James Tanner: NHL Awards Jump the Shark - ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (double Fonzie reference).

You should probably consider proof reading your blogs before you post them. Just a friendly heads up.

Bitter?

Bitter?
- devias69

Yup. Most definitely.

James Tanner: NHL Awards Jump the Shark -
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (double Fonzie reference).
- James_Tanner

Hi iggy.

Yup. Most definitely.
- MaximumBone

more stoopid imho

He won a cup with Boston, and after what, two years? He gets Edmonton a full team, a relevant goaltender, and decent defense... they came within one game of defeating one of the best teams in the league, especially late in the season... contrast this with Washington who lives and dies on Ovie's performance... Edmonton did not live and die on McDavid cuz they had different players playing different hero roles.

He trades Phil Kessel cuz he was acting diva... gets two picks which turn into Dougie Hamilton and Tyler Seguin. Pretty good return if you ask me.

He trades Seguin cuz he turns out to be a bad character (and look at how Dallas has succeeded with him).

He trades Hall because Hall was his most marketable asset that he could actually turn into a return that wouldn't rip him off... gets a first pairing defenseman that actually knows how to play defense (DARES to make the move that his predecessors refused to do because they were too chicken).

NJ was almost in the playoffs with Larsson, a decent goaltender who looked awfully mortal without him, and a bunch of 2nd/3rd/4th liners on their team... this year, they win the draft lottery and were the worst team in the last half of the season, and Hall was doing with them what he was with Edmonton: scoring, but not winning... while with Larsson, among other solid pickups, Edmonton was playing pretty well down the stretch and pretty much just got stronger as a team as the season wore on. Maybe they're overpaying Lucic, but other than that, it's extremely hard to argue with the results. Maybe if that second line did more (all players he inherited)...

You punch the wall, but the wall is barely dented and your fists are getting bloodied.

I mean... are YOU trolling?

You should probably consider proof reading your blogs before you post them. Just a friendly heads up.
- BetterCallSaul

Why be so smarmy? If there's a typo, I always appreciate a heads up.

But I just went through it and corrected a suffix, added a single s and a hyphen - all in the last paragraph.

It's entirely possible that I missed some more - it is notoriously hard to edit something you just wrote - and I'd be happy to make any changes you might point out.

Pretty sad life you must live though, that you'd act like this over three minor typos in the last paragraph of a blog.

Wow Tanner, you just tore Chiarelli to pieces.

I agree with you, he probably shouldn't have got a nomination...there was more than a handful of GM's that guided their organization in a more beneficial direction than he did this year. But he's DEFINITELY not as bad as you're describing!

There is also more than likely more ghost factors at play. NHL politics definitely play a role in these insignificant annual awards.

Anyways...

Why do you hate him so much?

Coming from one of the most credible and respected bloggers around... this one stings.

That's why he gets the job done he isn't sitting at home blogging crap about people who got nothing to do with being a GM Good luck on being hired for the next GM job

If Seguin took the hit Eriksson did we would look at trade differently. Plus the Bruins were over the cap after the lock out. Somebody had to go.

Edmontons biggest problem was RNH and Eberle being useless in the playoffs. Two hold overs. But sure. Cherry pick your narrative.

Wikileaks? Do go on.

With Chia's track record, he will be due to trade McDavid or Draisaitl in a year or two. Maybe even both? How's that for a story, you read it here first

I agree that having this award given to a gm regarding the year just over is silly. If they are going to do that, they should just give it to whoever wins the cup each year...

As the saying goes, "hindsight is 20/20", and it's not always clear to us right away which moves are going to have the biggest possible positive impact moving forward.

He won a cup with Boston, and after what, two years? He gets Edmonton a full team, a relevant goaltender, and decent defense... they came within one game of defeating one of the best teams in the league, especially late in the season... contrast this with Washington who lives and dies on Ovie's performance... Edmonton did not live and die on McDavid cuz they had different players playing different hero roles.

He trades Phil Kessel cuz he was acting diva... gets two picks which turn into Dougie Hamilton and Tyler Seguin. Pretty good return if you ask me.

He trades Seguin cuz he turns out to be a bad character (and look at how Dallas has succeeded with him).

He trades Hall because Hall was his most marketable asset that he could actually turn into a return that wouldn't rip him off... gets a first pairing defenseman that actually knows how to play defense (DARES to make the move that his predecessors refused to do because they were too chicken).

NJ was almost in the playoffs with Larsson, a decent goaltender who looked awfully mortal without him, and a bunch of 2nd/3rd/4th liners on their team... this year, they win the draft lottery and were the worst team in the last half of the season, and Hall was doing with them what he was with Edmonton: scoring, but not winning... while with Larsson, among other solid pickups, Edmonton was playing pretty well down the stretch and pretty much just got stronger as a team as the season wore on. Maybe they're overpaying Lucic, but other than that, it's extremely hard to argue with the results. Maybe if that second line did more (all players he inherited)...

