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When will they put Ceci on the third pairing?

When will they put Ceci on the third pairing?
- Ottawa Fan

Other than not putting points up like we all know he can. I haven't minded Ceci, he's logging some long minutes and doing the right things. I think if he is still here when Chabot gets here. He may be moved down because Chabot is going to be a top 4D for sure. (yes I know they play different sides)

Other than not putting points up like we all know he can. I haven't minded Ceci, he's logging some long minutes and doing the right things. I think if he is still here when Chabot gets here. He may be moved down because Chabot is going to be a top 4D for sure. (yes I know they play different sides)
- Maverick1818

Did you catch this:

the Devils out-attempted the Senators 36-6 and out-chanced them 16-1 with Cody Ceci on the ice in 5-on-5 situations

He's been terrible

Did you catch this:

the Devils out-attempted the Senators 36-6 and out-chanced them 16-1 with Cody Ceci on the ice in 5-on-5 situations

He's been terrible
- Ottawa Fan

Sounds like a decent AHL player to me.

When will they put Ceci on the third pairing?
- Ottawa Fan

He'll be playing for Avs 2nd pairing after trade deadline.


To Ottawa: Matt Duchene, 2017 2nd round pick

To Colorado: Cody Ceci, JG Pageau, 2017 1st round pick & Gabriel Gange

Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Brassard - Turris - Ryan
Dzingel - Smith - Pyatt
Wingels - Kelly - Lazar/ Neil

He'll be playing for Avs 2nd pairing after trade deadline.


To Ottawa: Matt Duchene, 2017 2nd round pick

To Colorado: Cody Ceci, JG Pageau, 2017 1st round pick & Gabriel Gange
- Erik6Karlsson5

The rumoured principle pieces involved is the 2017 1st rounder, Colin White, and Ceci. With the teams still talking about additional pieces

Avs are not giving up their 2nd rounder. You guys are delusional if you think the Avs would have to add a 31-34th pick in the draft to get what you proposed that from the Sens.

And who is Ceci;s spot on the right side is he taking? Johnson or Barrie bc hes not better than either of those guys and wouldnt be on the 2nd pairing

The rumoured principle pieces involved is the 2017 1st rounder, Colin White, and Ceci. With the teams still talking about additional pieces

Avs are not giving up their 2nd rounder. You guys are delusional if you think the Avs would have to add a 31-34th pick in the draft to get what you proposed that from the Sens.

And who is Ceci;s spot on the right side is he taking? Johnson or Barrie bc hes not better than either of those guys and wouldnt be on the 2nd pairing
- DDM-Coga

I like people that post openly so I don't have a problem with it.

Also I'd like to see Landeskog + Barrie ....with White being part of the deal. For some reason Ceci isn't playing close to his potential - but he's far from Lazar's value drop.

Colin White is a solid prospect - real solid. If the Sens trade him I hope it's for Duchene

I like people that post openly so I don't have a problem with it.

Also I'd like to see Landeskog + Barrie ....with White being part of the deal. For some reason Ceci isn't playing close to his potential - but he's far from Lazar's value drop.

Colin White is a solid prospect - real solid. If the Sens trade him I hope it's for Duchene
- AlfieisKing

Of course you dont have a problem with it bc you are delusional when it comes to the value of Sens assets

What in the world could you possibly throw out there to get both Landy and Barrie. That would be 1st, Chabot, White, and pieces on top of pieces.

Ceci is Average, I have told you time and time again there is nothing special about him. Hes not bad but hes not a stud. Hes a fringe 2nd pairing Dman at this point playing over +250 games.

Its no longer potential with him, he is probably what he is now

Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Brassard - Turris - Ryan
Dzingel - Smith - Pyatt
Wingels - Kelly - Lazar/ Neil
- Erik6Karlsson5

Would be interesting to see Brassard on wing. I'd like to play Duchene on LW.....ofcourse you can play around with lines all day....

Duchene - Turris - Stone
Hoffman - Brassard - Ryan
Dzingel - Pageau - Pyatt
Kelly - Wingels - Neil/i]

Of course you dont have a problem with it bc you are delusional when it comes to the value of Sens assets

What in the world could you possibly throw out there to get both Landy and Barrie. That would be 1st, Chabot, White, and pieces on top of pieces.

Ceci is Average, I have told you time and time again there is nothing special about him. Hes not bad but hes not a stud. Hes a fringe 2nd pairing Dman at this point playing over +250 games.

Its no longer potential with him, he is probably what he is now
- DDM-Coga

1) can you do anything besides crap all over someone?

2) Delusional... and then you have Chabot AND White in the same trade proposal. There's not way Chabot is being traded unless it is Duchene and guess what? White won't be going with him Their top prospects that are developing like blue chips. The only problem is the Sens need to compete now before the contracts of Stone, Turris, and Karlsson increase by 30-50% more

3) I agree with Ceci; his play has been much below his play from last year and where it should (and will be) going forward

1) can you do anything besides crap all over someone?

