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Carol Schram
Joined: 09.27.2013

Dec 11 @ 2:16 PM ET
Carol Schram: Sven Baertschi has fractured jaw, Vancouver Canucks face slumping Jets The Vancouver Canucks learned that they will be without Sven Baertschi for the next four to six weeks as they prepare to face the Winnipeg Jets—winless in their last three but still strong at home at MTS Centre.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 11 @ 2:23 PM ET
Carol Schram: Sven Baertschi has fractured jaw, Vancouver Canucks face slumping Jets
The Vancouver Canucks learned that they will be without Sven Baertschi for the next four to six weeks as they prepare to face the Winnipeg Jets—winless in their last three but still strong at home at MTS Centre.

- Carol Schram

thanks Carol.

Any names to replace Trevor?
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 11 @ 2:31 PM ET
Thanks Carol,

What would make you think a new GM may be hired? My understanding was FA was currently negotiating with JB?
cj73
St Louis Blues
Location: What the Ek am I still doing on this website, ON
Joined: 09.18.2017

Dec 11 @ 2:31 PM ET
I hope they hold on to Benning, he's done a good job drafting and trading recently, would rather have him than Holland or even Fletcher tbh
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Dec 11 @ 2:33 PM ET
Ty Carol


There is nobody worthwhile to replace JB.
Stability is needed most.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 11 @ 2:33 PM ET
Thanks Carol,

What would make you think a new GM may be hired? My understanding was FA was currently negotiating with JB?

- VanHockeyGuy



I think the longer it goes the less likely to be re-signed. TDL is approaching and a lame duck GM at that time of the year is not effective
Carol Schram
Joined: 09.27.2013

Dec 11 @ 2:33 PM ET
Thanks Carol,

What would make you think a new GM may be hired? My understanding was FA was currently negotiating with JB?

- VanHockeyGuy


Yes, that's the official word. But until the deal is signed and delivered, anything's possible.

I wonder if the possible opportunity to bring in an experienced name from that list might be tempting to ownership?
Healthy-Scratch
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 11.24.2016

Dec 11 @ 2:34 PM ET
Thanks Carol, awesome as always!.

I agree, I don't see any reason to do a major upheaval. There are some fans that are very vocal opponents to Benning, but the long-term trajectory of the club is moving in the right direction. Most GM's are generally not liked, comes with the territory.

I see an extension coming soon.
cj73
St Louis Blues
Location: What the Ek am I still doing on this website, ON
Joined: 09.18.2017

Dec 11 @ 2:37 PM ET
Yes, that's the official word. But until the deal is signed and delivered, anything's possible.

I wonder if the possible opportunity to bring in an experienced name from that list might be tempting to ownership?

- Carol Schram

They're probably waiting to see if Armstrong and Lou get resigned because Armstong's looking good after that Schenn deal and Lou is Lou.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Dec 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
Thanks Carol
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 11 @ 2:40 PM ET
Yes, that's the official word. But until the deal is signed and delivered, anything's possible.

I wonder if the possible opportunity to bring in an experienced name from that list might be tempting to ownership?

- Carol Schram


For the most part i'm happy with JB, but is he the type of GM they need in the next 2+ years when we are supposedly coming out of our rebuild?
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Dec 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
Thanks Carol!

I think if owners have done their due diligence, then a GM should have 6 years with a franchise to be given a fair opportunity. A team can get a new voice with a new coach and see things change quickly; but a GM changes the direction of the franchise and patience is needed before seeing it come to fruition. There is the stability aspect, but I also think that if you did your job at the beginning establishing a plan, then you need to see it through before deciding on changes
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
I will say this but keep in mind I am not anti Benning.

I don't believe he should be rehired.

3 finishes in 4 years in bottom 10

Utica is a mess,

No top 2 Dman brought in

No top 3 Forward brought in , has not found replacement for the twins

Bad UFA signings Gagner Loui

Too honest and nice guy for the job

Too close to the players.

Cap management not so good.

Positives Brock , this years draft , goaltending, Sven Granlund SutterGaudette


This is my opinion only . I am not on a crusade to get rid of him but if Uncle Lou or Armstrong is available then I would look at taking one on
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 11 @ 2:59 PM ET
I will say this but keep in mind I am not anti Benning.

I don't believe he should be rehired.

3 finishes in 4 years in bottom 10

Utica is a mess,

No top 2 Dman brought in

No top 3 Forward brought in , has not found replacement for the twins

Bad UFA signings Gagner Loui

Too honest and nice guy for the job

Too close to the players.

Cap management not so good.

Positives Brock , this years draft , goaltending, Sven Granlund SutterGaudette


This is my opinion only . I am not on a crusade to get rid of him but if Uncle Lou or Armstrong is available then I would look at taking one on

- VANTEL

To Quote Lefty,


Rome wasn't built in a day
Healthy-Scratch
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 11.24.2016

Dec 11 @ 3:00 PM ET
I will say this but keep in mind I am not anti Benning.

I don't believe he should be rehired.

3 finishes in 4 years in bottom 10

Utica is a mess,

No top 2 Dman brought in

No top 3 Forward brought in , has not found replacement for the twins

Bad UFA signings Gagner Loui

Too honest and nice guy for the job

Too close to the players.