You punch the wall, but the wall is barely dented and your fists are getting bloodied.

I mean... are YOU trolling?
- archromat

You're right. Taylor Hall was the problem in Edmonton, and is the problem in New Jersey. He's a curse.

And you're right, Tyler Seguin is the reason Dallas stinks.

Without lucking into McDavid, Chiarelli wouldn't even be nominated, because Edmonton would have likely missed the playoffs - again.

Come on James...there were many many more trades in the NHL's history worse than Hall for Larsson.

You're right. Taylor Hall was the problem in Edmonton, and is the problem in New Jersey. He's a curse.

And you're right, Tyler Seguin is the reason Dallas stinks.

Without lucking into McDavid, Chiarelli wouldn't even be nominated, because Edmonton would have likely missed the playoffs - again.
- TommyHawk

Youre right on your 2nd point...lbut there have been rumblings about Hallsy being a poopty team mate for years around here. Who knows if they are true or not, alot of bullpoop gets passed along as fact, but there may indeed have been a problem.

He won a cup with Boston, and after what, two years? He gets Edmonton a full team, a relevant goaltender, and decent defense... they came within one game of defeating one of the best teams in the league, especially late in the season... contrast this with Washington who lives and dies on Ovie's performance... Edmonton did not live and die on McDavid cuz they had different players playing different hero roles.
- archromat

Actually Chiarelli was in Boston since 2006 and won a cup in 2011. Personally I think he deserves more credit for this cup since he was there as long as he was, since it means most of the team would have been there due to his moves.

He trades Phil Kessel cuz he was acting diva... gets two picks which turn into Dougie Hamilton and Tyler Seguin. Pretty good return if you ask me.
- archromat

How was Kessel acting like a diva? By needing a new contract and being a good player that would need a raise?
I think what Tanner was saying about that trade was that noone knew what those picks would turn into, but I think I do disagree on that argument. Chiarelli bet on the fact TO would suck the next two years, while Burke bet that they would be good and Chia won that bet.

He trades Seguin cuz he turns out to be a bad character (and look at how Dallas has succeeded with him).
- archromat

This is just such a load of bullpoop its amazing anyone still believes it. Seguin was a young superstar in the making that won the Stanley cup in his rookie season, of course he was living it up a bit. He clearly already had the skill and maybe just needed a year or two to mature mentally. You don't trade guys like that for Loui Eriksson... It was a massively stupid trade. Have you ever seen the video on youtube that is a complete filming of the meeting Chia and his gang of yes men had when they decided to make that deal. Just moronic.

Seguin is having a lot of success in Dallas with Jamie Benn. He's been a ppg player 3 out of his 4 years and dipped a bit this year, but still finished with 72 points. I'm not going to get into all the advanced stats, but lets face it, any player that is in their prime and putting up ppg numbers is extremely valuable. Just cause Seguin hasn't won another cup while in Dallas doesn't somehow mean Chiarelli was right to trade him.

He trades Hall because Hall was his most marketable asset that he could actually turn into a return that wouldn't rip him off... gets a first pairing defenseman that actually knows how to play defense (DARES to make the move that his predecessors refused to do because they were too chicken).

NJ was almost in the playoffs with Larsson, a decent goaltender who looked awfully mortal without him, and a bunch of 2nd/3rd/4th liners on their team... this year, they win the draft lottery and were the worst team in the last half of the season, and Hall was doing with them what he was with Edmonton: scoring, but not winning... while with Larsson, among other solid pickups, Edmonton was playing pretty well down the stretch and pretty much just got stronger as a team as the season wore on. Maybe they're overpaying Lucic, but other than that, it's extremely hard to argue with the results. Maybe if that second line did more (all players he inherited)...

- archromat

This trade is starting to seem a little less lopsided considering how well Larsson has done in Edmonton, but I agree with Tanner that a lot of their success is simply having a healthy team, not the amazing pickup of Lucic and trade of Hall for Larsson. The goal tending may have been the best move Chia made. I never really thought Talbot was that good, but he's been great for Edmonton.

As for Hall, he's a great player, but he's only one guy that can't make NJ good all by himself. It's like the idiots that used to complain about Kessel and how he "doesn't have what it takes to win" or he "has no heart", or he "doesn't show up when it counts" back when he was in Boston and TO. Funny enough, when discussing trading Seguin, Chia and gang basically said the same about Seguin.
What happened to Kessel when he was traded to a rather talented Pittsburgh team? Did he just coast and let Crosby and Malkin do all the work? No, he was almost ppg in the playoffs and was a big part of them winning a cup his very first year there. "Has no heart" my ass. He had a good case for the Conn Smythe, but they gave it to Crosby instead. Oh yeah, he's ppg in the playoffs this year too.

You punch the wall, but the wall is barely dented and your fists are getting bloodied.

I mean... are YOU trolling?
- archromat

Honestly, how/why is this clown allowed to post his mindless BS on this site?

