Jared Crozier: Game Day: Ottawa @ LA - An opportunity to wash off the stink

I don't think you can wash this off Jared.

Awful management undoing the good Murray did.
Awful ownership
Poor, poor team that absolutely have to play Boucher's system to a tee to remain competitive.
Coach has lost the room

I don't think you can wash this off Jared.

Awful management undoing the good Murray did.
Awful ownership
Poor, poor team that absolutely have to play Boucher's system to a tee to remain competitive.
Coach has lost the room
- walshyleafsfan

delete the sens

“Signs of life” from their best players is not good enough anymore, these guys have to start putting up actual points on the board.

I know it hasn’t even been 20 games but I am not in love with Duchene. I disagreed with you when the trade was made Jared, and thought he was going to be a difference maker. Hurts even more seeing Turris fit in so well with the preds while Duchene flounders in “our system”

delete the sens
- Tumbleweed

If we did that, there'd be a lot of players who would drop out of the league. They're like a project team for guys who have lost it

Pyatt, Ryan, Phaneuf, Oduya, MacArthur, Thompson, Kostka, Chiasson, Legwand, Hemsky, Kelly, Stalberg, Wingels, Burrows etc.

Just about everything is wrong right now, death by a thousand cuts. And I hope they don't change a damn thing, not yet. Ride this all the way to the end of the season, and then blow it up, starting with PD and GB.

Time to make some lemonade.

If we did that, there'd be a lot of players who would drop out of the league. They're like a project team for guys who have lost it

Pyatt, Ryan, Phaneuf, Oduya, MacArthur, Thompson, Kostka, Chiasson, Legwand, Hemsky, Kelly, Stalberg, Wingels, Burrows etc.
- walshyleafsfan

I'm in agreement with most, with the exceptions of those bolded above. Pyatt's decent, as was Stalberg. MacArthur especially though, he was great for us when healthy - can't predict injuries.

Phaneuf's okay in limited use on the second pairing, even though the contract's horrible. Can't say the same for Ryan, declining player with no fingers left AND a horrible contract.

All points to bad decisions by the front office.

I'm in agreement with most, with the exceptions of those bolded above. Pyatt's decent, as was Stalberg. MacArthur especially though, he was great for us when healthy - can't predict injuries.

Phaneuf's okay in limited use on the second pairing, even though the contract's horrible. Can't say the same for Ryan, declining player with no fingers left AND a horrible contract.

All points to bad decisions by the front office.
- sportsdataguy

Phaneuf and Ryan kills the chance to sign Karlsonn

Can't have 14 million tied up to these guys in a few years....can't have that much money into them right now either

Wow, how quickly they fall: from 3rd place at the end of last year to 3rd last at this juncture. Yeah I stayed up until 1am to watch the game - I'm sure many of you did. I keep thinking I'm going to see the real Sens show up and win. You know that game where something clicks and it turns the season around. Instead it was the same sad-sack, keystone cop fail. There was an effort, but they can't score or even get a presence near the net.

And they sat Claesson. Are you (frank)ing joking? Ceci and Oduya are more than enough to lose a game on any night. These guys were playing for the opposition most of the time and failed to clear or iced the puck every shift. I don't know what to do. I don't think I can watch any more.

I think it's time: I would say sandbag for a (protected, thank god) first pick, but they don't have to - just stay the course. Trade EK65 for 5-6 solid pieces and start the re-build around Stone, White, Brown and Chabot, etc. They can't afford EK65 anyway. Not without surrounding him with less than 2-mill kids. I envy Turris - he's gone to a real team that has a real chance. Go Nashville.

It seems to be a broken record in here about what is wrong with the team. Boucher’s system is broke, Duchene trade was a mistake, lack of leadership, goalies suck, etc, etc.

I don’t think there is a single answer. The team hasn’t looked right since game 1 of the season and now are just getting zero breaks to mask that.

Players look lost for the most part. That can fall into almost every reason that has been put forth to why the team is struggling. It’s one thing to just suck, but to not even score or generate quality chances is very concerning. Can’t remember the last time we had a 2 on 1 or decent looking offensive rush. Hard to make a move to wake people up on an extended road trip, but something has to give if results aren’t going to change. Otherwise, the season will be lost.

Wow, how quickly they fall: from 3rd place at the end of last year to 3rd last at this juncture. Yeah I stayed up until 1am to watch the game - I'm sure many of you did. I keep thinking I'm going to see the real Sens show up and win. You know that game where something clicks and it turns the season around. Instead it was the same sad-sack, keystone cop fail. There was an effort, but they can't score or even get a presence near the net.

And they sat Claesson. Are you (frank)ing joking? Ceci and Oduya are more than enough to lose a game on any night. These guys were playing for the opposition most of the time and failed to clear or iced the puck every shift. I don't know what to do. I don't think I can watch any more.

