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GARTH'S CORNER
Buffalo Sabres
Location: @SabresBuzz
Joined: 09.15.2005

May 16 @ 8:47 PM ET
GARTH'S CORNER: Botterill's Up
BernardShakey
Joined: 08.16.2016

May 16 @ 9:10 PM ET
New GM, same old recycled Evander Kane for elite young Defenseman trade proposals. Sorry, but Kane is too inconsistent, too injury prone and too much of a head case. Not to mention he is one year from being a UFA.

Former number one overall pick Taylor Hall was dealt last year and only fetched decent young D man. Hall had term left on his deal
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

May 16 @ 9:20 PM ET
When Kane isn't traded for a top pair dman can u give up your blog?

Please tell me why the flyers trade one of those d u mentioned for the 8th overall pick ? I ask you again please tell me.
-JCDC-
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 01.14.2014

May 16 @ 11:30 PM ET



Someone get on the Tweeter and tell Slayer to sue ol' Ville into financial jail.
VT001
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.29.2016

May 16 @ 11:45 PM ET
Yes we shouldn't listen to the sports radio shows who have actually contacts and insiders. We should listen to you.

You are not getting a top defensemen for Kane.

Kane value is like Tyler Bozak to the leafs, who by the way has a better career ppg then Kane. They simply have more value to the team then any trade asset you will get from them. Honestly what can the leafs get for Bozak? A 2nd? Maybe a team desperate for a depth center gives a very late 1st if the leafs are lucky, but I doubt it, so I think a 2nd max. The chance of that becoming a better player is slim, so unless you need the cap space, you keep him until the contract finishes and take it from there.

I'm sure there are teams interested in Kane, but I doubt they will give up any good assets. They will offer garbage or wait until next season and give him an offer. Now does Buffalo cut their loses and trade him for scraps? Do they make him play out his contract? Or do they continue investing in him by giving him an extension and hope he has cleaned up his act? I don't know, that is what new GM has to figure out. What I do know is that Kane is not bring back a top defensemen unless you are sending some other major asset with him.


sabresfan69
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 06.26.2007

May 17 @ 12:38 AM ET
Yes we shouldn't listen to the sports radio shows who have actually contacts and insiders. We should listen to you.

You are not getting a top defensemen for Kane.

Kane value is like Tyler Bozak to the leafs, who by the way has a better career ppg then Kane. They simply have more value to the team then any trade asset you will get from them. Honestly what can the leafs get for Bozak? A 2nd? Maybe a team desperate for a depth center gives a very late 1st if the leafs are lucky, but I doubt it, so I think a 2nd max. The chance of that becoming a better player is slim, so unless you need the cap space, you keep him until the contract finishes and take it from there.

I'm sure there are teams interested in Kane, but I doubt they will give up any good assets. They will offer garbage or wait until next season and give him an offer. Now does Buffalo cut their loses and trade him for scraps? Do they make him play out his contract? Or do they continue investing in him by giving him an extension and hope he has cleaned up his act? I don't know, that is what new GM has to figure out. What I do know is that Kane is not bring back a top defensemen unless you are sending some other major asset with him.

- VT001

Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

May 17 @ 1:04 AM ET

- sabresfan69

djc1877
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Melbourne, FL
Joined: 02.13.2010

May 17 @ 1:47 AM ET
Due to the expansion draft situation for the Anaheim Ducks (along with their impressive depth on the blueline), I actually think a Kane for Fowler deal really makes sense for both teams. Both players are looking for big contracts in a year from now and the Ducks have the depth that would allow them to part with Fowler, while also needing to protect Bieksa (NMC, if not bought out), Lindholm and Vatanen. The Sabres have 2 defensemen worth protecting (Risto and McCabe), so a third (Fowler or another) fits perfectly into the 7-3-1 protection scenario. I'm not saying it will happen, but both players are coming off of their best seasons in a long time and both have only 1 year left on their respective contracts and are looking for big-time extensions... while both of their clubs have reason to not want/need to make long-term and big dollar commitments to them AND expansion draft situations making the deal plausible.

Another scenario that I believe would work (maybe with secondary assets involved, as well) is the Reinhart for Hanifin idea. Botterill also has no ties to Sam and he clearly values skating above other skills, which happens to be Sam's weakness IMO.

