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jcragcrumple
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Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT Joined: 04.04.2016
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I'm always amazed at how kindly the Winnipeg media seems to handle the Jets. They seem to sell the progress narrative for the team, which is totally the opposite of how the Buffalo News treats the Sabres.
Maybe that's changing? |
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Buggy166
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 08.01.2007
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"It's believed Maurice is earning around 1 million plus per year as coach and Julien would likely be double that maybe more to come to Winnipeg. "
Not to be a downer but Julien is making $3 mil a year in Boston, by not working next year.
If he goes to any team, it will be for 3-5 mil.
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I'm always amazed at how kindly the Winnipeg media seems to handle the Jets. They seem to sell the progress narrative for the team, which is totally the opposite of how the Buffalo News treats the Sabres.
Maybe that's changing?
This is an accurate assessment. The media for the Jets act as cheerleaders for the team and have no objectivity. They sell the teams vision and do not critically examine the team at all.
I am glad fans of other teams take notice of this. |
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Rexypoo
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Location: Yes Joined: 02.08.2016
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First things first: the draft and develop plan is absolutely working. Only the Leafs compare to the amount of quality young players we have.
Thing 2: There are no good coaches available right now. Not for the Jets. Hitchcock is the best fit, but even he wouldn't be great. Capuano is bad. Julien likes a big, straight defensive game. Hitchcock does too. None of them like playing young talent unless absolutely necessary, and none of them will play to speed and skill like we should.
I'd clear the bench (of at least Maurice, Huddy, and Flaherty) and bring in Hawerchuk to be head coach. He knows how to work with young players, has won a lot in junior, and would be a PR checkmate. I'd also bring in Sean Burke as goalie coach.
Thing 3: the lineup we need to start next season with:
Laine-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Armia-Petan-Dano
Matthias-Lowry-Copp
Tanev
Morrissey-Trouba
Enstrom-Byfuglien
UFA-Myers
Postma
Hellebuyck
UFA
Perreault goes to Vegas, Stafford goes to the first 5th rounder offered, Stuart and Thorburn disappear forever. Pavelec goes to Europe. |
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jetsnation
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Location: Winnipeg, MB Joined: 02.11.2015
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I listened to the Maurice interview after the practice yesterday . It was really the first time the reporters really drilled him on the questions that needed to be asked. Maurice did a good and honest job of responding. I for one am willing to accept those answers as viable explanations.
Bottom line is that they are at the tail end of the draft and develop mode and in the very near future they will be moving into a mode where they would expect to get results. There are probably some players like Wheeler and Little who want results now but I think they must also realize that they are veterans on a draft and develop team that is close to ready to take the next step. Maurice will be the coach next year. If he fails next year then he will be gone.
The only question that I think his answer was more of a dodge was regarding the goalies. He was trying to tell us that Pavelic has played very well. I call BS. Pavelic while making some excellent saves has also let in way too many very costly soft goals. Helly should have had more starts over the last five or six games. I don't think anyone will disagree with that. |
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jetsnation
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Location: Winnipeg, MB Joined: 02.11.2015
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Thing 3: the lineup we need to start next season with:
Laine-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Armia-Petan-Dano
Matthias-Lowry-Copp
Tanev
Morrissey-Trouba
Enstrom-Byfuglien
UFA-Myers
Postma
Hellebuyck
UFA
Perreault goes to Vegas, Stafford goes to the first 5th rounder offered, Stuart and Thorburn disappear forever. Pavelec goes to Europe. - Rexypoo
I think the lineup will look more like this:
Laine-Little-Ehlers
Perreault-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Petan-Roslovic
Matthias-Lowry-Armia
Morrissey-Trouba
Enstrom-Byfuglien
UFA-Myers
Poolman
Hellebuyck
UFA
Copp, De Leo/ Tanev on roster as extras.
There is no way the Jets are going to simply expose Perreault to expansion. They could trade him, thats possible. No chance in hell that they will just expose him. I suspect Dano will be the one who is gone, possibly Copp. Connor, Roslovic, and De Leo are easy replacements for them and with much more upside.
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SRam19
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Messier the Greatest Canucks Captain Joined: 02.12.2015
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Y'all need a change, drop chevy and maurice. |
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First things first: the draft and develop plan is absolutely working. Only the Leafs compare to the amount of quality young players we have.
Thing 2: There are no good coaches available right now. Not for the Jets. Hitchcock is the best fit, but even he wouldn't be great. Capuano is bad. Julien likes a big, straight defensive game. Hitchcock does too. None of them like playing young talent unless absolutely necessary, and none of them will play to speed and skill like we should.
