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Sheng Peng
Joined: 11.17.2016

Feb 19 @ 5:17 PM ET
Sheng Peng: Dowd's Importance; Kempe & Carter; Budaj's Last Stand? LA needs Dowd on the power play...what Kempe (and fans) might learn from Carter...what does Budaj have left?
Ur Not Me
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 11.30.2008

Feb 19 @ 5:19 PM ET
Sheng Peng: Dowd's Importance; Kempe & Carter; Budaj's Last Stand?
LA needs Dowd on the power play...what Kempe (and fans) might learn from Carter...what does Budaj have left?

- Sheng Peng



Ur gonna burn out Budaj, should of traded for a better backup ......
CrothchHammer
Los Angeles Kings
Joined: 02.19.2017

Feb 19 @ 6:05 PM ET
Doesn't every story about the Kings need to start with DS and DL need to go?

DS = Can't change his ways no matter how many off season talks you have with him. Over play your goalie and burns him out, check. Granted they do not have many options with the Zac attack playing poorly, but to call out a goalie that you are riding into the ground when the defense and team have been less they amazing, pure DS gold.

Hate rookies, check. DS only plays rookies because he has to and he would rather have 10 Dwight Kings out there offering 0 value, then a rookie that may make some "rookie" mistakes, but have a much higher return in investment. Look at how all the rookie D started this year, they were with Green (should have been let go last season but he is a DS kinda guy...) or some other mediocre pairing. way later, Forbert with Drew and what do you know, Forby baby looks awesome.

Stubborn as one of his goats on the farm, check. Hey, we only have 1 good line 77, 70, 73. Let's never put them together, keep 70 in the basement for the first half of the season and tie the cement shoes of 74 with 77 and 73, they all have 70 number so it should be gold right?

DL - Some Kings conquered lands, some can rule there some can do both. No doubt DL was there when some magic happened, never mind some of the key pieces came from Mr. Taylor, but he systematically destroyed the future of the Kings.

Richards for you 2 best prospects and picks. I loved me some MR on Phily, but that was one of the most painful 1 sided trades in years. I am not talking about after the fact, but the second it happened. I can go on and on about this one.

Trading your 1st round picks in some awesome draft years for players you can't afford to pay, check. Over pay every player you have because you think you can grind out a cup every year for 7 years, check. Spend money one players you probably shouldn't with no plan on how you can afford 73 and 70, the future of the team, check. Run out of players you used (SJ, Philly...) to have in your system to bring over to the Kings and run out of ideas, check.

I can go on and on, but DS, DL need to go and take some of their mistakes with them.
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Feb 19 @ 7:05 PM ET
Ur gonna burn out Budaj, should of traded for a better backup ......
- Ur Not Me

Well, good thing for LAis that he is NOT the starter. Hes temporary. Kings aren't going anywhere this year. No need to trade for a goalie they already have. Whether Quick comes back this year or not. If they miss playoffs it's not the end of the world. Changes have to be made
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Feb 19 @ 7:07 PM ET
Doesn't every story about the Kings need to start with DS and DL need to go?

DS = Can't change his ways no matter how many off season talks you have with him. Over play your goalie and burns him out, check. Granted they do not have many options with the Zac attack playing poorly, but to call out a goalie that you are riding into the ground when the defense and team have been less they amazing, pure DS gold.

Hate rookies, check. DS only plays rookies because he has to and he would rather have 10 Dwight Kings out there offering 0 value, then a rookie that may make some "rookie" mistakes, but have a much higher return in investment. Look at how all the rookie D started this year, they were with Green (should have been let go last season but he is a DS kinda guy...) or some other mediocre pairing. way later, Forbert with Drew and what do you know, Forby baby looks awesome.

Stubborn as one of his goats on the farm, check. Hey, we only have 1 good line 77, 70, 73. Let's never put them together, keep 70 in the basement for the first half of the season and tie the cement shoes of 74 with 77 and 73, they all have 70 number so it should be gold right?

