Sheng Peng: Ray Ferraro on Pierre Turgeon: "Players...will find his ideas make sense." Ray Ferraro shares his thoughts on Pierre Turgeon's hire.

Hard to teach old dogs, new tricks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3 assistant coach hires, 3 former forwards. Is Stevens running the defense?

its worth a try...

this is all we can do when licking the cap ceiling...

can't really do anythng over the next 4-5 years with those Brown and Gaborik boat anchor contracts.

Hard to teach old dogs, new tricks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- holeinone

Good thing they aren't dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this is all we can do when licking the cap ceiling...

can't really do anythng over the next 4-5 years with those Brown and Gaborik boat anchor contracts
- MikeOxbyg

We have over $7M in cap space with 20 players on the roster. Gravel, LaDue, and one of Brodzinski, Kempe, & Mersch will fill the last 3 spots, and won't take up more than $2.5-3M. that leaves us with $4M+ in cap space.

I hardly call that "licking the cap ceiling."

Never mind.

this is all we can do when licking the cap ceiling...

can't really do anythng over the next 4-5 years with those Brown and Gaborik boat anchor contracts.
- MikeOxbyg

Kings would be able to afford almost any player with the cap they have now. WITH brown and gaborik in the books. Their contracts are atrocious, no doubt, but the kings can surely find away around them if they wanted to. They will most certainly trade a contract to go get a landeskog or duchene or JVR, if these players are really available.

and don't mention doughty either, with his contract ending soon. He'll get what, a 2mil raise? Ok kings will still be fine.

It's the young players that need to perform at low costs. That's the problem with the kings. Not the 2 albatross contracts.

We have over $7M in cap space with 20 players on the roster. Gravel, LaDue, and one of Brodzinski, Kempe, & Mersch will fill the last 3 spots, and won't take up more than $2.5-3M. that leaves us with $4M+ in cap space.

I hardly call that "licking the cap ceiling."
- tkecanuck341

Am I mistaken that we aren't factoring in Gaborik yet because they are playing a shell game with LTIR and his AAV right now?

Am I mistaken that we aren't factoring in Gaborik yet because they are playing a shell game with LTIR and his AAV right now?
- MikeOxbyg

I know you aren't talking to me but If I'm understanding you correctly, gaborik is NOT yet on LTIR thus kings have roughly 7mil in space RIGHT NOW. When gaborik goes on LTIR then it'll be about 11mil.

If that is the case we should get Jagr and play him with Kopi and Cammalleri. don't have much to lose, 4mil - 1year. I would do that. Brown Shore and Lewis on the 4th, I am ok with that

I know you aren't talking to me but If I'm understanding you correctly, gaborik is NOT yet on LTIR thus kings have roughly 7mil in space RIGHT NOW. When gaborik goes on LTIR then it'll be about 11mil.
- KINGS67

I heard that Gaborik has become allergic to his equipment and Brown is allergic to Ca. Pistachios so both will go on LTIR.

If that is the case we should get Jagr and play him with Kopi and Cammalleri. don't have much to lose, 4mil - 1year. I would do that. Brown Shore and Lewis on the 4th, I am ok with that
- MikeOxbyg

Honestly, I wouldn't mind jagr, For obvious reasons.

I just don't think he wants west coast 🙄

Looks like we are PTO'ing that offensive juggernaut Loktionov

Kings would be able to afford almost any player with the cap they have now. WITH brown and gaborik in the books. Their contracts are atrocious, no doubt, but the kings can surely find away around them if they wanted to. They will most certainly trade a contract to go get a landeskog or duchene or JVR, if these players are really available.

and don't mention doughty either, with his contract ending soon. He'll get what, a 2mil raise? Ok kings will still be fine.

It's the young players that need to perform at low costs. That's the problem with the kings. Not the 2 albatross contracts.
- KINGS67

Doughty will end up with a more lucrative contact than Kopitar. My guess is right around 8 years/ $11M. Doughty is arguably the best in the NHL at his position. Kopitar is elite, but no higher than 3rd best in the league at his position.

