Bob Duff: All We Are Saying Is Give Pete A Chance Posting shutouts in his last two starts, Detroit Red Wings back-up goalie Petr Mrazek deserves a chance to get on a roll.

all i'm saying is give BOB a chance

Bob Duff: All We Are Saying Is Give Pete A Chance
Posting shutouts in his last two starts, Detroit Red Wings back-up goalie Petr Mrazek deserves a chance to get on a roll.
- BobDuff

Well said, Bob!

#FreePetr #DownWithVowels

He's had his chance, multiple times. No interest in a goalie that will play good for a week or two and then suck for the next few months. Mrazek is terribly inconsistent, in the rare occasion that he is on his game, he's brilliant. 90% of the other games he overplays every shot and puts himself way out of position and his rebound control is miserable. He is not an NHL tier starting goaltender.

Who the heck knew that David Booth was still in the league?

Who the heck knew that David Booth was still in the league?
- Beatle_john

I mean, he's not so much "still" in the league as he is "back after two years in Siberia."

Having said that, he's actually been ... surprisingly not terrible? I know this says more about how awful the Red Wings are than about Booth per se, but I'm confident he's a much better overall hockey player than Luke Glendening and at least better offensively than, say, Helm or Abdelkader.

The fact that he doesn't play center works against him in lineup decisions, obviously, but I feel like he deserves more than seven minutes when he actually gets to play. And I also don't get why he's the one who gets waived periodically instead of Witkowski, who makes more money and is completely useless.

I mean, he's not so much "still" in the league as he is "back after two years in Siberia."

Having said that, he's actually been ... surprisingly not terrible? I know this says more about how awful the Red Wings are than about Booth per se, but I'm confident he's a much better overall hockey player than Luke Glendening and at least better offensively than, say, Helm or Abdelkader.

The fact that he doesn't play center works against him in lineup decisions, obviously, but I feel like he deserves more than seven minutes when he actually gets to play. And I also don't get why he's the one who gets waived periodically instead of Witkowski, who makes more money and is completely useless.
- Sven22

I would be totally fine if they sat Glendening (hands of stone... except for empty-net goals). I think Booth can contribute offensively when given some decent ice time.

Am i the only one that is confused with what Ken Holland is doing with this team?
Seems like he's trying to retool rather than rebuild.
Frustrating since this is just going to delay the process.

I also hope he makes the necessary moves at the trade deadline.
although i like some of the players, i would like to see Green, Helm, Abdelkader, Howard, Booth (if you there is interest).

Then if the offer is right, Kronwall (if there is even any interest in him), DeKeyser and Zetterberg (this one breaks my heart and would feel like Stevie retiring all over again).

This is just my opinion what they should do. Curious what others think as well.

Am i the only one that is confused with what Ken Holland is doing with this team?
Seems like he's trying to retool rather than rebuild.
Frustrating since this is just going to delay the process.

I also hope he makes the necessary moves at the trade deadline.
although i like some of the players, i would like to see Green, Helm, Abdelkader, Howard, Booth (if you there is interest).

Then if the offer is right, Kronwall (if there is even any interest in him), DeKeyser and Zetterberg (this one breaks my heart and would feel like Stevie retiring all over again).

This is just my opinion what they should do. Curious what others think as well.
- Cpt.Goodsh

Fire Holland and Blashill. Trade Green, Mrazek, Booth, Abdelkader, Nyquist, and Wittkowski. Ban Duff from writing about the Wings. All problems solved for an enjoyable

Fire Holland and Blashill. Trade Green, Mrazek, Booth, Abdelkader, Nyquist, and Wittkowski. Ban Duff from writing about the Wings. All problems solved for an enjoyable
- RafiDRW

I personally would rather trade Howard and keep Mrazek. Mainly because I feel we would get more value in return for Howard and Mrazek still has some upside.

But i agree with the rest of your list...including Duff.

I personally would rather trade Howard and keep Mrazek. Mainly because I feel we would get more value in return for Howard and Mrazek still has some upside.

But i agree with the rest of your list...including Duff.
- Cpt.Goodsh

I could be happy without Howard being traded instead. Might help with the tank overall if you forget Pete’s two shutouts 2 and 3 games who.

I could be happy without Howard being traded instead. Might help with the tank overall if you forget Pete’s two shutouts 2 and 3 games who.
- RafiDRW

That's why I see it as a win-win situation.
Trade Jimmy, get higher value in return. Gives Petr the chance to regain his confidence and a legit chance at proving himself. Worst case scenario, he helps us fall to the basement and increase our chances of landing Dahlin. #FallinForDahlin

Am i the only one that is confused with what Ken Holland is doing with this team?
Seems like he's trying to retool rather than rebuild.
Frustrating since this is just going to delay the process.

I also hope he makes the necessary moves at the trade deadline.
although i like some of the players, i would like to see Green, Helm, Abdelkader, Howard, Booth (if you there is interest).

Then if the offer is right, Kronwall (if there is even any interest in him), DeKeyser and Zetterberg (this one breaks my heart and would feel like Stevie retiring all over again).

This is just my opinion what they should do. Curious what others think as well.
- Cpt.Goodsh

Trading Green is a given. I agree with Helm, Abs, Howard. Booth was just waived, doubt he actually is traded/has value when teams could have had him for free. I would add Glendening, Nyquist and Nielsen to the list and would consider Tatar depending on deal. The entire blue line should be on the list.

