5] Stone [3.5]
Kunitz [2.2] Pageau [3.1] Pyatt [1.1]
rotate AHLer [0.7] Thompson [1.6] Wingels [0.8]

Methot [4.9] Karlsson [6.5]
Phaneuf [7] Chabot [0.9]
Borowiecki [1.1] Wideman [1]

Anderson [4.75]
Condon [2.2]

Then this summer traded Phanuef out to LA. Then traded Methot if needed and have Chabot play left side OR sign / trade.

The Sens have lost Methot FOR NOTHING. Lost Phanuef for Nick Shore; and now what will they get for Karlsson. I mean out of all their top 4 from last year their keeping Ceci for christs' sake !!

that's a TERRIBLE deal for colorado. ryan and burrows add negative value to a deal

Duchene made the playoffs in Colorado just 2 times in 8 seasons there, and never made it past the 2nd round even in their short-lived success with Patrick Roy as coach. Even though that wasn't the greatest stretch for Ottawa, they still made it the playoffs 5 times in those same 8 years, including appearances in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And for those with short memories, that stretch includes the 2010 "rebuild", the loss of Alfredsson, the trading of Spezza, and multiple coaching changes. No team is guaranteed a playoff spot or is precluded from having rough patches... but some teams just don't have a track record of being competitive, and Ottawa's track record is actually better than many will admit for a small market franchise.

Duchene has also openly stated that he enjoys playing in a Canadian market closer to where he grew up, and was thankful to be able to start a new chapter in his career. You can't just latch on to a single sound bite and pretend that's the final word on the matter... particularly for a player who just went through more than a year of very public trade uncertainty.
- khawk

youre being silly now. he was talking about his decisions and his career. its not just a sound bite. its something thats already happened in the past and why wouldnt he go free agency, test the market and play for a competing team? he owes ottawa nothing and a rebuild retool isnt the most desirable situation.

youre being silly now. he was talking about his decisions and his career. its not just a sound bite. its something thats already happened in the past and why wouldnt he go free agency, test the market and play for a competing team? he owes ottawa nothing and a rebuild retool isnt the most desirable situation.
- systemtool

if ottawa gets Dahlin, and a bunch of top NHL ready/close to ready assets for karlsson, it could be a pretty quick re-tool. ottawa obviously isn't a good team right now, but there is a lot of young talent in that organization.

if, and i mean a BIG if, dorion plays this right....ottawa could be a good team again fairly quickly. i know a few "if's" have to happen, but i expect that ottawa will have a very good chance at Dahlin this summer, and if htey get him that changes a lot.

we have stone, duchene, hoffman who are solid top six players......we have dzingel and pageau who are very good bottom six guys. we have chabot and claessen who are very good young dmen. we have white, brown, chaplik, fermenton, etc who are very good prospects and damn near NHL ready.

if you add a good pick this draft plus whatever we get for karlsson....that's a pretty good young core to build from. we've also gotten rid of, or are in the process of getting rid of a lot of teh old dead weight on the team. i'm not saying that they'll be contenders next year, but i don't think we're in for 10 years of pain here.

i think the biggest hurdle will be goaltending......and the (frank)ing owner

youre being silly now. he was talking about his decisions and his career. its not just a sound bite. its something thats already happened in the past and why wouldnt he go free agency, test the market and play for a competing team? he owes ottawa nothing and a rebuild retool isnt the most desirable situation.
- systemtool

It actually is just a sound bite, among many others. What's silly is presuming that you understand the full range of personal motivations for a hockey player who doesn't even play for the team you're a fan of. I'm not saying he might not sign long-term, but it's way too early to suggest that the decision has already been made.

Is Duchene gonna go?
- jcragcrumple

They interviewed him on the team 1200 last night and he was very clear that he wants to stay here and be part of the solution. They also asked about him wanting to get out of a rebuild with the Avs and there being a rebuild here.

He said that there were a lot more reasons for wanting out the Colorado and again said he wants to stay here and is really happy with the chemistry he has with Hoffman.

Sounds to me like if Hoffman is gone, he's gone too

Sens fans.... Can Oduya still play? 'Cause Hunwick can't. We'd like our Cole back. Ty.
- madmike71

i'll give you Oduya and Cole for Letang but you gotta retain some salary lol

They interviewed him on the team 1200 last night and he was very clear that he wants to stay here and be part of the solution. They also asked about him wanting to get out of a rebuild with the Avs and there being a rebuild here.

He said that there were a lot more reasons for wanting out the Colorado and again said he wants to stay here and is really happy with the chemistry he has with Hoffman.

Sounds to me like if Hoffman is gone, he's gone too
- Maverick1818

Interesting. He seems like he's young enough to be part of the solution. I just wasn't sure to what extent Melnyk wanted to burn it down

Interesting. He seems like he's young enough to be part of the solution. I just wasn't sure to what extent Melnyk wanted to burn it down
- jcragcrumple

i have zero doubt that if melnyk could ice an entire roster of 7th rd picks on ELCs he would do it. i doubt ottawa will be much above the cap floor next season

you completely contradict yourself throughout this entire post. Can't believe Karlsson is leaving / trading him instead of max contract is the right decision. Bryan Murray was awesome / Management has been terrible for 10 years....

Karlsson last day as a Sen?