I think it's time: I would say sandbag for a (protected, thank god) first pick, but they don't have to - just stay the course. Trade EK65 for 5-6 solid pieces and start the re-build around Stone, White, Brown and Chabot, etc. They can't afford EK65 anyway. Not without surrounding him with less than 2-mill kids. I envy Turris - he's gone to a real team that has a real chance. Go Nashville.
- sgoodwin

Ditto.

It seems to be a broken record in here about what is wrong with the team. Boucher’s system is broke, Duchene trade was a mistake, lack of leadership, goalies suck, etc, etc.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

The trade made sense if Turris wasn't signing here. He's better on any other team. Obviously the 1st rounder stings, but we have at least a chance to get one back trading him now.

I don’t think there is a single answer. The team hasn’t looked right since game 1 of the season and now are just getting zero breaks to mask that.

Players look lost for the most part. That can fall into almost every reason that has been put forth to why the team is struggling. It’s one thing to just suck, but to not even score or generate quality chances is very concerning. Can’t remember the last time we had a 2 on 1 or decent looking offensive rush. Hard to make a move to wake people up on an extended road trip, but something has to give if results aren’t going to change. Otherwise, the season will be lost.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

5 wins out of the last wildcard, only 3 wins out of 3rd in the Atlantic, and 2/3 of the season yet to go - so otherwise it would seem possible. But this team is imploding, might as well acknowledge it and make lemonade.

Wow, how quickly they fall: from 3rd place at the end of last year to 3rd last at this juncture. Yeah I stayed up until 1am to watch the game - I'm sure many of you did. I keep thinking I'm going to see the real Sens show up and win. You know that game where something clicks and it turns the season around. Instead it was the same sad-sack, keystone cop fail. There was an effort, but they can't score or even get a presence near the net.

And they sat Claesson. Are you (frank)ing joking? Ceci and Oduya are more than enough to lose a game on any night. These guys were playing for the opposition most of the time and failed to clear or iced the puck every shift. I don't know what to do. I don't think I can watch any more.

I think it's time: I would say sandbag for a (protected, thank god) first pick, but they don't have to - just stay the course. Trade EK65 for 5-6 solid pieces and start the re-build around Stone, White, Brown and Chabot, etc. They can't afford EK65 anyway. Not without surrounding him with less than 2-mill kids. I envy Turris - he's gone to a real team that has a real chance. Go Nashville.
- sgoodwin

Always be weary of panic moves to tank when things are going badly. Trading Karlsson and building around Stone, White, Brown, and Chabot like you say is a very dangerous game. Stone is fine, but isn’t a superstar. I don’t know why people are obsessed with White. Brown could go either way. Chabot could very well be a superstar, but he has played like 5 NHL games. He could use a little more insulation time. This year’s draft is not particularly strong from what I have read.

Getting rid of star players never accomplishes anything positive. Other than trading Yashin, the Sens have never won a deal like that.

The focus should be trying to get this team back on track. Even though Turris and Methot (and Mac technically) are gone from last year, most of these players played well to get to one goal of going to the show.

“Signs of life” from their best players is not good enough anymore, these guys have to start putting up actual points on the board.

I know it hasn’t even been 20 games but I am not in love with Duchene. I disagreed with you when the trade was made Jared, and thought he was going to be a difference maker. Hurts even more seeing Turris fit in so well with the preds while Duchene flounders in “our system”
- Makesnosens

He was 6th in 5v5 Ice time last night...is that a common thing. Why trade for a guy if Boucher isnt going to be pushing him out there as one of your top forwards

Always be weary of panic moves to tank when things are going badly. Trading Karlsson and building around Stone, White, Brown, and Chabot like you say is a very dangerous game. Stone is fine, but isn’t a superstar. I don’t know why people are obsessed with White. Brown could go either way. Chabot could very well be a superstar, but he has played like 5 NHL games. He could use a little more insulation time. This year’s draft is not particularly strong from what I have read.

Getting rid of star players never accomplishes anything positive. Other than trading Yashin, the Sens have never won a deal like that.

The focus should be trying to get this team back on track. Even though Turris and Methot (and Mac technically) are gone from last year, most of these players played well to get to one goal of going to the show.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

So long as the goaltending is sub par this team is going no where.

Anderson was .922 in the playoffs last year.

.895 this year so far.

Wow, how quickly they fall: from 3rd place at the end of last year to 3rd last at this juncture. Yeah I stayed up until 1am to watch the game - I'm sure many of you did. I keep thinking I'm going to see the real Sens show up and win. You know that game where something clicks and it turns the season around. Instead it was the same sad-sack, keystone cop fail. There was an effort, but they can't score or even get a presence near the net.