My take on Zetterberg is he only moves if he asks.

Trading Green is a given. I agree with Helm, Abs, Howard. Booth was just waived, doubt he actually is traded/has value when teams could have had him for free. I would add Glendening, Nyquist and Nielsen to the list and would consider Tatar depending on deal. The entire blue line should be on the list.

My take on Zetterberg is he only moves if he asks.
- Bren4Wings

Yep... this pretty much sums it up for me too. Most of those contracts are just horrid... so we can't move the mediocre / crappy players. I think Zetterberg will just retire early... I don't see him asking for a trade. He'll do the exact same thing Datsyuk did.

Am i the only one that is confused with what Ken Holland is doing with this team?
Seems like he's trying to retool rather than rebuild.
Frustrating since this is just going to delay the process.

I also hope he makes the necessary moves at the trade deadline.
although i like some of the players, i would like to see Green, Helm, Abdelkader, Howard, Booth (if you there is interest).

Then if the offer is right, Kronwall (if there is even any interest in him), DeKeyser and Zetterberg (this one breaks my heart and would feel like Stevie retiring all over again).

This is just my opinion what they should do. Curious what others think as well.
- Cpt.Goodsh

Who in their right mind would trade for Helm or Abdelkader with those awful contracts? Same goes for Kronwall and DK.

Let's face it, Holland signed several nightmare contracts that will be nearly impossible to ship out.

Not to overstate the obvious, but the reason that Nielsen, Abdelkader, Helm, Glendening, and DeKeyser are all untradeable isn't just the money they're owed but the term remaining. None of those deals end sooner than 2021. A contender needing a bottom-six center who can kill penalties might be willing to take on, say, Darren Helm at $3.85 million if they only had to pay that rate for a year and a half. But three years after this one? Forget it.

Because those are all negative-value deals (i.e., the average team would rather have the cap space than the player at that price and term; all would easily clear waivers if placed there), it doesn't even make much sense to trade them right now anyway. The Wings would have to sweeten the pot by eating salary and/or including additional picks or prospects just to get their side of the deal up to "bag of pucks" level. The Wings are going to be bad for at least the next couple of years anyway, so might as well click those contracts forward another year and see if they get more nibbles with less term left.

Green is obviously the most valuable veteran asset and I would expect him to be moved. I think they should try hard to move one of the two goalies, but that's a tough market for sellers -- either you catch a desperate team at just the right time, or you're forced to take pennies on the dollar. And I'd be open to making a riskier move with young talent if it got young talent in return -- like, say, putting AA in a package for Trouba -- but honestly who thinks Ken Holland has the guts or chops to pull something like that off?

Other than that I don't think the Wings have much that other teams would legitimately want. Among the vets Nike, Tatar, Daley and maybe even Ericsson could be movable, and there's probably at least one other team out there willing to take a cheap defender like Jensen or XO. But none of those guys are going to get you anything all that useful back right now, unless they're packaged with a guy like AA or Mantha. In better times Nike or Tatar might get you something, but with a couple of consecutive disappointing campaigns their stock is probably about as low as it'll get.

Our GM has put us in quite a hole.

Yep... this pretty much sums it up for me too. Most of those contracts are just horrid... so we can't move the mediocre / crappy players. I think Zetterberg will just retire early... I don't see him asking for a trade. He'll do the exact same thing Datsyuk did.
- Vladdie_Kon1

The “horrible” that stand out to me at this point=Abs, Helm, Nielsen, DD and Ericsson.

*Looking at the situation realistically*

I think Nyquist is the one that should be put on a hook and see what offers are made. He would not be a rental with 1 yr left on his current contract, cap hit under 5 mil and you know he’ll put up at least 40-50 pts.

I think Tatar should be put out there as well.

The 3 options of Green, Nyquist and Tatar are the ones who will bring in something worthwhile to help build.

I don’t know a realistic return, but I do believe Glendening can be moved easier than most think ( a pk’er, face off, defensive type going into the playoffs with a cap hit of 1.8...). Not saying he will get some huge return, but with having Turgeon get a look, he can fill that role younger and cheaper.

Any way to clear $$ and term off the books is a + when you consider Larkin, Mantha, AA, Frk, and Bert are all RFA’s this summer.

This team is not a move or two away from being contenders. Time to focus on becoming one, rather than the goal being “just try to make the playoffs”.

My vote is for a full on tank. These points they are picking up are..

I don’t know a realistic return, but I do believe Glendening can be moved easier than most think ( a pk’er, face off, defensive type going into the playoffs with a cap hit of 1.8...). Not saying he will get some huge return, but with having Turgeon get a look, he can fill that role younger and cheaper.
- Bren4Wings

There is no reason in the NHL today to pay a 28-year-old grinder of Luke Glendening's caliber $1.8 million per year for the next three years and change.

Players with NHL experience that can do Glendening's job equally well or better, and for less, end up on waivers all the time. And they usually clear because most teams don't need one, or already have one playing for their minor league affiliate that they can call up (or sign, if they're on an AHL contract) at any time.

Even if you have an organizational need for a fourth line defensive center, why buy one -- with an unburiable cap hit through 2021, no less -- when you can get one for free with minimal effort, then discard him easily when something better comes along?