Cap management not so good.

Positives Brock , this years draft , goaltending, Sven Granlund SutterGaudette


This is my opinion only . I am not on a crusade to get rid of him but if Uncle Lou or Armstrong is available then I would look at taking one on

- VANTEL


Always enjoy your comments Vantel. Will say that every team wants 1/2 pairing defencemen, they just aren't that readily available. As for the Sedin's replacement, Petterssen may be that guy and Boeser will definitely be in that top line in the future. If you try to get a Sedin's replacement in the line-up immediately, you end up overpaying for a guy like Louis Ericksson. You have to draft the top players.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
If we made a move at GM, i'd go with Doug Armstrong.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 11 @ 3:06 PM ET
To Quote Lefty,
- manvanfan


Easy thing to say to justify things . Take a look at Columbus two years ago who finished below Canucks . Look where they are today compared to us. Same as NJ. That is the difference when you have experienced GMs and Presidents.

You can take the slow boat to China or you can get some one experienced to speed things up. Toronto is another organization that leap frogged up the standings and continued winning even with Matthews out of the line up
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Dec 11 @ 3:07 PM ET
Thanks Schramsey


if they aren’t going to sign JB to an extension then they should fire him now and finish out the year with an ‘interim’ manager for the day to day, and no player movement (or all the player movement). Business can’t afford to have the wrong people leading it, and if ownership doesn’t have confidence in the current group the next there’s is no time like the present to make that change.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Dec 11 @ 3:09 PM ET
For the most part i'm happy with JB, but is he the type of GM they need in the next 2+ years when we are supposedly coming out of our rebuild?
- VanHockeyGuy


Rebuild starts when the Sedins retire...
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 11 @ 3:11 PM ET
Always enjoy your comments Vantel. Will say that every team wants 1/2 pairing defencemen, they just aren't that readily available. As for the Sedin's replacement, Petterssen may be that guy and Boeser will definitely be in that top line in the future. If you try to get a Sedin's replacement in the line-up immediately, you end up overpaying for a guy like Louis Ericksson. You have to draft the top players.
- Healthy-Scratch


I agree about your comments .

Would Canucks fans feel further along the rebuild if we had Tryamkin and Segachev instead of OJ and Stecher? I know Tryamkin is a weird issue but the end results are we have Stecher and are still waiting for OJ as the fan base rips into Edlers play.

It still all comes down to end results. IMO
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 11 @ 3:13 PM ET
Thanks Schramsey


if they aren’t going to sign JB to an extension then they should fire him now and finish out the year with an ‘interim’ manager for the day to day, and no player movement (or all the player movement). Business can’t afford to have the wrong people leading it, and if ownership doesn’t have confidence in the current group the next there’s is no time like the present to make that change.

- 1970vintage



I agree Vints ownership needs to make a decision
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 11 @ 3:17 PM ET
I agree Vints ownership needs to make a decision
- VANTEL


Why not. We can always use a bit of drama here right?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 11 @ 3:19 PM ET
Why not. We can always use a bit of drama here right?
- VanHockeyGuy

Here
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Dec 11 @ 3:20 PM ET
I will say this but keep in mind I am not anti Benning.

I don't believe he should be rehired.

- VANTEL


My comments in bold

3 finishes in 4 years in bottom 10
Look at what he inherited... ill give him a pass on this one

Utica is a mess,
draft plus two is when players get to Utica, our to prospects are in Europe or university, next year should be better as looking as they don't go straight to the NHL.

No top 2 Dman brought in
No top two defencemen have hit free agency, who should be have sold the farm for?

No top 3 Forward brought in , has not found replacement for the twins
Bo, Brock and baertchi have displaced them, add Peterson and it will look better.

Bad UFA signings Gagner Loui
Louie is earning his contract this year, MDZ looks good, I'll give you Gagner but every team has these.

Too honest and nice guy for the job
Lol.... really

Too close to the players.
You talking about Trevor?

Cap management not so good.
uhmmm.... hasn't hurt us yet

Positives Brock , this years draft , goaltending, Sven Granlund SutterGaudette
Disagree

This is my opinion only . I am not on a crusade to get rid of him but if Uncle Lou or Armstrong is available then I would look at taking one on

I'd give him a three year contract, can him after two of it doesn't look good
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Dec 11 @ 3:21 PM ET
Easy thing to say to justify things . Take a look at Columbus two years ago who finished below Canucks . Look where they are today compared to us. Same as NJ. That is the difference when you have experienced GMs and Presidents.

You can take the slow boat to China or you can get some one experienced to speed things up. Toronto is another organization that leap frogged up the standings and continued winning even with Matthews out of the line up

- VANTEL


All these teams you mention are not parallels for Vancouver. Neither Toronto nor Columbus were challenging for a Stanley Cup a few years ago. They have been “rebuilding” for a decade. The Devils are not a bad comparaison, having lost in the finals to the Kings the year after the Canucks, and they have done a great job of “rebuilding on the fly”. Turning Horvat into Schneider and Larsson into Hall sure helps.
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