And they sat Claesson. Are you (frank)ing joking? Ceci and Oduya are more than enough to lose a game on any night. These guys were playing for the opposition most of the time and failed to clear or iced the puck every shift. I don't know what to do. I don't think I can watch any more.

I think it's time: I would say sandbag for a (protected, thank god) first pick, but they don't have to - just stay the course. Trade EK65 for 5-6 solid pieces and start the re-build around Stone, White, Brown and Chabot, etc. They can't afford EK65 anyway. Not without surrounding him with less than 2-mill kids. I envy Turris - he's gone to a real team that has a real chance. Go Nashville.
- sgoodwin

So they trade for Duchene and then 10 games later blow it up and rebuild?

I'm not saying this is wrong, but seems like a weird strategy.

If they are a bottom 10 team this year, what are the odds they'll be better next year WITHOUT karlsson. Karlsson wont be traded until after the end of this season.

If they don't snap out of this skid, Team may need to make a difficult decision if they finish 8-10, keep the pick or not.

I don't think you can wash this off Jared.

Awful management undoing the good Murray did.
Awful ownership
Poor, poor team that absolutely have to play Boucher's system to a tee to remain competitive.
Coach has lost the room
- walshyleafsfan

Please elaborate??? Murray was an excellent drafter but his trades left alot to be desired. Unless you're referring specifically to Turris, his one good trade.

So they trade for Duchene and then 10 games later blow it up and rebuild?

I'm not saying this is wrong, but seems like a weird strategy.
- david22

I don't think it was a "strategy."

If they are a bottom 10 team this year, what are the odds they'll be better next year WITHOUT karlsson. Karlsson wont be traded until after the end of this season.

If they don't snap out of this skid, Team may need to make a difficult decision if they finish 8-10, keep the pick or not.
- david22

The question is also "which" Karlsson? Last year's or this year's? As we've been seeing, even he can't right this ship of disasters.

I don't think it was a "strategy."



The question is also "which" Karlsson? Last year's or this year's? As we've been seeing, even he can't right this ship of disasters.
- sportsdataguy

I really hope they don't send him to the all star game. Any extra rest is needed.


...he also doesn't deserve it. Stone's been a bigger part of this teams "success" so far this year.

Hey guys, can we switch captains?

A problem for another one

Please elaborate??? Murray was an excellent drafter but his trades left alot to be desired. Unless you're referring specifically to Turris, his one good trade.
- forbetterorWORSE

Elliot for Anderson was a good trade too.

Not sure you can place this all on Dorion, both GMs have a hand in this team at the moment.

Kinda weird talking like this considering how high we all were on this team 6 months ago.

Honestly don't get blaming Dutch here at all. Turris wasn't going to sign, so the trade made perfect sense. Dutch has been solid on faceoffs which allows Ottawa to have and control the puck. Last night it was attrocious puck control and sloppy passing and play that was killing them.

Honestly I look at the Coach here and his system. History on Boucher points to a one year wonderful turnaround for the team hiring him, followed by swift decline second year.

It's Boucher and his system clearly. Who in their right mind takes Duchene a skilled forward who can shoot, and passes well and parks him on screen duty in front of the net to get abused and try and get a garbage tap in goal??? That should be the job of Ryan, Burrows etc NOT Dutch. He should be cycling behind the net/half boards, opening up the opposition to get a shot through on net. Example the Kings don't put Kopitar in front of the net, they put Brown there. Just STUPID!

Why is Boucher letting EK stay out there all the time? He literally played with every damn defenceman, that is screwing pairings and match ups. EK is the best player, sure, but cut down the shifts, get off the damn ice and keep the matchups and stay rested a bit more.

There seems to be no damn structure at all, and not a whole hell of a lot of coaching going on at all there other than throw everything against the wall and hope something sticks and pans out.

The trade made sense if Turris wasn't signing here. He's better on any other team. Obviously the 1st rounder stings, but we have at least a chance to get one back trading him now.



5 wins out of the last wildcard, only 3 wins out of 3rd in the Atlantic, and 2/3 of the season yet to go - so otherwise it would seem possible. But this team is imploding, might as well acknowledge it and make lemonade.
- sportsdataguy

I was just listing reasons why people think we are struggling. I'd do the Duchene all day long. He's arguably been the best forward in the terrible run.

I was just listing reasons why people think we are struggling. I'd do the Duchene all day long. He's arguably been the best forward in the terrible run.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Agreed. Him or Stone. Dzingle was big against the islanders too.

I was just listing reasons why people think we are struggling. I'd do the Duchene all day long. He's arguably been the best forward in the terrible run.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

the mistake with the duchene trade is the same mistake the leafs made with the kessel trade.

bringing in a skilled forward to team with bad goaltending and bad defensemen doesn't help.