Kind of funny that he implies The people who voted for Chiarelli are akin to Trump supporters and every blog this guy posts I imagine a self deluded foppy haired mofo punching keys one at a time with his tongue out... That yells at his computer that everyone is treating him poorly and how awesome he really is even if noone else sees it his way.

Mact actually did alot of the heavy lifting for the organization, and doesn't get any love.
but pc had a vision for the team he thought could be more competitive and he executed it. And its worked thus far. Doubt he shoulda been nominated, but I don't think he's a poor gm by any stretch.

Maroon was a great pickup.

I like the lucic deal thus far. Might be ugly in the last few years, but dude is only 28 still, and this past year the deal was pretty much a homerun considering everything he brought to the table and did. Sure we can predict, but it's gotta be considered a success until it actually no longer is..

Talbot mightve been the most impactful acquisition of the last offseason.

Still don't like the Larsson deal on pure value, but it doesn't look like there was much out there when more information came to light. and he helped solidify our defence significantly. The trade isn't as lopsided as you suggest in terms of the oilers needs. He's a quality defender. And on a beauty contract.

Kassian was a solid piece

He got sekera his first season which gave us another decent top 4 piece along with oscar.

Benning, caggiula both quality college signings

Etc

I dunno, he transformed this team into one that can play many styles and went from 29th to almost beating one of the leagues best. I think he can certainly be accused of paying too high a cost when he wants a certain piece and might be too impetuous to get those deals done. But I also think he really understands what kind of team can win in this league better than many gms do. Just my opinion though.

Of course Connor is by far the biggest reason for it all. Zero argument there. But the team surrounding him built by pc is now a factor going forward. He deserves some credit for that imo

- MaximumBone

Mact actually did alot of the heavy lifting for the organization, and doesn't get any love.
but pc had a vision for the team he thought could be more competitive and he executed it. And its worked thus far. Doubt he shoulda been nominated, but I don't think he's a poor gm by any stretch.

Maroon was a great pickup.

I like the lucic deal thus far. Might be ugly in the last few years, but dude is only 28 still, and this past year the deal was pretty much a homerun considering everything he brought to the table and did. Sure we can predict, but it's gotta be considered a success until it actually no longer is..

Talbot mightve been the most impactful acquisition of the last offseason.

Still don't like the Larsson deal on pure value, but it doesn't look like there was much out there when more information came to light. and he helped solidify our defence significantly. The trade isn't as lopsided as you suggest in terms of the oilers needs. He's a quality defender. And on a beauty contract.

Kassian was a solid piece

He got sekera his first season which gave us another decent top 4 piece along with oscar.

Benning, caggiula both quality college signings

Etc

I dunno, he transformed this team into one that can play many styles and went from 29th to almost beating one of the leagues best. I think he can certainly be accused of paying too high a cost when he wants a certain piece and might be too impetuous to get those deals done. But I also think he really understands what kind of team can win in this league better than many gms do. Just my opinion though.

Of course Connor is by far the biggest reason for it all. Zero argument there. But the team surrounding him built by pc is now a factor going forward. He deserves some credit for that imo
- HB77

You are still the best Goddamned poster on Hockeybuzz.

Mact actually did alot of the heavy lifting for the organization, and doesn't get any love.
but pc had a vision for the team he thought could be more competitive and he executed it. And its worked thus far. Doubt he shoulda been nominated, but I don't think he's a poor gm by any stretch.

Maroon was a great pickup.

I like the lucic deal thus far. Might be ugly in the last few years, but dude is only 28 still, and this past year the deal was pretty much a homerun considering everything he brought to the table and did. Sure we can predict, but it's gotta be considered a success until it actually no longer is..

Talbot mightve been the most impactful acquisition of the last offseason.

Still don't like the Larsson deal on pure value, but it doesn't look like there was much out there when more information came to light. and he helped solidify our defence significantly. The trade isn't as lopsided as you suggest in terms of the oilers needs. He's a quality defender. And on a beauty contract.

Kassian was a solid piece

He got sekera his first season which gave us another decent top 4 piece along with oscar.

Benning, caggiula both quality college signings

Etc

I dunno, he transformed this team into one that can play many styles and went from 29th to almost beating one of the leagues best. I think he can certainly be accused of paying too high a cost when he wants a certain piece and might be too impetuous to get those deals done. But I also think he really understands what kind of team can win in this league better than many gms do. Just my opinion though.

Of course Connor is by far the biggest reason for it all. Zero argument there. But the team surrounding him built by pc is now a factor going forward. He deserves some credit for that imo
- HB77

I don't just see this nomination as only considering this year. It is a culmination of the last 2 years.

In that time PC took a team finishing at the bottom of the league to a top 10 team.

He did this by:

Trading for a legitimate starting goalie.

Totally revamping the defense to the point that only Klefbom and Nurse are remaining from the defense from before his tenure.

He has completely retooled the bottom 6 and added integral players to the top 6.

I think he is deserves the nomination as much as the other 2.

JT is just an idiot.