Noel Fogelman: One night only

Have to think Barzal is back with the Isles for the playoffs as soon as his junior season ends.

Seattle is tied for 4th overall in points in the entire WHL, so I would expect them to at least make a run in the WHL playoffs, if not win the league and move on to the Memorial Cup.

Nice job Noel. Have to think Barzal would have stuck with Weight as coach. Very doubtful he would have been buried in the pressbox. I hope the Isles bring the d tonight. Rather not see another 6-5 game.

Have to think Barzal is back with the Isles for the playoffs as soon as his junior season ends.

Seattle is tied for 4th overall in points in the entire WHL, so I would expect them to at least make a run in the WHL playoffs, if not win the league and move on to the Memorial Cup.
- eichiefs9

Would be nice to have Barzal back. Just not sure where he would fit in?

Would be nice to have Barzal back. Just not sure where he would fit in?

Beau with Nelson and Strome, Quine out, Barzal centering Chimera and Ladd

Let the kid stay far away from team this year, start fresh next year knowing that he could be teams 3C

Question- If a team trades a player and retains salary, can the team that traded for him retain more salary if they move him?

For example, if we trade Halak to Col and retain 50% salary, are they able to move him to Boston and retain part of his remaining 50% salary

Question- If a team trades a player and retains salary, can the team that traded for him retain more salary if they move him?

For example, if we trade Halak to Col and retain 50% salary, are they able to move him to Boston and retain part of his remaining 50% salary
- Ddomnitch

Then he'll be moved for free.... ummm but yes a team can retain salary

Beau with Nelson and Strome, Quine out, Barzal centering Chimera and Ladd
- NYI44

This could work. We have to see if any deals are made as well. I'm not counting on anything big.

Not trolling here but the isles would have to play 800 hockey the rest of the way with twenty of their last thirty games on the road. Sorry, not happening.

Not trolling here but the isles would have to play 800 hockey the rest of the way with twenty of their last thirty games on the road. Sorry, not happening.
- Bobd62

Live look at the Isles prepping for said road trips.

Live look at the Isles prepping for said road trips.


- Wildschwein

Nice. Any picture of the Road Warriors would also suffice. [/img]

Live look at the Isles prepping for said road trips.


- Wildschwein

It's going to be tough, but the Isles put themselves back in the game.

Question- If a team trades a player and retains salary, can the team that traded for him retain more salary if they move him?

For example, if we trade Halak to Col and retain 50% salary, are they able to move him to Boston and retain part of his remaining 50% salary
- Ddomnitch

TRADES AND SALARY RETENTION

Prior to the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) negotiated in 2012-13, a team would take on a player’s entire salary in a trade. Under the current CBA, however, these terms apply:

1) The acquiring team must assume at least 50 percent of the remaining salary and cap charge of the SPC.

2) Such a contract can only be traded twice using provision 1 during the lifetime of the SPC.

3) Retained salary by the trading team cannot be more than 15 percent of the upper salary cap limit.

4) A maximum of 3 such contracts with salary retained in a trade can be on a team’s books at any one time. This provision is included in the 2013 Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA MOU).

Seems like, for example, if the Isles traded Halak and retained 50% of his salary, the team that acquired him could then trade him once more and retain up to 50% of what remained after the Islanders' retained the original 50%





So:

If we traded Halak w/ 50% retained: he'd carry a cap hit of $2.25M (50% of $4.5M)

If the new team then traded him, they could retain 50% of $2.25M, or $1.125M.

After that, the 3rd team could not trade him (until that particular contract expired). At least that's the way I am understanding it.

800 hockey where did you come up with that number? They win tonight they are in a position. Now road games are tough but 800 isn't the number more like 600

Best move was sending Barzal back to play in WJHC as well. Kid needs to keep his scoring touch and confidence up as opposed to being part of this year's Barclay's Circus. Next year under Weight, if he is the coach, Barzal will get a good chance and he should be great in the AHL if they send him there for a while. He's going to play sooner or later, but seeing the forwards up here progress has been positive.

Doesn't make sense to send Halak to BOS if we are in a race for the playoff spot with them.

Not trolling here but the isles would have to play 800 hockey the rest of the way with twenty of their last thirty games on the road. Sorry, not happening.
- Bobd62

.800 for the rest of the season would give them 104.8 points. I doubt they would have to play that well to make the playoffs.

800 hockey where did you come up with that number? They win tonight they are in a position. Now road games are tough but 800 isn't the number more like 600
- Upstate_isles

The last 3 years it's taken a (rounded-up) average of 96pts to get into the playoffs.

