Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Worlds, Draft, Propp and Much More

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Worlds, Draft, Propp and Much More
- bmeltzer

Bill, do you think Dove-McFalls would acceot an AHL contract with a chance to turn it into an NHL contract like VandeVelde (I believe) did a few years back?

Bill, do you think Dove-McFalls would acceot an AHL contract with a chance to turn it into an NHL contract like VandeVelde (I believe) did a few years back?
- jmatchett383

I think there's at least a 50-50 shot he could get re-drafted (if not signed by the Flyers ahead of June 15) and get an ELC from an NHL organization or else play an overage season in the Q and try again for an ELC in a year.

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I think there's at least a 50-50 shot he could get re-drafted (if not signed by the Flyers ahead of June 15) and get an ELC from an NHL organization or else play an overage season in the Q and try again for an ELC in a year.
- bmeltzer

I get that he isn't a make or break prospect but I would still like to see them get him signed.

Agreed. Coaches have a shelf life, it's just the way it is. Keenan, Hitch and Lavi were all excellent coaches, but it was time for a change when they each got fired. The only head coach in Flyers history that I felt was fired too soon was Quinn in 82.
- BiggE

Dunno, I think we've all just been conditioned to accept the idea of the coaching carousel.

Quenneville's been in Chicago for almost a decade, with pretty much the same core players the entire time. Based off conventional wisdom, Toews/Kane/Keith/Seab should have tuned him out by now.

Q's outlasted two GM's already. Wonder how often that's ever happened. Usually first thing the GM does under pressure is to sacrifice the coach. And fans have been all too eager to eat it up.

Dunno, I think we've all just been conditioned to accept the idea of the coaching carousel.

Quenneville's been in Chicago for almost a decade, with pretty much the same core players the entire time. Based off conventional wisdom, Toews/Kane/Keith/Seab should have tuned him out by now.

Q's outlasted two GM's already. Wonder how often that's ever happened. Usually first thing the GM does under pressure is to sacrifice the coach. And fans have been all too eager to eat it up.
- Tomahawk

The Hakws have also gone out in the first round the last 2 years, so the tuning out may have started. Usually, when a team wins 3 Cups in 6 years (and goes to 2 other conference finals in that span), it's hard to fire the coach and hard not to listen to him as players. But Q's the exception, not the norm because no other team has had that sustained success since the mid-90s Red Wings.

I think there's at least a 50-50 shot he could get re-drafted (if not signed by the Flyers ahead of June 15) and get an ELC from an NHL organization or else play an overage season in the Q and try again for an ELC in a year.
- bmeltzer

Could the great Tyrell Goulbourne have done the same thing? The way I remember it, he played an overage season because the Flyers didn't offer him an ELC, but he wasn't subject to a redraft (from what I recall).

Could the great Tyrell Goulbourne have done the same thing? The way I remember it, he played an overage season because the Flyers didn't offer him an ELC, but he wasn't subject to a redraft (from what I recall).
- jmatchett383

He was 19 when drafted, so the same signing time-frame applied. He did play an over-age season.

Now that the World Championships are finished, Hextall can get back to overseeing the Flyers' offseason plans for contracts, the NHL Expansion Draft and the scouting meetings before the NHL Draft. Things have been quiet on the surface since the end of the Flyers' season, but it is likely the wheels will be in more rapid motion very soon.

Might Hexy be stopping off in Sweden on the way home to sign Lindblom?

Could the great Tyrell Goulbourne have done the same thing? The way I remember it, he played an overage season because the Flyers didn't offer him an ELC, but he wasn't subject to a redraft (from what I recall).
- jmatchett383

I could be wrong but wasn't he drafted as a 19 yr old whereas SDM as an 18 yo old?

Dunno, I think we've all just been conditioned to accept the idea of the coaching carousel.

Quenneville's been in Chicago for almost a decade, with pretty much the same core players the entire time. Based off conventional wisdom, Toews/Kane/Keith/Seab should have tuned him out by now.

Q's outlasted two GM's already. Wonder how often that's ever happened. Usually first thing the GM does under pressure is to sacrifice the coach. And fans have been all too eager to eat it up.
- Tomahawk

What could've possibly conditioned us to accept the idea of the coaching carousel? Could that possibly be that coaches having a shelf life is a fact and most coaches get fired sooner or later? You named one coach out of 30. Darryl Sutter just got fired and he is one of the best coaches in hockey. Coaches getting eventually fired is the norm not the exception.

He was 19 when drafted, so the same signing time-frame applied. He did play an over-age season.
- bmeltzer

If that's the case, why wasn't he subject to draft re-entry (or was he, and was passed)?