On another note, I am certainly no fan of Leino and his time in Buffalo. However, that being said... the drawing he is showing makes me concerned for his mental well-being. If a child were to draw images like those in a class after their parents divorced or something along those lines, I believe there would be concern and possibly the need for suicidal ideation counseling. I hope this clothing line gives him a means of expressing himself and he gets help, if he still needs it. I'm serious, this guy was clearly in a bad state of mind during his time with the team and that is what it is (in hindsight)... but terrible hockey performance or not, life is bigger than the game.
BernardShakey
Joined: 08.16.2016

May 17 @ 6:04 AM ET
Due to the expansion draft situation for the Anaheim Ducks (along with their impressive depth on the blueline), I actually think a Kane for Fowler deal really makes sense for both teams. Both players are looking for big contracts in a year from now and the Ducks have the depth that would allow them to part with Fowler, while also needing to protect Bieksa (NMC, if not bought out), Lindholm and Vatanen. The Sabres have 2 defensemen worth protecting (Risto and McCabe), so a third (Fowler or another) fits perfectly into the 7-3-1 protection scenario. I'm not saying it will happen, but both players are coming off of their best seasons in a long time and both have only 1 year left on their respective contracts and are looking for big-time extensions... while both of their clubs have reason to not want/need to make long-term and big dollar commitments to them AND expansion draft situations making the deal plausible.

Another scenario that I believe would work (maybe with secondary assets involved, as well) is the Reinhart for Hanifin idea. Botterill also has no ties to Sam and he clearly values skating above other skills, which happens to be Sam's weakness IMO.

On another note, I am certainly no fan of Leino and his time in Buffalo. However, that being said... the drawing he is showing makes me concerned for his mental well-being. If a child were to draw images like those in a class after their parents divorced or something along those lines, I believe there would be concern and possibly the need for suicidal ideation counseling. I hope this clothing line gives him a means of expressing himself and he gets help, if he still needs it. I'm serious, this guy was clearly in a bad state of mind during his time with the team and that is what it is (in hindsight)... but terrible hockey performance or not, life is bigger than the game.

- djc1877


Yes, the Ducks do appear to be in a bit of a pickle with the number of quality D men on their roster and the looming expansion draft. However, your argument assumes the Sabres would be the only suiter for the likes of Fowler, Manson, Montour or Despres. I can assure you they are not. Besides, the Ducks are in a tough spot with the Salary Cap. So they can`t afford another 5M+ forward. Any deal for one of these one D men will be for young players and or picks. Not some soon to be 26 yr old, with a history of injuries and off ice issues.

However, your Hanifan for Reinhart deal is a proposal that makes some sense. Canes are D rich and look to strengthen their forwards. Young asset for young asset. Not your typical trade proposal from this blog. you know, those that see great young players traded for table scraps from the Sabres, (Ennis, Moulson, Georges and to a lesser degree, Kane)

I think you are unqualified to read into the meaning of Leino's art. Stick to your day job
Popcorn Kid
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 02.21.2008

May 17 @ 8:21 AM ET
"30 Thoughts" piece was dedicated to the Sabres this week. Get used to it, Sabres fans.
ShowMeSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.17.2017

May 17 @ 9:26 AM ET
Tell us what Tocchet had for dinner last night since you're so far up his south end. Give it a rest will ya?
sliprock65
Joined: 08.20.2010

May 17 @ 10:07 AM ET

Talk about jail. Leino should have been arrested for grand larceny for stealing $27 million from the Sabres.


Yeah ok, then GMTM (your idol for all these years) should have been committed into an institution for signing him.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

May 17 @ 12:08 PM ET
New GM, same old recycled Evander Kane for elite young Defenseman trade proposals. Sorry, but Kane is too inconsistent, too injury prone and too much of a head case. Not to mention he is one year from being a UFA.

Former number one overall pick Taylor Hall was dealt last year and only fetched decent young D man. Hall had term left on his deal

- BernardShakey


kane is burrency. get you used to it
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

May 17 @ 12:11 PM ET
Yeah ok, then GMTM (your idol for all these years) should have been committed into an institution for signing him.
- sliprock65


Darcy signed him. That is all.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 17 @ 12:16 PM ET
Proof read your sloppy-ass blog.

Also...


Trading Kane in exchange for a top three D-man or a blue chip D prospect is not out of the question.

Botterill didn't trade for Kane. That was Murray’s conquest. In my opinion, Kane’s days in Buffalo are numbered. I can see Botterill flipping Kane for a top pair D.


Stop with this.
-JCDC-
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 01.14.2014

May 17 @ 12:22 PM ET
"30 Thoughts" piece was dedicated to the Sabres this week. Get used to it, Sabres fans.
- Popcorn Kid


What does that mean? He only focuses on cellar dwellars? Please elaborate
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 17 @ 12:39 PM ET
What does that mean? He only focuses on cellar dwellars? Please elaborate
- -JCDC-


I don't think there is any way of reliably determining what this actually means.