2) Delusional... and then you have Chabot AND White in the same trade proposal. There's not way Chabot is being traded unless it is Duchene and guess what? White won't be going with him Their top prospects that are developing like blue chips. The only problem is the Sens need to compete now before the contracts of Stone, Turris, and Karlsson increase by 30-50% more

3) I don't disagree with being above average but his play has been much below his play from last year and where it should (and will be) going forward
- AlfieisKing

I have to crap on you bc you never listen, you just keep living in a fantasy land when it comes to Sens players. When everyone tells you Ceci is average, you go on how hes a top pairing stud. When we say Lazar is a bust you say how he was 1st round pick. They aren't good, but you never say youre right. Like how you said Lehner will be elite like Rask and Cowen was following the same mold of Chara. You dont have a grasp on sens players in terms of how they stack up across the league.

You asked for Landeskog and Barrie. 2 top end talents who are signed for 3-4 years. And you think you would get them for peanuts? Avs are asking 3-4 pieces for Landeskog, which includes a young Dman. You think they would move Barrie for peanuts too? Give your head a shake man. Lazar and Ceci isnt going to get those 2

I hope the Sens dont get Duchene bc you dont deserve him. You think that Dutchy who is a top end C talent, excels at C, who is over 60% on face offs this year....yeah move him to the LW. You honestly have no clue how good other players are and live in a bubble thinking Sens players are a 100 times better than they actually are compared to the rest of the league

Ceci should be on the third pairing where there is less pressure for him to develop. Why not throw Wideman with Phaneuf for a little while?

I have to crap on you bc you never listen, you just keep living in a fantasy land when it comes to Sens players. When everyone tells you Ceci is average, you go on how hes a top pairing stud. When we say Lazar is a bust you say how he was 1st round pick. They aren't good, but you never say youre right. Like how you said Lehner will be elite like Rask and Cowen was following the same mold of Chara. You dont have a grasp on sens players in terms of how they stack up across the league.

You asked for Landeskog and Barrie. 2 top end talents who are signed for 3-4 years. And you think you would get them for peanuts? Avs are asking 3-4 pieces for Landeskog, which includes a young Dman. You think they would move Barrie for peanuts too? Give your head a shake man. Lazar and Ceci isnt going to get those 2

I hope the Sens dont get Duchene bc you dont deserve him. You think that Dutchy who is a top end C talent, excels at C, who is over 60% on face offs this year....yeah move him to the LW. You honestly have no clue how good other players are and live in a bubble thinking Sens players are a 100 times better than they actually are compared to the rest of the league
- DDM-Coga

Wait. Are you hoping the Sens don't get Duchene because the franchise doesn't deserve him or AlfiesKing? Either way, that's a little silly.

Fan goggles happen. Very often actually. Comes with the territory of being a fan.

Personally, I'm all for Dorion going all in for Duchene. If the rumoured sticking point for a trade is Colin White (assuming Chabot is not included as well) then pull the trigger. There is very little chance for White to become better than what Duchene already is.

Other supporting pieces after the 1st rounder are not worth fussing over. An additional deal on deadline day to get a d-man to replace Ceci for the final few months can be made. It would kinda suck to lose him as he grew up here and all, but that's the business. I assume some other garbage on both sides would be included as well.

Most bothersome to me is that the Sens have had 2 or 3 chances to ring the Atlantic bell and have failed

Wait. Are you hoping the Sens don't get Duchene because the franchise doesn't deserve him or AlfiesKing? Either way, that's a little silly.

Fan goggles happen. Very often actually. Comes with the territory of being a fan.

Personally, I'm all for Dorion going all in for Duchene. If the rumoured sticking point for a trade is Colin White (assuming Chabot is not included as well) then pull the trigger. There is very little chance for White to become better than what Duchene already is.

Other supporting pieces after the 1st rounder are not worth fussing over. An additional deal on deadline day to get a d-man to replace Ceci for the final few months can be made. It would kinda suck to lose him as he grew up here and all, but that's the business. I assume some other garbage on both sides would be included as well.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Yup, I dont want Sens to get Duchene to see Alfie and his takes ruin one of my favourite Players in Avs history

........ When we say Lazar is a bust you say how he was 1st round pick. They aren't good, but you never say youre right. Like how you said Lehner will be elite like Rask and Cowen was following the same mold of Chara. You dont have a grasp on sens players in terms of how they stack up across the league.

You asked for Landeskog and Barrie. 2 top end talents who are signed for 3-4 years. And you think you would get them for peanuts? Avs are asking 3-4 pieces for Landeskog, which includes a young Dman. You think they would move Barrie for peanuts too? Give your head a shake man. Lazar and Ceci isnt going to get those 2

I hope the Sens dont get Duchene bc you dont deserve him. You think that Dutchy who is a top end C talent, excels at C, who is over 60% on face offs this year....yeah move him to the LW. You honestly have no clue how good other players are and live in a bubble thinking Sens players are a 100 times better than they actually are compared to the rest of the league
- DDM-Coga

Hmm ok first, I hear u on the over evaluation of former prospects. I will say that the Sens have seen many disappointing. I actually like your points sometimes, I just wish u could say them better to seduce me.

