Ed Stein: Ducks Deadline Countdown + Vermette Hearing Date

Not sure if JVR for Vatanen is a fit. I think the leafs are looking for a player with more physical upside.

Not sure if JVR for Vatanen is a fit. I think the leafs are looking for a player with more physical upside.
- 50 Mission Cap

Not sure if JvR's contact fits with the Ducks long range plans.

I think Drouin's stock has continued to rise so not so sure Vats for Drouin straight up would get it done especially since Ducks would need to take back salary.

Maybe Palat+ for Vats if you are thinking Tampa.

Intrigued by the Landeskog rumors. At the beginning of the year, sounded like Landeskog for Lindholm was being discussed and Ducks said no thanks. Would Colorado lower the price for Vats plus a prospect?

I know he stated no rentals, but how about quincy (honestly a solid 5 6 has not been the problem In nj) and cammaleri half salary retained with stoner and a solid young d coming back too much do ask for Theodore? Cam could be a good secondary scorer for you at 2.5 isn't bad. Maybe njd throws in a second also?

We need young d you have alot. Just spit balling don't roast me please

I know he stated no rentals, but how about quincy (honestly a solid 5 6 has not been the problem In nj) and cammaleri half salary retained with stoner and a solid young d coming back too much do ask for Theodore? Cam could be a good secondary scorer for you at 2.5 isn't bad. Maybe njd throws in a second also?

We need young d you have alot. Just spit balling don't roast me please
- TwoPumpChump91

Make it a big spitball and lets talk Taylor Hall. Murray could pay the price of young talent and picks to get him.

Make it a big spitball and lets talk Taylor Hall. Murray could pay the price of young talent and picks to get him.
- Ed Stein

Lindholm and you got yourself a God damn deal!

Lindholm and you got yourself a God damn deal!
- TwoPumpChump91

Lindholm is the only defenseman that is a non-starter in trade talks.

I know he stated no rentals, but how about quincy (honestly a solid 5 6 has not been the problem In nj) and cammaleri half salary retained with stoner and a solid young d coming back too much do ask for Theodore? Cam could be a good secondary scorer for you at 2.5 isn't bad. Maybe njd throws in a second also?

We need young d you have alot. Just spit balling don't roast me please
- TwoPumpChump91

Tough to read the situation. Ducks have Fowler (rumors are they are going to extend him next year) and Lindholm on the left with Theodore and Larsson ready to make the full time jump most likely next year so guessing one will eventually get moved.

Since Theodore is draft exempt though, I wouldn't move him this year. I'd wait, plus if you did move him, I would look at someone like Drouin. Cammalleri is too old with our already older core.

Not sure if JvR's contact fits with the Ducks long range plans.
- Ed Stein

There is that. Also not sure how JVR would fit for the ducks in the Las Vegas draft.

I'm not so sure the Ducks are against the cap for next year. Assuming the cap stays the same (doubtful, but possible) about 5.7M comes off the books with Bernier and Thompson gone. Holzer also UFA and probably gone (or signs another team friendly contract). Despres is sadly done playing hockey, so his salary remains on LTIR, which frees up another 3+ million. Nobody on the team is due a large raise. I think we're fine salary wise. (note: assumption we're spending close to the cap, not operating on some internal budget that's lower.)

Where am I wrong here?

I'm not so sure the Ducks are against the cap for next year. Assuming the cap stays the same (doubtful, but possible) about 5.7M comes off the books with Bernier and Thompson gone. Holzer also UFA and probably gone (or signs another team friendly contract). Despres is sadly done playing hockey, so his salary remains on LTIR, which frees up another 3+ million. Nobody on the team is due a large raise. I think we're fine salary wise. (note: assumption we're spending close to the cap, not operating on some internal budget that's lower.)

Where am I wrong here?
- quackup

You can't asume whether or not Stoner and/or Despres will be on the books. I'm not sure what is happening with Despres, there has been very little info about his recovery. He may be done, he may not. Stoner's status is up in the air as well, but he is signed for $3.25M for next year. According to capfriendly.com, the Ducks will have apx $4.5M available. They will need a goalie and center to replace Thompson. Depending on the goalie, the Ducks will pay out $2-3M to fill those slots

I'm not so sure the Ducks are against the cap for next year. Assuming the cap stays the same (doubtful, but possible) about 5.7M comes off the books with Bernier and Thompson gone. Holzer also UFA and probably gone (or signs another team friendly contract). Despres is sadly done playing hockey, so his salary remains on LTIR, which frees up another 3+ million. Nobody on the team is due a large raise. I think we're fine salary wise. (note: assumption we're spending close to the cap, not operating on some internal budget that's lower.)

