James Tanner: Matt Duchene is Fools Gold - Teams Should Pass

I'd hesitate to use Corsi as the argument against him as he HAS been stuck under Patrick "Hits n Grit" Roy for most of the last 5 years and this past year's team was historically awful. What are his Rel (I said as I realized I could just look them up)?

Ya, a player that gets named to the best team in the world on a consistent basis (Canada), is not very good.

I'd hesitate to use Corsi as the argument against him as he HAS been stuck under Patrick "Hits n Grit" Roy for most of the last 5 years and this past year's team was historically awful. What are his Rel (I said as I realized I could just look them up)?
- MaximumBone

While looking them up, I happened upon his 5-on-5 scoring/60 and I don't think your argument is valid. Over the past 4 years (2013-17), he's 19th in 5-on-5 points/60 (limited to players who played more than 2000 mins) with a rate of 2.11. Those are great-to-elite numbers- especially on such a bad team. He's among notably great players like Kucherov, Marchand, Tavares, Stamkos, Wheeler, Gaudreau, etc.

In the NHL you'd be hard pressed to find a player more overrated than Matt Duchene


I Have heard that on here alot lately and totally disagree.I think you look at his point totals and not very good couple of years and jump to conclusions.This is just my opinion though and were all allowed to have them. Matt Duchene has a lot of talent and any team would be foolish not to jump at the chance to have him.

Team Canada is full of idiots.. clearly.

Tanner is high as a kite.

Like how he omits Duchene was essentially a ppg player just 3 seasons ago when the team actually played well.

Every single year before this one matt significantly outscored him, no?
A far higher career ppg.

Kadris probably more than quality two way guy. Certainly more capable of being a shutdown player with some skill. But he hasn't shown he's the superior offensive threat. Its not like both are just 21 and they don't have multiple seasons.
Another season or two and I'll jump on board though

At present, duch still has that dynamic skating and capability of putting up relatively big numbers.
I can see why some gms covet that

"maybe he'll be the rare player who gets better in his late 20s."

Patrick Eaves

I like Nazem Kadri and hope he is a career Leaf.

Team Canada is full of idiots.. clearly.

Tanner is high as a kite.

Like how he omits Duchene was essentially a ppg player just 3 seasons ago when the team actually played well.
- DutchCanSaveUs

I agree that matt should have reasonably high value. But i hate the Canada argument


The guys who pick that team are just regular NHL gms that have bias and make mistakes on their club teams all the time. They don't somehow become infallible because they were selected to choose Canada's squad

I agree that matt should have reasonably high value. But i hate the Canada argument

The guys who pick that team are just regular NHL gms that have bias and make mistakes on their club teams all the time. They don't somehow become infallible because they were selected to choose Canada's squad
- HB77

Just because you hate it doesn't mean it's not true.

They pick their freakin' D pairings on LH and RH pairs.. if there were a better player than Matt Duchene for Team Canada (for F sake) he would be there.

Period.

Tanner being tanner.

Those darn lucky players...

Just because you hate it doesn't mean it's not true.

They pick their freakin' D pairings on LH and RH pairs.. if there were a better player than Matt Duchene for Team Canada (for F sake) he would be there.

Period.
- DutchCanSaveUs

They also picked Chris Kunitz, Jay Bouwmeester and Rick Nash over Taylor Hall, Kris Letang (may have been injured) and Claude Giroux to name a few. My point is, their picks often lean towards making "chemistry" picks over actually picking the best player. Not going to say they're wrong to do so, but it's wrong to suggest that they're better simply for being on Team Canada.

Just because you hate it doesn't mean it's not true.

They pick their freakin' D pairings on LH and RH pairs.. if there were a better player than Matt Duchene for Team Canada (for F sake) he would be there.

Period.
- DutchCanSaveUs

No. Not period. AT all


They're just dudes prone to bias and mistakes. Or as previously mentioned, often interested in chemistry over who's actually the better player.
Are you under the impression that the second the gms get selected by the committee they put on superhero outfits snd become mistake free?

There's plenty of players/decisions they've made that are entirely up for debate still.

Did you think by saying "period" that somehow made you right ??

"maybe he'll be the rare player who gets better in his late 20s."

Patrick Eaves
- quackup

Good csll

They also picked Chris Kunitz, Jay Bouwmeester and Rick Nash over Taylor Hall, Kris Letang (may have been injured) and Claude Giroux to name a few. My point is, their picks often lean towards making "chemistry" picks over actually picking the best player. Not going to say they're wrong to do so, but it's wrong to suggest that they're better simply for being on Team Canada.
- MaximumBone

I agree 100% plus team canada cant really screw up. Matt Duchene is a talented player and you could take 30 other guys and not have it nake a lick of difference.

To everyone else:

When I say he is overrated its in relation to him being revered on , it seems to me, a near Stamkos level of adoration. He is a 3rd overall pick whos been on team Canada and he gets treated like it. Taylor Hall is a much much better player and doesnt .
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That is how reputation works fat more than reality to shape how these guys are seen.

Duchenes career high is 30 and Kadris is 32.

Duchenes career high is 30 and Kadris is 32.
- James_Tanner

Well that clearly makes him better.

And can anyone honestly say going forwaed they woukd rather have Duchene than Galchenyuk or Droin?

Drouin is far and away the better player.

Well that clearly makes him better.
- Rinosaur

No what makes him better is that he scores almost as much while preventing way more goals.
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Doesn't matter what else a player does, those are the end results that everything comes out to.

If your team allows more scoring chances and shots against when youre on the ice you are literally helping your team lose. The reason Matt Duchenes teams always suck is bc of matt duchene.

Hes exactly like Phil Kessel. Probably a great guy to sneakily deploy after your two maun stars but a bad guy to run the team through

Yes, I'd rather have Duchene than Galchenyuk.

No what makes him better is that he scores almost as much while preventing way more goals.
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Doesn't matter what else a player does, those are the end results that everything comes out to.

If your team allows more scoring chances and shots against when youre on the ice you are literally helping your team lose. The reason Matt Duchenes teams always suck is bc of matt duchene.

Hes exactly like Phil Kessel. Probably a great guy to sneakily deploy after your two maun stars but a bad guy to run the team through
- James_Tanner

Yeah, a team stinks because of one player. It has nothing to do with the rest of the team around him.

Yes, I'd rather have Duchene than Galchenyuk.
- willschulme

Every day of the week.

HOLY SH!T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you completely out of your mind?

Now, don't get me wrong, I disagree with 95% of the bile that is sprayed onto your keyboard, but this one....wow.

I do believe that is the record for the fastest time I have read a sentence and proceeded to go to the comment section.

To quote Lars, Kirk, Jason, and James...after this one "Nothing Else Matters" with you.

wow.