In all seriousness, Ceci IS NOT peanuts. He's a top 4D man on any team in the NHL and his speed, stick handling, and RIGHT SHOT make him valuable to GMs. Having said that he has under performed a lot this season the regression could be due to a loss of confidence and chemistry with Phaneuf (who has been solid this year). Lazar's value is garbage and the Sens should have kept him in the AHL rather than developing with Chris Neil on the 4th line and now he's playing like the puck is a grenade.

As for the Avs you can give me what your take is on those 3 players but the price is way to high for Duchene (who Zibanejad + Ceci + 2nd would have worked for) and Landeskog has fallen off in terms of production. I like his game but White and Chabot are top prospects right now. I wouldn't give either up for Landeskog but Duchene, Yes.

I would ask for Dzingel, White, Ceci, and a 1st would be enough; with Beauchemin coming back as a stop gap.

Yup, I dont want Sens to get Duchene to see Alfie and his takes ruin one of my favourite Players in Avs history
- DDM-Coga

really?

I like Duchene but what's your honest opinion about him? think he would score 30+ under Boucher's tight defensive system. Stamkos did - but thats stammer

really?

I like Duchene but what's your honest opinion about him? think he would score 30+ under Boucher's tight defensive system. Stamkos did - but thats stammer
- AlfieisKing

He would be the 2nd best Centre the Sens have ever had behind Spezza. You could even argue with his speed and explosive ability you have never had a Center like that in franchise history.

Hes a special player and as much as a 1C driver as there is. People look at the point totals this year and say his offensive ability is dropping yada yada yada.

But if you look at percentage of points of a teams Goals For. MacKinnon is 5th in the league and Duchene is 13th. He makes something like one 25%o f the teams offense as a whole (for reference MacKinnon is 30%...top in the league is close to 35% in crosby). So point is he scores at the pace as the best in the league, just that he is surrounded by garbage in Iginla, Comeau, etc etc for years now.

He would be the 2nd best Centre the Sens have ever had behind Spezza. You could even argue with his speed and explosive ability you have never had a Center like that in franchise history.
Hes a special player and as much as a 1C driver as there is. People look at the point totals this year and say his offensive ability is dropping yada yada yada.
- DDM-Coga

Wow, who's overvaluing players now? You know people have lost their path when they start talking in vague terms like 'special player'. Duchene is nowhere close to being as productive as either Spezza or Yashin were, and Turris has straight-up outscored him in 2 of the past 3 seasons. And your "% of a team's points" stat might actually mean something if Colorado wasn't by far the worst team in the NHL, with some of the worst offensive numbers in recent memory.

Duchene is a really good player and would probably be the #1C in Ottawa, but trying to make him out to be one of the elite centre in the NHL is just a crock of $hit.

Wow, who's overvaluing players now? You know people have lost their path when they start talking in vague terms like 'special player'. Duchene is nowhere close to being as productive as either Spezza or Yashin were, and Turris has straight-up outscored him in 2 of the past 3 seasons. And your "% of a team's points" stat might actually mean something if Colorado wasn't by far the worst team in the NHL, with some of the worst offensive numbers in recent memory.

Duchene is a really good player and would probably be the #1C in Ottawa, but trying to make him out to be one of the elite centre in the NHL is just a crock of $hit.
- khawk

If you think Turris is in the same league as Duchene, you are living in a fantasy land.

He is one of the top centres in the league, if you dont want to call him that, he is in the Top 20 and would be 1C on probably half the teams in this league. Cant remember the actual position but ill ball park it, but since 2012-13 Duchene is something like 11th or 12th in 5v5 production when it comes to all forwards in this league. The guy produces, just bc he doesnt have padded PP numbers (hes somewhere like 80th in PP points in that range), you think he doesnt have as strong as offensive ability. He is one of the best in the league when it comes to 5v5. The guy is a weapon

Where is Turris. He is somewhere around the 50th spot, 67 in PPP. So in summary Duchene has extremely more 5v5 points but slightly less PP points than Turris. Now who would you consider the more offensive gifted out of the two?

To even simplified it more, Duchene is at a 0.79 ppg in that period (0.75ppg career). Turris 0.68 ppg (0.58 ppg carrer).

Turris is fine but he is no Duchene

Ill admit I forgot about Yashin, but the fact still remains that if you had Dutchy on your team, he would be one of the most gifted offensive players you have ever had since Spezza.

To even simplified it more, Duchene is at a 0.79 ppg in that period (0.75ppg career). Turris 0.68 ppg (0.58 ppg carrer).
- DDM-Coga

To simplify it even more, no number you're going to fabricate is going to show that Duchene has produced at an elite level in the past 3 seasons. And I think you'd have to concede that 3 years is an awfully long time to be under-producing when you're in the supposed prime of your career. For reference, the PPG numbers for him and Turris over the past 3 years are 0.70 and 0.69 respectively... far closer than you seem willing to acknowledge, but neither is anything close to being among the league's best no matter how you slice it.

In short, you can stop using Duchene's production from 4-5 years ago to justify your arguments, because clearly many things have changed since the Avalanche were a 52W/112Pts team. And whoever trades for Duchene is going to be getting the 2016/17 version - a very good player, but a player that hasn't cracked 60pts in the past 3 years.