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Jared Crozier
Ottawa Senators
Location: Gatineau, QC
Joined: 09.26.2014

Jun 28 @ 9:35 AM ET
Jared Crozier: Don't expect much activity in free agency for the Senators
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jun 28 @ 9:40 AM ET
No Kidding

Melnyk has no money

Methot leaving and Phaneuf being shopped is not a coincidence

Cap floor team here we come
riceroni
Ottawa Senators
Location: e5, ON
Joined: 07.29.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:02 AM ET
Enjoy your holiday Jared!

I too will be leaving town, I have to go to a wedding in Vermont on Canada Day! Who gets married on Canada Day and is Canadian but living in America? Damn family...
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Jun 28 @ 10:07 AM ET
I don't like this at all, I 100% agree with the article and no one wants to over pay for players. But not wanting to improve your team consistently is a losing mentality.

Even if it's just tinkering, we should be doing it.

Try to trade 2-3 players for one good player, saves a bit of cap room and complications with multiple signings and gives room for the young guys to come up.

I still think going for a #1C like Duchene is a good idea, I think bringing in Yakupov would be extremely cheap and well worth it if we could get his confidence back to where it should be.

There are moves to be made, to improve our team we should make them.
riceroni
Ottawa Senators
Location: e5, ON
Joined: 07.29.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:14 AM ET
I don't like this at all, I 100% agree with the article and no one wants to over pay for players. But not wanting to improve your team consistently is a losing mentality.

Even if it's just tinkering, we should be doing it.

Try to trade 2-3 players for one good player, saves a bit of cap room and complications with multiple signings and gives room for the young guys to come up.

I still think going for a #1C like Duchene is a good idea, I think bringing in Yakupov would be extremely cheap and well worth it if we could get his confidence back to where it should be.

There are moves to be made, to improve our team we should make them.

- Maverick1818


I'd definitely take a shot at Yak City... But, I'd be more interested in a 3 year deal around $1.5, $1.75 and $2.0 per year... if he reclaims his touch then that's a steal
CooCooKaChoo
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.15.2008

Jun 28 @ 10:26 AM ET
If you could grab Brendan Smith on a two year deal, I'd like to see that. Hell, even Markov on a one year deal would be interesting.

Stalberg and Condon back would be nice too, but I don't want to see anything big or more than two years.

You can throw a flyer at Yakapov, but I think every team is thinking that and he will probably get too much.


What I don't get is why they are still looking to move Phaneuf. He has been exactly as advertised, and yes, he has a big contract, but you knew that when you got him. Did they not plan for two years down the road? And who fills his spot? Another overpriced guy of UFA? The devil you know works.
Charliebox
Joined: 09.08.2008

Jun 28 @ 10:30 AM ET
We better fill the giant hole left by Methot externally (trade or free agent) this summer.

We do not have the assets (yet) to fill it internally.

Anytime someone from the organization tries to hint at it, I throw up a bit in my mouth.

The Sens desperately need a solid top 4 left-handed Dman.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jun 28 @ 10:40 AM ET
We better fill the giant hole left by Methot externally (trade or free agent) this summer.

We do not have the assets (yet) to fill it internally.

Anytime someone from the organization tries to hint at it, I throw up a bit in my mouth.

The Sens desperately need a solid top 4 left-handed Dman.

- Charliebox


Jesus guys....youre acting like we loss Bobby (frank)ing orr.

Please explain what makes methot so valuable......because looking at the numbers, he's basically Roman polak......except older, more expensive, and enjoyed the benefit of #65 as his D partner

The guy is a decent player but he's easily replaceable............good God man
SENS 613
Ottawa Senators
Location: " I would be offended but you are a pretty big loser" Tuna99
Joined: 10.18.2009

Jun 28 @ 11:36 AM ET
He's already been replaced.

His name is Freddie Claesson and he showed last season that EKs game actually improves when partnered with him over Methot.

As always Ottawa won't make any moves but thats a good thing especially this year. As Jared mentioned, having the cap space to re-sign Turris, Stone, and Karl should be the main focus.
Charliebox
Joined: 09.08.2008

Jun 28 @ 11:45 AM ET
Jesus, guys.

You two love to hump your advanced stats. You do realize there are many things advanced stats don't take into account, right?

Methot played 20 mins a game. He was also in our first PK unit.

Claesson played 13 mins a game for 33 games. He got basically zero PK time all season. I think he averaged 20secs per game.

Claesson averaged the least mins of any Sens Dman. Less than Boro/Wideman.. even less than Harpur in the few games he got in.

So, sure Karlsson's advanced numbers may have been better alongside Claesson, but that was for parts of 33 games, with sheltered mins.

Can Claesson play 20 mins, along with a regular shift on the PK, for 82 games next season and still have as good advanced stats? Possibly. Is it likely? (frank) no.

It would be absolutely ridiculous for this team to go into next season without filling the hole left by Methot with another bona-fide NHL Dman who has played similar mins for a few years.