DL - Some Kings conquered lands, some can rule there some can do both. No doubt DL was there when some magic happened, never mind some of the key pieces came from Mr. Taylor, but he systematically destroyed the future of the Kings.

Richards for you 2 best prospects and picks. I loved me some MR on Phily, but that was one of the most painful 1 sided trades in years. I am not talking about after the fact, but the second it happened. I can go on and on about this one.

Trading your 1st round picks in some awesome draft years for players you can't afford to pay, check. Over pay every player you have because you think you can grind out a cup every year for 7 years, check. Spend money one players you probably shouldn't with no plan on how you can afford 73 and 70, the future of the team, check. Run out of players you used (SJ, Philly...) to have in your system to bring over to the Kings and run out of ideas, check.

I can go on and on, but DS, DL need to go and take some of their mistakes with a them.

- CrothchHammer

To make a long story short, hoping Futa will be the GM next year and years to come
Nuck4U
Vancouver Canucks
Location: NY
Joined: 10.12.2016

Feb 19 @ 7:17 PM ET
Who wants Miller more Ducks or Kings...? TDL is coming save your season before it's too late
Ur Not Me
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 11.30.2008

Feb 19 @ 7:20 PM ET
Well, good thing for LAis that he is NOT the starter. Hes temporary. Kings aren't going anywhere this year. No need to trade for a goalie they already have. Whether Quick comes back this year or not. If they miss playoffs it's not the end of the world. Changes have to be made
- KINGS67



team isnt far from making PO's so if had a good backup, kings could win more games than current number....
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Feb 19 @ 7:40 PM ET
team isnt far from making PO's so if had a good backup, kings could win more games than current number....
- Ur Not Me

Team isn't far from making playoffs no but they have bigger issues than in goal. Zatkoff "the backup" now is terrible and budaj has held his own up until last few games. Kings were never really looking to trade for a back up. Quick is now practicing. Will he be good to go for playoffs, doubt it. Honestly many, if not all kings fans, didn't expect kings to make playoffs after Quick injury. So if they make it that's a bonus. Kings need scoring if they plan on going anywhere in near future.
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Feb 19 @ 8:34 PM ET
Who wants Miller more Ducks or Kings...? TDL is coming save your season before it's too late
- Nuck4U


Why would the Ducks want Miller? Are you feeling well?
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Feb 19 @ 8:43 PM ET
Doesn't every story about the Kings need to start with DS and DL need to go?

DS = Can't change his ways no matter how many off season talks you have with him. Over play your goalie and burns him out, check. Granted they do not have many options with the Zac attack playing poorly, but to call out a goalie that you are riding into the ground when the defense and team have been less they amazing, pure DS gold.

Hate rookies, check. DS only plays rookies because he has to and he would rather have 10 Dwight Kings out there offering 0 value, then a rookie that may make some "rookie" mistakes, but have a much higher return in investment. Look at how all the rookie D started this year, they were with Green (should have been let go last season but he is a DS kinda guy...) or some other mediocre pairing. way later, Forbert with Drew and what do you know, Forby baby looks awesome.

Stubborn as one of his goats on the farm, check. Hey, we only have 1 good line 77, 70, 73. Let's never put them together, keep 70 in the basement for the first half of the season and tie the cement shoes of 74 with 77 and 73, they all have 70 number so it should be gold right?

DL - Some Kings conquered lands, some can rule there some can do both. No doubt DL was there when some magic happened, never mind some of the key pieces came from Mr. Taylor, but he systematically destroyed the future of the Kings.

Richards for you 2 best prospects and picks. I loved me some MR on Phily, but that was one of the most painful 1 sided trades in years. I am not talking about after the fact, but the second it happened. I can go on and on about this one.

Trading your 1st round picks in some awesome draft years for players you can't afford to pay, check. Over pay every player you have because you think you can grind out a cup every year for 7 years, check. Spend money one players you probably shouldn't with no plan on how you can afford 73 and 70, the future of the team, check. Run out of players you used (SJ, Philly...) to have in your system to bring over to the Kings and run out of ideas, check.