Edit: Or was there a typo in the reply?

Might Hexy be stopping off in Sweden on the way home to sign Lindblom?
- Feanor

If by "sign" you mean "abduct and drag away", then yes.

I am here now

You get two years to sign players drafted out of the CHL, and Goulbourne only played two years after being drafted in the CHL.

https://www.capfriendly.c...players/tyrell-goulbourne

I am here now
- PhillySportsGuy

Praise be to Buddha!

What's your feeling on the Sixers drafting Lavar Ball (and his son) if they could do it at 3?

Dunno, I think we've all just been conditioned to accept the idea of the coaching carousel.

Quenneville's been in Chicago for almost a decade, with pretty much the same core players the entire time. Based off conventional wisdom, Toews/Kane/Keith/Seab should have tuned him out by now.

Q's outlasted two GM's already. Wonder how often that's ever happened. Usually first thing the GM does under pressure is to sacrifice the coach. And fans have been all too eager to eat it up.
- Tomahawk

Agreed. I think GMs are too quick to can coaches. Being able to have a good coach for a long time is such a huge advantage. Everything becomes streamlined and it becomes easier to develop players.

Changing coaches every 2-3 years is just bad for culture.

The Hakws have also gone out in the first round the last 2 years, so the tuning out may have started. Usually, when a team wins 3 Cups in 6 years (and goes to 2 other conference finals in that span), it's hard to fire the coach and hard not to listen to him as players. But Q's the exception, not the norm because no other team has had that sustained success since the mid-90s Red Wings.
- jmatchett383

A good GM can evaluate a coach without looking at a team's record. Just because a team has a disappointing year doesn't mean the coach needs to be fired.

Praise be to Buddha!

What's your feeling on the Sixers drafting Lavar Ball (and his son) if they could do it at 3?
- jmatchett383

I'd probably be for it

Agreed. I think GMs are too quick to can coaches. Being able to have a good coach for a long time is such a huge advantage. Everything becomes streamlined and it becomes easier to develop players.

Changing coaches every 2-3 years is just bad for culture.
- PhillySportsGuy

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Yeah, continuity of management and coaching provides the opportunity to push forward a singular vision/approach. If players can't buy in to the culture, they are the ones to go. The ones that do buy in, the culture becomes cult-ish and self-perpetuating.

Teams that are on a continual hire/fire cycle (Leafs, Flyers, Canadiens, Rangers, etc) are constantly spinning their wheels. Those teams may have historical cultures, but team culture is completely absent.

I hope Hexy is here for a long time, and I hope Hak improves and justifies a long look too. It would be a lot better for the team's outlook, especially for the kids.

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Yeah, continuity of management and coaching provides the opportunity to push forward a singular vision/approach. If players can't buy in to the culture, they are the ones to go. The ones that do buy in, the culture becomes cult-ish and self-perpetuating.

Teams that are on a continual hire/fire cycle (Leafs, Flyers, Canadiens, Rangers, etc) are constantly spinning their wheels. Those teams may have historical cultures, but team culture is completely absent.

I hope Hexy is here for a long time, and I hope Hak improves and justifies a long look too. It would be a lot better for the team's outlook, especially for the kids.
- Tomahawk

I think some coaches are better for different stages in team's builds. For instance, if you have a generally young team, you may want a coach known for good player development (i.e. AHL/CHL/NCAA coaches(. Similarly, if you have a more veteran team, you may opt for a coach who better identifies with veterans or has a more proven winning record (i.e. Lavi). I'm not saying that a coach can't do both, but I can kinda see a team wanting to make a change if they feel they need to get over the hump, similarly to Pittsburgh last year.

Bill - whats the deal with Mike Vecchione ?
Did you already do a write up on him and I missed it?
Is he projected to start on our 4th line ? Is he the next Matt Read?
Thanks

As others have alluded to it is time to rethink the coaching carousel that is quite frankly embarrassing for the league. There are indeed a multitude of good coaches that get fired by the GM at the drop of a hat. There is virtually no tolerance for any adversity and little thought to future considerations. Lazy GM'ing in order to save face with the company.

It is bad practice and we can lump it in with the old way of thinking that needs to be put out to pasture.

If that's the case, why wasn't he subject to draft re-entry (or was he, and was passed)?

Edit: Or was there a typo in the reply?
- jmatchett383

i believe being drafted at 19 and holding his rights for 2 years mean at 21 he isn't eligible for the draft? I don't know the rules that well but that is what I would suspect