Also, if we want Clasesson to develop properly, the last thing we should be doing is chucking him into the top 2 after playing half a damn season and averaging 13 mins a game. Talk about a ridiculous step up. That's how you destroy someone's confidence.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jun 28 @ 11:53 AM ET
Jesus, guys.

You two love to hump your advanced stats. You do realize there are many things advanced stats don't take into account, right?

Methot played 20 mins a game. He was also in our first PK unit.

Claesson played 13 mins a game for 33 games. He got basically zero PK time all season. I think he averaged 20secs per game.

Claesson averaged the least mins of any Sens Dman. Less than Boro/Wideman.. even less than Harpur in the few games he got in.

So, sure Karlsson's advanced numbers may have been better alongside Claesson, but that was for parts of 33 games, with sheltered mins.

Can Claesson play 20 mins, along with a regular shift on the PK, for 82 games next season and still have as good advanced stats? Possibly. Is it likely? (frank) no.

It would be absolutely ridiculous for this team to go into next season without filling the hole left by Methot with another bona-fide NHL Dman who has played similar mins for a few years.

Also, if we want Clasesson to develop properly, the last thing we should be doing is chucking him into the top 2 after playing half a damn season and averaging 13 mins a game. Talk about a ridiculous step up. That's how you destroy someone's confidence.

- Charliebox


You're right, the sky is falling. We lost a 12 pt dman who was ok defensively.. ......not even any point in cheering for this team anymore.. .....might as well be Dallas fans now, I mean they have methot, how can they loose.
Charliebox
Joined: 09.08.2008

Jun 28 @ 12:00 PM ET
You're right, the sky is falling. We lost a 12 pt dman who was ok defensively.. ......not even any point in cheering for this team anymore.. .....might as well be Dallas fans now, I mean they have methot, how can they loose.
- sensarmy_11


No need to get sarcastic, bud.

I never thought Methot was amazing. He is probably a bit overpaid, and super injury prone.

Thing is, he was steady and easily our 2nd best Dman last playoff. The goal is to win now. Or at least, that's what I thought. We have EK in his prime. If we aren't going to go for it now, when the hell are we?

At the end of the day, Methot was a top 4NHL Dman. Those are not easy to find. As I said in my first post, we need to fill that hole from the outside of this organization. Asking any of our guys who played 5-6 last year to fill that hole is ridiculous.

Boro - no chance..
Wideman - to small and not skilled or fast enough to overcome it
Claesson - I agree, he's the best candidate, but it would be a huge mistake to give him a baptism by fire like that.
Chabot - Way too early to even think about it
Harpur - Come on.

Losing Methot is a step in the wrong direction. The sky is not falling, but if we don't replace him by October, we are going to miss him dearly. It's only been 1.5 seasons that we've actually had a legit top 4. It sucks ass to think we are going to back to having 3 of 4 and all the crap that goes along with it.

Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Jun 28 @ 12:27 PM ET
If you could grab Brendan Smith on a two year deal, I'd like to see that. Hell, even Markov on a one year deal would be interesting.

Stalberg and Condon back would be nice too, but I don't want to see anything big or more than two years.

You can throw a flyer at Yakapov, but I think every team is thinking that and he will probably get too much.


What I don't get is why they are still looking to move Phaneuf. He has been exactly as advertised, and yes, he has a big contract, but you knew that when you got him. Did they not plan for two years down the road? And who fills his spot? Another overpriced guy of UFA? The devil you know works.

- CooCooKaChoo


Brandon Smith would be great.

I don't like the idea of Markov at all.

Condon I think should be brought back. plus we have Matt O'Conner coming.

Stalberg i think we should let go or sign and trade.

Dion I 100% agree, I don't see why we would move him. he played awesome last year, we have him locked up, might as well use his talents, he's a great leader and clearly meshes well with the team.

Yak, I agree, give him a 3 year deal, minimum the first year and work it up from there. would be 100% worth it if we could get him going at his potential. Even if he just picks it up a little bit, at that low cost we could trade him.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 28 @ 12:34 PM ET
With McDavid at $13m..... I can bet next summer Karlsson will cash in.

I would offer 10.84 AVV for 6 years ($ 65M contract)

If things were really crazy than 13m for 5 years although I don't think Karlsson will be paid as much - you never know though. McDavid is 20 and Karlsson is 29 looking at his big pay day
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 28 @ 12:35 PM ET
many good points here, I just want to wait until a week from now to see what Dorion does with the defense @charliebox...and others
Stalemate
Joined: 04.17.2008

Jun 28 @ 12:48 PM ET
Brandon Smith would be great.

I don't like the idea of Markov at all.

Condon I think should be brought back. plus we have Matt O'Conner coming.

Stalberg i think we should let go or sign and trade.

Dion I 100% agree, I don't see why we would move him. he played awesome last year, we have him locked up, might as well use his talents, he's a great leader and clearly meshes well with the team.