I can go on and on, but DS, DL need to go and take some of their mistakes with them.

- CrothchHammer

LA likely doenst 2 Championships. So it was worth it. I just feel like LA needs to retool now while the guys are still young enough.
Sheng Peng
Joined: 11.17.2016

Feb 19 @ 10:41 PM ET
Doesn't every story about the Kings need to start with DS and DL need to go?
- CrothchHammer


No.

I don't like every Sutter move, but in all, I like his system. Until I see proof he's lost the locker room, I'm happy to have him at the helm.

As for Lombardi, he's certainly made some egregious mistakes. But I believe him to be a smart GM who's flexible, open-minded enough to get better.

I believe this is a good team that needs some breaks and health. Nothing worth firing anybody about in my mind.
Osprey
Joined: 11.10.2015

Feb 19 @ 10:54 PM ET
The notion that Dowd is an asset to the powerplay and has importance, lest it fall apart, suggests just how awful the team's powerplay is and how much they need a skilled player who can play center when needed. It doesn't mean that Dowd is that guy. 7 points on the powerplay is nothing to write home about, especially when that's half of his point total and he's a -14. The latter suggests that, in any game (like last night's), he's roughly twice as likely to hurt the team off of the powerplay as he is to help them on it, so perhaps scratching him was the right call. It's a good lesson to the rookie that what he's been providing is not good enough. Ultimately, though, it's Lombardi's fault for putting the team in a situation where it has to rely on a rookie's creativity because something as basic as that is so lacking throughout the lineup.
CrothchHammer
Los Angeles Kings
Joined: 02.19.2017

Feb 19 @ 11:19 PM ET
LOL
CrothchHammer
Los Angeles Kings
Joined: 02.19.2017

Feb 19 @ 11:21 PM ET
No.

I don't like every Sutter move, but in all, I like his system. Until I see proof he's lost the locker room, I'm happy to have him at the helm.

As for Lombardi, he's certainly made some egregious mistakes. But I believe him to be a smart GM who's flexible, open-minded enough to get better.

I believe this is a good team that needs some breaks and health. Nothing worth firing anybody about in my mind.

- Sheng Peng


Are you saying that is is a lack of talent versus poor coaching and refusing to get faster younger?
poisondhearts37
Los Angeles Kings
Location: A goaltending coach, A few good bounces and the oilers are cup champions!!
Joined: 01.24.2010

Feb 19 @ 11:40 PM ET
Are you saying that is is a lack of talent versus poor coaching and refusing to get faster younger?
- CrothchHammer

If obviously a lack of talent. Retaining the same old dead weight. Beyond Kopi and Gabby not scoring. Our bottom six should produce alot more than they do. Picking up guys like Gabby are a risk. Your hoping they actually fit in and gel with someone like Kopi. Id like to see Pearson back with Kopi and maybe Gabby on the RW.
Sheng Peng
Joined: 11.17.2016

Feb 20 @ 12:03 AM ET
7 points on the powerplay is nothing to write home about, especially when that's half of his point total and he's a -14. The latter suggests that, in any game (like last night's), he's roughly twice as likely to hurt the team off of the powerplay as he is to help them on it, so perhaps scratching him was the right call. It's a good lesson to the rookie that what he's been providing is not good enough. Ultimately, though, it's Lombardi's fault for putting the team in a situation where it has to rely on a rookie's creativity because something as basic as that is so lacking throughout the lineup.
- Osprey


Correction: Dowd's 5v4 Points/60 is 4.79. Another site's error. Anyway, seven PP points doesn't sound like much, but you're not accounting for his limited man advantage time. That 4.79 still ranks 58th in league out of 243 forwards (50+ 5v4 minutes) and second on LA. Not bad at all, especially for an underperforming power play. Beyond numbers, he looks good on the PP, like he absolutely belongs. His numbers could certainly be better.