Where am I wrong here?
- quackup

Despres...where is your source ???? Holzer ??

In order of Preference - Landy from CO - Hall if NJ would consider it, you could forget 47 that is out / then Tampa with the stockpile of forwards - perhaps the Rangers -

I think the consensus is a top 6 winger whom can find the back of the net is what this team could use. I haven't seen the numbers on the cap situation, but apparently things are tight. Something, something, something, Stoner contract. Hahahaha

I'll leave that there. For me, I'm anticipating a move because of GM Bob Murray's comment to the media. I read he was over in Europe on a scouting trip on a piece over at thefourthperiod.com, but he's back in Anaheim now. She's no Ed Stein, but there were some interesting points.

I can buy into a "hockey" deal to bolster the forwards group and for extension draft planning. I think that's the best plan.

Despres...where is your source ???? Holzer ??
- rubberduckies

Holzer is UFA.

There's numerous articles regarding Simon Despres' concussion issues. Instead of listing all of them, here's a key sentence from a Hockey News article. As Murray said, though, the hope has to be not for Despres’ return to the ice, but for him to be able to live a “happy, healthy, normal life” away from the rink." Key words, "away from the rink." That says it all.

If I remember it correctly, Cogliano has a limited no movement clause. There are a number of teams he can select to go to. The guy wants to be here, and gives his heart every night. I'd hate to see him go. And I think it would be hard to figure out how to move him.

If I remember it correctly, Cogliano has a limited no movement clause. There are a number of teams he can select to go to. The guy wants to be here, and gives his heart every night. I'd hate to see him go. And I think it would be hard to figure out how to move him.
- yzermaneely

Completely agree about Cogs, just throwing out a scenario. Murray could put himself in position to rebuild on the fly, if he sees fit.

I hope the ducks make a big push for landeskog! Put a package of vatanen and thompson plus a pick or average prospect for landeskog and nieto. The trade according to cap geek will save the ducks about 200k. Montour is more than ready to step in for vats.

The new lines we could have would be amazing. I'd love to have ritchie/getz/perry and landeskog/rakell/kase silf/kes/cogs and cram/verm/nieto(boll...)

Just hope we dont trade any or many other top prospects we have. We could also trade Bernier and call up enroth to save some cap room

If I remember it correctly, Cogliano has a limited no movement clause. There are a number of teams he can select to go to. The guy wants to be here, and gives his heart every night. I'd hate to see him go. And I think it would be hard to figure out how to move him.
- yzermaneely

Trading Cogliano is stupid, as he does have a NTC and is a great guy to have around. Players like him that play 82 games regularly, average at least 40 points a year, have a cap friendly hit and step their game up in the playoffs is a crucial component to any successful team. Where would teams like Dallas be if they had a couple Coglianos?

The logjams been on defense. The void is up front.

Trading Cogliano is stupid, as he does have a NTC and is a great guy to have around. Players like him that play 82 games regularly, average at least 40 points a year, have a cap friendly hit and step their game up in the playoffs is a crucial component to any successful team. Where would teams like Dallas be if they had a couple Coglianos?

The logjams been on defense. The void is up front.
- IGotTheMemo

Agree.

Cogs does have a partial NTC, not complete. Breaking up the Cogs/Kes/Silf line would be a huge mistake imo. We need more players like Cogs on the team, one that gives 110% EVERY shift on the ice.

Stoner, Kossila and a 5th for Nieto. Makes the bottom 6 better, you dump the Stoner salary and Colorado gets a talent in Kossila + the pick.

Cogliano is the perfect player and worth his money. You know you have a solid top 9 guy who will play every game and a great PK player when you have him. Easy keep.

You didn't pro rate those numbers for the deadline. Also, expansion takes at the minimum Manson's salary off the books, since his is lowest. Despres career is sadly over. Garbutt also gone. For once, the Ducks actually have some tagging room, unlike the last few offseasons. They won't be able to trade Stoner (what a silly idea). Who would take him with another year on his contact? Also silly is trading Cogliano, who will still be RFA after his current deal, and therfore cost controlled. Nobody trades players away for nothing anymore, not in a cap world. It hasn't happened for years, why would you think Cogs and Vermette for cap space would happen this year?

Trading a defenseman makes all the sense in the world. Solves a cap problem this season and the expansion protection problem. This trade deadline basically writes itself. Don't over think it. Love the Thompson for Mitchell idea tho *thumbs up*. Great hockey trade.

Btw, I dont read into the issue but what is the news (or non news) that Despres career is over? Sad, very sad.
Is he doing ok personally?