Doughty will end up with a more lucrative contact than Kopitar. My guess is right around 8 years/ $11M. Doughty is arguably the best in the NHL at his position. Kopitar is elite, but no higher than 3rd best in the league at his position.
- tkecanuck341

Funny reading that Kopitar is top-3 league wide, meanwhile, Leaf fans think Bozak>Kopitar.

Funny reading that Kopitar is top-3 league wide, meanwhile, Leaf fans think Bozak>Kopitar.

- lowsix

That's according to Wayne Gretzky.

Funny reading that Kopitar is top-3 league wide, meanwhile, Leaf fans think Bozak>Kopitar.

- lowsix

I refuse to believe anyone could possibly think that.

LaDue and Gravel resigned for $875k and $650k respectively. I seem to recall that I got a lot of crap for suggesting that they would resign for a combined $1.5M. Looks like I wasn't too far off.

who is this Bozak you speak of?

I would love to see Bozak on the Kings though, he would be an awesome third line center

The Turgeon addition to the staff is interesting.....my feeling has always been that while players can always improve their scoring potential by improving their strength, conditioning and puck skills, it is also greatly influenced by what teammates (forwards and defensemen) they play with most often, and what type of opportunities they receive (offensive vs. defensive zone starts, opposition matchups, PP time). And with all that, there are great athletes and solid hockey players who can't put the puck in the ocean (former King Gene Carr comes to mind) while there are other guys like Luc Robitaille who might not even be drafted today (was an 9th round pick back in 1984, a round that doesn't exist anymore) you don't expect to somehow have 668 goals in their stick.

That said, just having Turgeon on the staff could potentially help.....just giving the players a reminder that guys, we gotta put the puck in the net, and how can we do it ? The only downside I see is if the so-called "offensive coordinator" might want players to handle certain situations differently than other coaches - what if Turgeon tells a defenseman to pinch more aggressively, then another coach tells him he's being too aggressive on the pinch ? Hopefully the staff can make sure the players get the same message from everyone.....mostly, put a few pucks in the net while not giving away anything on the other end.....pretty much what every team in the league is doing, to some degree.

3 assistant coach hires, 3 former forwards. Is Stevens running the defense?
- CrownedKing

That seems like a reasonable guess. Interesting that they talked to Stothers, and as far as we know, no other former defensemen.

It's the young players that need to perform at low costs. That's the problem with the kings. Not the 2 albatross contracts.
- KINGS67

I mean, they're both problems. If one of those albatross contracts was performing at his pay grade, that would mitigate need for youngsters to outperform contracts, and vice versa. But between the bad contracts and relatively underwhelming young talent, well, here we are.

I seem to recall that I got a lot of crap for suggesting that they would resign for a combined $1.5M. Looks like I wasn't too far off.
- tkecanuck341

What were others guessing? 1.5 doesn't sound off-base. I thought LaDue might cross $1 mil per if LA locked him up a little longer, that's about it. Gravel hasn't done enough to earn a significant raise.

The only downside I see is if the so-called "offensive coordinator" might want players to handle certain situations differently than other coaches - what if Turgeon tells a defenseman to pinch more aggressively, then another coach tells him he's being too aggressive on the pinch ?
- jkaflagg

Obviously, you'd think Stevens and company would make sure that Turgeon was "team player." But would be interesting and ugly if an "Adam Oates situation" arose -- where Oates is telling players to do things differently than the coaching staff. Of course, Oates was an independent skills coach at that time.

LaDue and Gravel resigned for $875k and $650k respectively. I seem to recall that I got a lot of crap for suggesting that they would resign for a combined $1.5M. Looks like I wasn't too far off.
- tkecanuck341

for the record, I did not doubt you, and I like the deals they got