Jared Crozier: Senators bounce back in Tampa; What is their #1 trade deadline need?

Mark stone has been excellent aafter his slow start to the year.

Think he hits 30 goals his year? He'll come close at least.

this was my post from last thread about acquiring landeskog

I'm sure they'd want Chabot..........but that should be a non-starter IMO

maybe ceci, brown/white, 1st 2017, 2nd 2018

not sure that would get it done but who knows..........our forwards would be as I mentioned before, our d would be

ek - meth
phaneuf - wideman (who's better than ceci anyways)
claessen - boro

would still hope they could make another move to upgrade boro but other than that I like that D........give Chabot a year in the AHL and then bring him up, englund is also probably close to being NHL ready.

this was my post from last thread about acquiring landeskog
- sensarmy_11

I'll be honest, I don't really see the point in getting Landeskog, when we already have solid wingers and it's much easier to get a #2LW then it is to get a #1C. I'd much rather try to make a deal for Duchene. That way he'll be our #1C with Hoffman and Ryan, and then Turris can play as the #2C his most valuable position where there is less pressure and he can really thrive.

this was my post from last thread about acquiring landeskog
- sensarmy_11

I agree with this. I wouldn't bring up Englund this year but you would think we'd need to make room for him (and potentially Chabot) next year.

For me, a combination of Ceci, maybe 2 of Brown/Lazar/Perron + pick(s) should do it. Might be a lot but I'd be fine with it... It's almost necessary for us to take that next step and be a team that is to be taken seriously...

[edit] I also think it's important to consider the possibility of losing a defensemen at the expansion draft. Might be wise to deal one of ceci or wideman in order to ensure a decent return.

I'll be honest, I don't really see the point in getting Landeskog, when we already have solid wingers and it's much easier to get a #2LW then it is to get a #1C. I'd much rather try to make a deal for Duchene. That way he'll be our #1C with Hoffman and Ryan, and then Turris can play as the #2C his most valuable position where there is less pressure and he can really thrive.
- Maverick1818

I think Duch would be the preferred choice...but of they want one Chabot or White, then no thank you. I think Landeskog would command slightly less.

I think Duch would be the preferred choice...but of they want one Chabot or White, then no thank you. I think Landeskog would command slightly less.
- Mr_X

I agree when it comes to trading, we should not give up White or Chabot. But the offer of Ceci, Dzingle and a first is certainly a starting point to try and pick up Duchene.

I think the asking price for either is over value, however in today's NHL we have to get those star players to be able to compete against Chicago, Washington, etc

I agree when it comes to trading, we should not give up White or Chabot. But the offer of Ceci, Dzingle and a first is certainly a starting point to try and pick up Duchene.

I think the asking price for either is over value, however in today's NHL we have to get those star players to be able to compete against Chicago, Washington, etc
- Maverick1818

Exactly. And realistically, we'd be giving up young players or picks that we can only hope will one day develop to be as good as either Duch or Landeskog (plus probably Ceci).

Exactly. And realistically, we'd be giving up young players or picks that we can only hope will one day develop to be as good as either Duch or Landeskog (plus probably Ceci).
- Mr_X

To be honest I'm not that sold on Ceci, especially with Chabot on the way, I think Ceci is expendable. But I do think making the investment by bringing in Duchene, would be worth it in the long run. At some point this team has to get out of the "we've got some good young prospects coming" mentality and into the "we're going for a cup" mentality

I'll be honest, I don't really see the point in getting Landeskog, when we already have solid wingers and it's much easier to get a #2LW then it is to get a #1C. I'd much rather try to make a deal for Duchene. That way he'll be our #1C with Hoffman and Ryan, and then Turris can play as the #2C his most valuable position where there is less pressure and he can really thrive.
- Maverick1818

if you bring in Duchene then I think brassard has to go...........that's just too many centres (lazar, Duchene, turris, pageau, brassard....plus you have white who they want on the team this year).

Ottawa has a much stronger need on wing......smith has filled in okay in the top six but he's much more ideally suited as a 3rd liner, dzingel is the same IMO. neither is a true top six forward.

I heard that the issue with Vrbata is the bonus clauses in his contract. If he makes it to the playoffs he gets a big bonus and it increases every round. Team's concerned about the cap may stay away.

I heard that the issue with Vrbata is the bonus clauses in his contract. If he makes it to the playoffs he gets a big bonus and it increases every round. Team's concerned about the cap may stay away.
- AlfieFever

or teams who legitimately think they can make it deep into the playoffs....I believe the bonus was basically 250k for every round he plays in.....so potentially another 1mil

An added complexity this season is the Vegas factor. If teams are going to make a trade they will want to make sure the player they're getting is protected from the expansion draft. If you say for example, Chabot and Dzingel for Duchene (fair or not doesn't matter), Colorado may not be interested simply because one of those two players could be lost in the draft.

if you bring in Duchene then I think brassard has to go...........that's just too many centres (lazar, Duchene, turris, pageau, brassard....plus you have white who they want on the team this year).