It is random.

Jammerz04
Buffalo Sabres
Location: K, BC
Joined: 01.03.2014

May 17 @ 2:13 PM ET

When Kane isn't traded for a top pair dman can u give up your blog?

Please tell me why the flyers trade one of those d u mentioned for the 8th overall pick ? I ask you again please tell me.


The guy said a top 3. That's easily attainable in a trade for Kane.

Why wouldn't the Flyers trade for the 8th pick? They get another good prospect and get rid of a player on a packed blue line.
Jammerz04
Buffalo Sabres
Location: K, BC
Joined: 01.03.2014

May 17 @ 2:15 PM ET
You didn't tell us poop.

Hockey analysts told us before you. Then you try to make it sound like you broke the news. You're ridiculous.
Larsson_fan
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.08.2016

May 17 @ 2:32 PM ET
Due to the expansion draft situation for the Anaheim Ducks (along with their impressive depth on the blueline), I actually think a Kane for Fowler deal really makes sense for both teams. Both players are looking for big contracts in a year from now and the Ducks have the depth that would allow them to part with Fowler, while also needing to protect Bieksa (NMC, if not bought out), Lindholm and Vatanen. The Sabres have 2 defensemen worth protecting (Risto and McCabe), so a third (Fowler or another) fits perfectly into the 7-3-1 protection scenario. I'm not saying it will happen, but both players are coming off of their best seasons in a long time and both have only 1 year left on their respective contracts and are looking for big-time extensions... while both of their clubs have reason to not want/need to make long-term and big dollar commitments to them AND expansion draft situations making the deal plausible.

Another scenario that I believe would work (maybe with secondary assets involved, as well) is the Reinhart for Hanifin idea. Botterill also has no ties to Sam and he clearly values skating above other skills, which happens to be Sam's weakness IMO.

On another note, I am certainly no fan of Leino and his time in Buffalo. However, that being said... the drawing he is showing makes me concerned for his mental well-being. If a child were to draw images like those in a class after their parents divorced or something along those lines, I believe there would be concern and possibly the need for suicidal ideation counseling. I hope this clothing line gives him a means of expressing himself and he gets help, if he still needs it. I'm serious, this guy was clearly in a bad state of mind during his time with the team and that is what it is (in hindsight)... but terrible hockey performance or not, life is bigger than the game.

- djc1877


Just because his art is dark doesn't make him nuts. You probably think all punks, Goths and metal heads need psychic evaluation too, don't you , ya square?
The Don
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Glasgow, VA
Joined: 02.03.2007

May 17 @ 5:50 PM ET
New GM, same old recycled Evander Kane for elite young Defenseman trade proposals. Sorry, but Kane is too inconsistent, too injury prone and too much of a head case. Not to mention he is one year from being a UFA.

Former number one overall pick Taylor Hall was dealt last year and only fetched decent young D man. Hall had term left on his deal

- BernardShakey

New Garth blog, same old recycled comments from posters.
The Don
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Glasgow, VA
Joined: 02.03.2007

May 17 @ 5:51 PM ET
When Kane isn't traded for a top pair dman can u give up your blog?

Please tell me why the flyers trade one of those d u mentioned for the 8th overall pick ? I ask you again please tell me.

- rinaldo

When Garth doesn't give you the time of day, can you give up making comments in his thread?
The Don
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Glasgow, VA
Joined: 02.03.2007

May 17 @ 5:54 PM ET
Proof read your sloppy-ass blog.

Also...




Stop with this.

- Aetherial

Garth will never proof read.

Garth will always have crazy trade proposals.

Garth is after all, Garth.
BernardShakey
Joined: 08.16.2016

May 17 @ 6:27 PM ET
New Garth blog, same old recycled comments from posters.
- The Don


Correct.
Same old nonsensical trade proposals
Same old rational rebuttals of nonsensical trade proposals
Same old Sabre fans trying to spin some sense into these nonsensical trade proposals
Same old Garth sycophants chiming in, adding no argument
rinaldo
Joined: 05.10.2011

May 17 @ 6:55 PM ET
The guy said a top 3. That's easily attainable in a trade for Kane.

Why wouldn't the Flyers trade for the 8th pick? They get another good prospect and get rid of a player on a packed blue line.

- Jammerz04

They wouldn't as those guys further along in development, trading one for a pick in a weak draft sets them back.

If they move a dman it will be for a comparable young forward

Dman are in demand and free agent to be doesn't get u a top 3. Dman
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