Yak, I agree, give him a 3 year deal, minimum the first year and work it up from there. would be 100% worth it if we could get him going at his potential. Even if he just picks it up a little bit, at that low cost we could trade him.

- Maverick1818


Matt O'Connor has been let go by the Sens.
wilkobecks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.07.2014

Jun 28 @ 1:01 PM ET
With McDavid at $13m..... I can bet next summer Karlsson will cash in.

I would offer 10.84 AVV for 6 years ($ 65M contract)

If things were really crazy than 13m for 5 years although I don't think Karlsson will be paid as much - you never know though. McDavid is 20 and Karlsson is 29 looking at his big pay day

- AlfieisKing


Guys on the radio this morning had a poll going, and said there is a zero% chance he doesn't get an 8 year deal (which even they agreed was a bit risky based on him 37 at the end), but they were thinking he lands around $11m per year x 8. (And if OTT doesn't offer that then he would get 7yrs with pretty much every other team in the league that has or can clear cap space.
AlfieFever
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 28 @ 1:04 PM ET
Sens don't need UFAs. They have a strong core and some great prospects. The focus should on extending Karlsson.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Jun 28 @ 1:05 PM ET
Matt O'Connor has been let go by the Sens.
- Stalemate

What!, when the heck did that happen?
wilkobecks
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.07.2014

Jun 28 @ 1:14 PM ET
What!, when the heck did that happen?
- Maverick1818


They told him a few weeks ago that they were not offering him a new deal. I think they see Hogberg as the new future between the pipes
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Jun 28 @ 1:31 PM ET
They told him a few weeks ago that they were not offering him a new deal. I think they see Hogberg as the new future between the pipes
- wilkobecks

I donno if that's a good move, MO is crazy good when he is on his game.

I really worry about our management. They aren't aggressive, don't really do well in development of our prospects and are afraid to get anything done trade wise.

That's not a cup winning mentality
CooCooKaChoo
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.15.2008

Jun 28 @ 1:37 PM ET
I donno if that's a good move, MO is crazy good when he is on his game.

I really worry about our management. They aren't aggressive, don't really do well in development of our prospects and are afraid to get anything done trade wise.

That's not a cup winning mentality

- Maverick1818


Not keeping a goaltender that has done nothing for two years isn't going to hurt your chances at a cup. Sens are likely going to have to look outside the organisation when Anderson is done, because they don't have anyone that forecasts as a starter in their system.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Jun 28 @ 1:53 PM ET
Not keeping a goaltender that has done nothing for two years isn't going to hurt your chances at a cup. Sens are likely going to have to look outside the organisation when Anderson is done, because they don't have anyone that forecasts as a starter in their system.
- CooCooKaChoo

I mean over all. We just lost our #2D, we still don't have a #1C, the team is unwilling to make moves where it's needed.

Look at our record lately.

Cowen was supposed to be the next Chara... didn't work out
Lazar... didn't workout
Ceci... well on his way to not working out and now has a bad name because we kept him over Methot
Chiasson... high expectations because we lost Spezza for him... didn't workout
etc

We have a very good thing with Chabot, White and Brown that we can't afford to screw up on. But until they are ready, we don't have a contending team that's going to the finals every year. We have big gaps to fill and a management team that is unwilling to even attempt to fill them

Our goal seems to be to make the playoffs, not win cup.
CooCooKaChoo
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.15.2008

Jun 28 @ 2:04 PM ET
I mean over all. We just lost our #2D, we still don't have a #1C, the team is unwilling to make moves where it's needed.

Look at our record lately.

Cowen was supposed to be the next Chara... didn't work out
Lazar... didn't workout
Ceci... well on his way to not working out and now has a bad name because we kept him over Methot
Chiasson... high expectations because we lost Spezza for him... didn't workout
etc

We have a very good thing with Chabot, White and Brown that we can't afford to screw up on. But until they are ready, we don't have a contending team that's going to the finals every year. We have big gaps to fill and a management team that is unwilling to even attempt to fill them

Our goal seems to be to make the playoffs, not win cup.

- Maverick1818


I agree with that goal. Same thing as they did this year, make the playoffs and hope you get hot. I think another year of playing it conservative and letting your players develop will mean great things for this team in 2018/19.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Jun 28 @ 2:14 PM ET
Guys on the radio this morning had a poll going, and said there is a zero% chance he doesn't get an 8 year deal (which even they agreed was a bit risky based on him 37 at the end), but they were thinking he lands around $11m per year x 8. (And if OTT doesn't offer that then he would get 7yrs with pretty much every other team in the league that has or can clear cap space.
- wilkobecks
Karlsson has lived in Ottawa since he's been a teen with Alfie. This is home for him and sweeds are VERY loyal and homely people (unlike some other countrymen that run for the $) ...anyways in all seriousness I have difficulty believing Karlsson is not a lifer here.

If Karlsson gets 8 years, I'd have to think deal is around 10-11m. Kane and Toews had 3 cup rings and got 10.5 but Karl will also care about building a team around him
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