Todd Cordell: NHL Network underrates Taylor Hall in winger rankings

Much...Much higher.

that's insane.

No Shocker here! NHL Network never gives NJ any respect

OK, here's the news flash - Winning influences people's perceptions.

As for Hall vs. Oshie, fine. But Oshie put up 33 goals while Hall scored 20. With assists they are very close in total points the scoring is will get you more recognition. We're talking wingers, not centers.

I'm not saying Oshie is better then Hall. I'm just saying I'm not surprised that he'd get ranked higher.

No Shocker here! NHL Network never gives NJ any respect
- Devils65

The Oilers under rated Hall as well

Top 5 in the East IMO.

OK, here's the news flash - Winning influences people's perceptions.

As for Hall vs. Oshie, fine. But Oshie put up 33 goals while Hall scored 20. With assists they are very close in total points the scoring is will get you more recognition. We're talking wingers, not centers.

I'm not saying Oshie is better then Hall. I'm just saying I'm not surprised that he'd get ranked higher.
- Queenie_5_hole

Top 20 Wings in Goals over the last 5 years:

1 - Alex Ovechkin
2 - Patrick Kane
3 - Max Pacioretty
4 - Jamie Benn
5 - Vladimir Tarasenko
6 - Corey Perry
7 - Brad Marchand
8 - Wayne Simmonds
9 - Phil Kessel
10 - Jeff Skinner
11 - Rick Nash
T12 - James Neal
T12 - Blake Wheeler
14 - Zach Parise
15 - James van Riemsdyk
16 - Cam Atkinson
17 - Andrew Ladd
18 - Jarome Iginla
T19 - Marion Hossa
T19 - Nikita Kucherov


Same thing, but Points:

1 - Patrick Kane
2 - Jamie Benn
3 - Alex Ovechkin
4 - Blake Wheeler
5 - Phil Kessel
6 - Jakub Voracek
7 - Max Pacioretty
8 - Corey Perry
9 - Taylor Hall
10 - Vladimir Tarasenko
11 - Henrik Zetterberg
12 - Brad Marchand
13 - Daniel Sedin
14 - Jaromir Jagr
T15 - Alex Steen
T15 - Wayne Simmonds
17 - Kyle Okposo
18 - Zach Parise
19 - Thomas Vanek (!!!)
20 - T J Oshie

Surprised by how different these lists actually are. Also interesting that the "Points" list is a lot older than the "Goals" list for the most part.

Simmons is any absolute beast in the blue and underrated league wide. Oshie had an amazing year and has consistently been a hugh scoring 1sr line winger.
Hall had a pretty poor year on a bad team. This isn't a ranking of who had the best linemates. He underperformed so naturally he takes a hit.

They'll always take goal scoring over anything else. It is what it is.

I know I should be doing football mock drafts and getting ready for that.. but I'm so ready for fantasy hockey, staring at stats, games played, new lineups and linemates for players, mock drafts, pre-draft rankings.. etc etc etc. It's amazing how much of my life I've wasted on fantasy hockey, and will waste again. shameless.

... no I'm not post my yearly fantasy league spam just yet.. but prepare yourself. september is coming.

wonder if Kessel made this list when he was a Leaf...

I wouldn't worry about ranking systems...if Hall is underestimated on that list then NJ will be all the better for it. Not like Hall's just gonna start playing like poop because he got ranked 20th.

Oshie is ahead of him.

Guentzel should be ahead of kessel, so should sheary... so how the hell is hall behind him?

could someone sign Jagr already...

Simmons is any absolute beast in the blue and underrated league wide. Oshie had an amazing year and has consistently been a hugh scoring 1sr line winger.
Hall had a pretty poor year on a bad team. This isn't a ranking of who had the best linemates. He underperformed so naturally he takes a hit.
- halo63

Two straight seasons of 30+ goals and four straight with 25+. I don't give a poop what situations he gets them under, he gets them. He's also proven to be more durable than Hall while playing a more physical game. I'm not sure the argument can be made of "Give me Hall all day".

I get so sick of hearing people whine about Taylor Hall, the tragically underrated talent. "If only he had better linemates"....."if only he played for a less dysfunctional organization"...."if only he could stay healthy"....

The guy has been in the league for seven or eight seasons now. At what point do we start holding him accountable for his actual production?? He's produced at an elite level exactly ONE time - four years ago

Realistically, he's positioned exactly where he should be on that list

could someone sign Jagr already...
- MartysBetter88

I'd love to but I though you had that rule against nobody over 30? Or did you mean someone else?

if we could only swap hall back For Lars.. But yeah This ranking of Hall was pretty silly

Todd Cordell: NHL Network underrates Taylor Hall in winger rankings
- Todd.Cordell

Like I said with Schneider, devils players get no love.

Hall is overrated and it's been that way since he was a Windsor spitfire and seguin was the clear choice for first overall

wonder what it would take to snag Pasta away from the bruins? Not like we have the right assets anyways.

wonder what it would take to snag Pasta away from the bruins? Not like we have the right assets anyways.
- K-dizzle

We need dmen more than him

I'd love to but I though you had that rule against nobody over 30? Or did you mean someone else?
- Queenie_5_hole

yea someone else. I'd take him though lol. it's to that point.

Top 20 Wings in Goals over the last 5 years:

1 - Alex Ovechkin
2 - Patrick Kane
3 - Max Pacioretty
4 - Jamie Benn
5 - Vladimir Tarasenko
6 - Corey Perry
7 - Brad Marchand
8 - Wayne Simmonds
9 - Phil Kessel
10 - Jeff Skinner
11 - Rick Nash
T12 - James Neal
T12 - Blake Wheeler
14 - Zach Parise
15 - James van Riemsdyk
16 - Cam Atkinson
17 - Andrew Ladd
18 - Jarome Iginla
T19 - Marion Hossa
T19 - Nikita Kucherov


Same thing, but Points:

1 - Patrick Kane
2 - Jamie Benn
3 - Alex Ovechkin
4 - Blake Wheeler
5 - Phil Kessel
6 - Jakub Voracek
7 - Max Pacioretty
8 - Corey Perry
9 - Taylor Hall
10 - Vladimir Tarasenko
11 - Henrik Zetterberg
12 - Brad Marchand
13 - Daniel Sedin
14 - Jaromir Jagr
T15 - Alex Steen
T15 - Wayne Simmonds
17 - Kyle Okposo
18 - Zach Parise
19 - Thomas Vanek (!!!)
20 - T J Oshie

Surprised by how different these lists actually are. Also interesting that the "Points" list is a lot older than the "Goals" list for the most part.
- BINGO!

A better way to do it would be to use primary 5v5 points. On the power play, opportunities and roles are different and then you're not really evaluating wingers, just forwards. While I'm not as harsh on the NHL counting secondary assists as some are, I do think primary points are a more accurate and predictive measure of offensive contributions. Unfortunately I'm not really sure where to find a lot of this stuff right now with everyone shutting down their sites.

I would really like it if they signed will butcher today