Using that as a benchmark:

There at 56pts remaining that the Isles could potentially claim

They currently have 60pts

To get to 96pts they need to win 64.29% of their remaining total available points.

Now it's obviously not that simple. ROW comes into play in the case of tiebreakers. That also assumes that the teams ahead of them don't earn more points than they do.

64.29% of the remaining available points is the absolute bare-minimum that they need to earn.

.800 for the rest of the season would give them 104.8 points. I doubt they would have to play that well to make the playoffs.


- JimmyP

Going .700 the rest of the way is probably what they need to do to make it. That would leave them with about 99 points. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the magic number and also wouldn't be surprised if it were a little higher. The Metro is absolutely absurd this year.

Saw something unbelievable on twitter last night: The 4th place team in the Metro (NYR) has as many or more points than every single other team in the league, save for MIN. The Hawks are the only team that ties them, as well. So other than MIN/CHI...the 4th place team in the Metro has out-earned everyone else.

That's ridiculous.

The last 3 years it's taken a (rounded-up) average of 96pts to get into the playoffs.

Using that as a benchmark:

There at 56pts remaining that the Isles could potentially claim

They currently have 60pts

To get to 96pts they need to win 64.29% of their remaining total available points.

Now it's obviously not that simple. ROW comes into play in the case of tiebreakers. That also assumes that the teams ahead of them don't earn more points than they do.

64.29% of the remaining available points is the absolute bare-minimum that they need to earn.
- eichiefs9

Right .600 hockey they had it on the pregame before flyers and the West need 89 points to make it and east was 93 or 94 because all the bottomed teams stunk, and playing head to head takes away Points as well so .600 was what they said

Right .600 hockey they had it on the pregame before flyers and the West need 89 points to make it and east was 93 or 94 because all the bottomed teams stunk.
- Upstate_isles

Yeah but near-.600 hockey is only what it will take to get them to "about" what it would take to make the playoffs. That's not accounting for other teams outplaying them. It's entirely possible that the Leafs/Bruins/Sens/Philly play better than .600 hockey down the stretch.

Going .700 the rest of the way would probably be a reasonable goal. Doesn't "guarantee" anything, but it puts them in a very good position and would leave them within a point of their point total from last year.

Going .700 the rest of the way is probably what they need to do to make it. That would leave them with about 99 points. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the magic number and also wouldn't be surprised if it were a little higher. The Metro is absolutely absurd this year.

Saw something unbelievable on twitter last night: The 4th place team in the Metro (NYR) has as many or more points than every single other team in the league, save for MIN.

That's ridiculous.
- eichiefs9

I think your previous post was correct at 96-97 points. No team has turned it on for the last wild card. Now that we are in the last 3rd of the season I expect at least one of them start clicking.

The only reason I think the Isles will have a hard time making it is the road heavy schedule. 9 at home and 19 on the road is damn tough for any team down the stretch.

I think your previous post was correct at 96-97 points. No team has turned it on for the last wild card. Now that we are in the last 3rd of the season I expect at least one of them start clicking.

The only reason I think the Isles will have a hard time making it is the road heavy schedule. 9 at home and 19 on the road is damn tough for any team down the stretch.
- JimmyP

It's definitely not going to be easy. Last year 96 was the number to get in. Year before that it was 98. I really wouldn't be the slightest bit shocked if it took 100pts for the 2nd wildcard in the East to get in this year. Not saying it'll happen, but I think if it were ever going to happen...this would be the year.

If you think of it in terms of points, instead of games, they really need to be getting 5-6pts out of every possible 8pts (4 game stretch). Ideally 6pts.

So for every 4 games, they need to win an absolute bare-minimum of 2, with (at the very least) an OT/SO loss in one of the others.

Going .700 the rest of the way is probably what they need to do to make it. That would leave them with about 99 points. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the magic number and also wouldn't be surprised if it were a little higher. The Metro is absolutely absurd this year.

Saw something unbelievable on twitter last night: The 4th place team in the Metro (NYR) has as many or more points than every single other team in the league, save for MIN. The Hawks are the only team that ties them, as well. So other than MIN/CHI...the 4th place team in the Metro has out-earned everyone else.

That's ridiculous.
- eichiefs9

The Metro is a beast. I know it's a different sport, bu the Knicks are a dumpster fire and not out of the playoffs in the East.

thats easy. yes Barzal would still be here. Here are the 3 things Weight has done
1) allowed skill players to use their skill. Not every has to dump and chase all the time and its nice to challenge opposing dman
2) play more of the game in offensive zone. don't just retreat back and let other team keep firing pucks on you.
3) hold all players accountable. If you playing bad, you will hear it or get bench. Not just pick on one player the whole year.