That said, sure, I agree that giving LA such sparse offensive center depth is an issue that you could hold Lombardi to task for.

I'm not going to get into another +/- argument, but I also agree that Dowd's overall game hasn't been exceptional. So I see your (and I assume Sutter's) argument for scratching him. I just believe his PP value is great enough and his other shortcomings easy enough to hide on the fourth line, you have to play him right now.

Are you saying that is is a lack of talent versus poor coaching and refusing to get faster younger?
- CrothchHammer


Neither. "I believe this is a good team that needs some breaks and health. Nothing worth firing anybody about in my mind."

While I'm not arguing that this a great Kings team, I do think it's "good," playoff-caliber in terms of talent club. Maybe they don't make it a la 2014-15, but that doesn't discount my belief.

Their overall defensive game is as good as ever, they've protected a once-castoff goalie like Budaj beautifully, and yes, they can't score, but have the talent to at least score on an average team-level. That's not happening yet, obviously, but if that clicks while there's still time and Quick/Budaj provide solid netminding, this team will be fine. A team that plays defensively as well as they do and scores even an average amount is very dangerous.
verwustung
Los Angeles Kings
Joined: 01.21.2011

Feb 20 @ 1:59 AM ET
Dowd would have more points if it weren't the fact that he is surrounded by players who couldn't hit the net if it were 20 feet wide or even players who could control the puck better on their stick instead of controlling it like it was sandy got hit with a bad case of vaginitis. It's a sad state of affairs. Maybe year 2 will be better for Nic. This is not his year like some others but hey, he's not making 10 mil per so what me worry?

I unfortunately (or fortunately) did not get to see tonight's game against the wall Quacks but I know come tommorow morning Sutboy will be coming out with the same lame excuses and blaming the goaltending how it is supposed to steal you games. Apparently, Budaj is supposed to steal you every game with a masterful performance and shutout. I'm so sick of Sutboy. Send this mf with Therrien out to pasture. FIre is (frank)ing ass Lombardi or it will be the both of you standing together at the unemployment line. Quick has struggled many of times. No more excuses Sutboy!
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Feb 20 @ 6:24 AM ET
Dowd would have more points if it weren't the fact that he is surrounded by players who couldn't hit the net if it were 20 feet wide or even players who could control the puck better on their stick instead of controlling it like it was sandy got hit with a bad case of vaginitis. It's a sad state of affairs. Maybe year 2 will be better for Nic. This is not his year like some others but hey, he's not making 10 mil per so what me worry?

I unfortunately (or fortunately) did not get to see tonight's game against the wall Quacks but I know come tommorow morning Sutboy will be coming out with the same lame excuses and blaming the goaltending how it is supposed to steal you games. Apparently, Budaj is supposed to steal you every game with a masterful performance and shutout. I'm so sick of Sutboy. Send this mf with Therrien out to pasture. FIre is (frank)ing ass Lombardi or it will be the both of you standing together at the unemployment line. Quick has struggled many of times. No more excuses Sutboy!

- verwustung

Two words



Mike Futa
hiway39
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 03.01.2010

Feb 20 @ 11:02 AM ET
Are you saying that is is a lack of talent versus poor coaching and refusing to get faster younger?
- CrothchHammer


0 goals scored tonight and Kempe played 8 min while King plays on kopi's wing...
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Feb 20 @ 11:26 PM ET
0 goals scored tonight and Kempe played 8 min while King plays on kopi's wing...
- hiway39

Can't wait for this season to end just so I don't have to see King anymore. Let alone anywhere near Kopitar.

I'm done with DL too, Apparently he will not be back according to The Mayor John Hoven. Looking more like Blake will succeed him. I was hoping for Futa but any change I'll be looking forward to.

With the possibility of Voynov coming back to LA. Boy would that rattle some cages 😱
http://mayorsmanor.com/20...dicts-kings-future-plans/