I'd clear the bench (of at least Maurice, Huddy, and Flaherty) and bring in Hawerchuk to be head coach. He knows how to work with young players, has won a lot in junior, and would be a PR checkmate. I'd also bring in Sean Burke as goalie coach.
Thing 3: the lineup we need to start next season with:
Laine-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Armia-Petan-Dano
Matthias-Lowry-Copp
Tanev
Morrissey-Trouba
Enstrom-Byfuglien
UFA-Myers
Postma
Hellebuyck
UFA
Perreault goes to Vegas, Stafford goes to the first 5th rounder offered, Stuart and Thorburn disappear forever. Pavelec goes to Europe. - Rexypoo this lineup is far too soft, people just because the league is getting younger and faster you still need grit, agitators and sandpaper. Dano and Lowry don't bring enough of this so more is needed
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I think the lineup will look more like this:
Laine-Little-Ehlers
Perreault-Scheifele-Wheeler
Connor-Petan-Roslovic
Matthias-Lowry-Armia
Morrissey-Trouba
Enstrom-Byfuglien
UFA-Myers
Poolman
Hellebuyck
UFA
Copp, De Leo/ Tanev on roster as extras.
There is no way the Jets are going to simply expose Perreault to expansion. They could trade him, thats possible. No chance in hell that they will just expose him. I suspect Dano will be the one who is gone, possibly Copp. Connor, Roslovic, and De Leo are easy replacements for them and with much more upside. - jetsnation perraylt is useless and Vegas would be doing us a favour !! Connor and raslovik still need a lot of work in our end and may very well spend another year on the moose
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Rexypoo
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Location: Yes Joined: 02.08.2016
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Ross77
Grit and size don't anymore, and to make this team get even close to being competitive the LA way would mean a top down rebuild.
Jetsnation
Lowry is exposed before Dano or Copp. Dano also isn't replaceable with anyone in the system. He's a two way net crashed with a history of top 6 production. He's the guy you put WITH Connor and Roslovic. |
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It's not Maurice's fault that we don't have consistent goaltending, or that nobody but Little wins faceoffs, or that the special teams suck, or that Buff only really shows up for every 3rd game, or that Enstrom cannot handle the puck in the offensive zone with his go go gadget extendo-stick.
OR IS IT ? |
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MR.Hunter
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.22.2016
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Maurice will be signing a extention with the Jets! Imho the kids have flourished under him.no? |
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MR.Hunter
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.22.2016
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Y'all need a change, drop chevy and maurice. - SRam19
No they need steady goaltending, and a healthy roster! Imho |
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It's not Maurice's fault that we don't have consistent goaltending, or that nobody but Little wins faceoffs, or that the special teams suck, or that Buff only really shows up for every 3rd game, or that Enstrom cannot handle the puck in the offensive zone with his go go gadget extendo-stick.
OR IS IT ? - bennythehat
It is Maurice's fault that no one who used to wear an Atlanta jersey ever gets called out for poor play. The Cabal...oops I mean former Thrasher players never get criticized for poor play. Also, why in the heck do Noel's assistant coaches still have jobs?
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sparky1957
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 11.03.2016
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We are a goalie and a couple of decent 3 pairing defensemen away from being top 10 in the league. Also , we need another year for the young guys . |
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Ross77
Grit and size don't anymore, and to make this team get even close to being competitive the LA way would mean a top down rebuild.
Jetsnation
Lowry is exposed before Dano or Copp. Dano also isn't replaceable with anyone in the system. He's a two way net crashed with a history of top 6 production. He's the guy you put WITH Connor and Roslovic. - Rexypoo
sorry, i disagree with all of this.
-we dont need a top down rebuild to add some grit and sandpaper
-there is zero chance Lowry is exposed while Copp or Dano are protected
-Dano has NO NHL history of top 6 production, dont say in Columbus and dont say when he plays a certain position on Tuesday games when he's had a grill cheeze for supper.
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First things first: the draft and develop plan is absolutely working. Only the Leafs compare to the amount of quality young players we have.
Thing 2: There are no good coaches available right now. Not for the Jets. Hitchcock is the best fit, but even he wouldn't be great. Capuano is bad. Julien likes a big, straight defensive game. Hitchcock does too. None of them like playing young talent unless absolutely necessary, and none of them will play to speed and skill like we should.
I'd clear the bench (of at least Maurice, Huddy, and Flaherty) and bring in Hawerchuk to be head coach. He knows how to work with young players, has won a lot in junior, and would be a PR checkmate. I'd also bring in Sean Burke as goalie coach.
Thing 3: the lineup we need to start next season with:
Laine-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Armia-Petan-Dano
Matthias-Lowry-Copp
Tanev
Morrissey-Trouba
Enstrom-Byfuglien
UFA-Myers
Postma
Hellebuyck
UFA
Perreault goes to Vegas, Stafford goes to the first 5th rounder offered, Stuart and Thorburn disappear forever. Pavelec goes to Europe. - Rexypoo
Great roster Rexypoo! All we need now is for Julien for coach these guys. Can't see him being too eager to play veterans with that roster.
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jjonah
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Location: winnipeg, MB Joined: 03.25.2013
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So size and grit don't matter?
Pretty sure that it always will. The fact that smaller players can play in this era is great but some sand is always good.
I still think too many liberties taking with our skilled players! |
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Rexypoo
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Location: Yes Joined: 02.08.2016
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Okay, Ross77, let me get this straight: when evaluating Marko Dano, I can't use his first season as an example, and I can't list his time in his natural position? So I have like 3 games in Chicago and 10 with the Jets to work with? And Copp and Dano have outplayed and outproduced Lowry in all 3 zones and across all situations. I know Chevy and Maurice seem obsessed with big, unskilled players but even they can't be that stupid. |
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jetsnation
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Location: Winnipeg, MB Joined: 02.11.2015
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Okay, Ross77, let me get this straight: when evaluating Marko Dano, I can't use his first season as an example, and I can't list his time in his natural position? So I have like 3 games in Chicago and 10 with the Jets to work with? And Copp and Dano have outplayed and outproduced Lowry in all 3 zones and across all situations. I know Chevy and Maurice seem obsessed with big, unskilled players but even they can't be that stupid. - Rexypoo
The real test on how valuable they may be is whether they are able to crack the current lineup which is now almost fully healthy. I doubt Dano cracks this lineup. If he does then for who ? I can't see them breaking up Lowry, Copp, and Armia. Stafford will play and is also being showcased for a trade. Perreault isn't going anywhere. That leaves only Copp or Petan.
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Rexypoo
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Location: Yes Joined: 02.08.2016
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Jetsnation
I believe that Chevy has different ideas than Maurice as to who's valuable.
Dano will probably take Petan's spot, which is dumb. Equally dumb would be scratching Dano or Copp over Matthias or Lowry. Stafford shouldn't play over any of them. |
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Okay, Ross77, let me get this straight: when evaluating Marko Dano, I can't use his first season as an example, and I can't list his time in his natural position? So I have like 3 games in Chicago and 10 with the Jets to work with? And Copp and Dano have outplayed and outproduced Lowry in all 3 zones and across all situations. I know Chevy and Maurice seem obsessed with big, unskilled players but even they can't be that stupid. - Rexypoo feel free to use his first season, 21 points, yup that's got top 6 written all over it. ok, feel free to use a few games played at his so called natural position, how many points there? 6 or 7? you cant say he has a history of production when he has never played a full season or gone over 21 points!! you are guessing and speculating based on a very little sampling and your fingers are crossed but there is no history of top 6 production. Lowry is a better third or fourth line center than Copp and Dano, this is proven and thats why he is playing there when those are not. That is why everyone but you agree as wingers Dano and Copp are easily replaceable. |
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Okay, Ross77, let me get this straight: when evaluating Marko Dano, I can't use his first season as an example, and I can't list his time in his natural position? So I have like 3 games in Chicago and 10 with the Jets to work with? And Copp and Dano have outplayed and outproduced Lowry in all 3 zones and across all situations. I know Chevy and Maurice seem obsessed with big, unskilled players but even they can't be that stupid. - Rexypoo
I was also going to list some really crappy players who have gone over 21 points who by that logic must have "history of top 6 production" but the list was in the thousands.
also since you like to play the guessing speculate game there is no evidence that De Leo, Kosmachuck, Lipon, and a few other Moose could not produce exactly the same as Dano or Copp. easily replaceable |
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Rexypoo
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Location: Yes Joined: 02.08.2016
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I already don't care enough to argue. Of his 21 points in 35 games, which is 55-60 points in a full season, he had 5 goals and 15 points in the last 20 games he played there. That's why he was the main piece in the Saad trade. Chicago then tried to play him on the top line in a position he had never played before, then put him on the 4th line when he didn't instantly produce. So the Jets traded for him, making him the centrepiece of the Ladd trade too, and he proceeded to put up numbers at a much higher rate than anyone around him given his nones of ice time and has continued to do so this season. |
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