Ottawa has a much stronger need on wing......smith has filled in okay in the top six but he's much more ideally suited as a 3rd liner, dzingel is the same IMO. neither is a true top six forward.
- sensarmy_11

Ok, so say Ceci, Pageau and a 1st for Duchene.

have #1C Duchene #2C Turris and #3C Brassard.... with keeping Hoffman, Stone, Ryan, etc on wing... that is a contending line up that could compete against the tougher teams like Washington, Pitts, etc

I agree when it comes to trading, we should not give up White or Chabot. But the offer of Ceci, Dzingle and a first is certainly a starting point to try and pick up Duchene.
I think the asking price for either is over value, however in today's NHL we have to get those star players to be able to compete against Chicago, Washington, etc
- Maverick1818

I'm pretty sure the Duchene ship has already sailed after the Zibanejad trade to the Rangers, but Landeskog actually strikes me as the player that would bring something different to the table. For me, the only untouchable prospect would be Chabot, and if Ceci is put into the deal I think they have to make sure include a player like Beauchemin in return to avoid the scenario of being caught without functional top-4 depth. That also would yield the secondary benefit of being able to protect Methot in the expansion draft.

To Ottawa: Landeskog, Beauchemin
To Colorado: Brown, Ceci, Lazar, 1st Round Pick

An added complexity this season is the Vegas factor. If teams are going to make a trade they will want to make sure the player they're getting is protected from the expansion draft. If you say for example, Chabot and Dzingel for Duchene (fair or not doesn't matter), Colorado may not be interested simply because one of those two players could be lost in the draft.
- AlfieFever

Chabot can't but dzingel can........but that being said, they're losing a player that they had to protect and gaining a player so it evens out.

if you're acquiring say 3 players that need to be protected and only giving up 1 then yes that would be a problem.

Post from last thread

Great bounce back win from the Sens last night.

If this team sticks to #TheSystem they have shown that they can beat any team in the league.

Mark Stone is an absolute monster. Just a perfect two way forward who is criminally underrated imo.

I wouldn't mortgage the teams future for Duchene. He's a great forward but the Sens have a solid core and will hopefully be adding two impactful players in Chabot and White very soon (Chlapik as well.) They better stay far far away from Landeskog. Hasn't been the same since his last concussion.

Still can't believe this team is doing this well with a backup carrying the bulk of the starts.

I'm pretty sure the Duchene ship has already sailed after the Zibanejad trade to the Rangers, but Landeskog actually strikes me as the player that would bring something different to the table. For me, the only untouchable prospect would be Chabot, and if Ceci is put into the deal I think they have to make sure include a player like Beauchemin in return to avoid the scenario of being caught without functional top-4 depth. That also would yield the secondary benefit of being able to protect Methot in the expansion draft.

To Ottawa: Landeskog, Beauchemin
To Colorado: Brown, Ceci, Lazar, 1st Round Pick
- khawk

I feel like that would be a bad trade, Landeskog is okay but had injury issues, and Beauchemin is on the wrong side of his 30's and not what this team needs.

If we were going to do a major deal likes that, we might as well go for Duchene and Barrie.... yes I know it'll never happen.

Not to beat a dead horse, but i'll be honest, during the last bit of BM as GM. I just wanted him to retire because he was to afraid to make big moves and PD is no different in my opinion. Until we change that, Ottawa is never going to win a cup and we're going to be in a never ending state of rebuilding and hearing that same crap of "we had a few deals in the works but the price was a bit high, we have some good young prospects coming that should be ready soon". It's a losing mentality, we are building a team to hope to get into the playoffs, not to win it.

I'm not saying we should sacrifice all of our future to bring in stars. But I am saying that at some point, you have to spend a bit to move the rebuild forward, Hoffman, Stone, Karlsson, Turris etc are all either in their prime or heading into it. Why not try to bring in that last piece before the opportunity is gone.

Keep everything and go pick Ribiero off waiver. His got skills and a change of scenery could do wonder. He could fit well with up tempo speed.

Low risk hi reward...just the way Sens Management likes.

I feel like that would be a bad trade, Landeskog is okay but had injury issues, and Beauchemin is on the wrong side of his 30's and not what this team needs.

If we were going to do a major deal likes that, we might as well go for Duchene and Barrie.... yes I know it'll never happen.

Not to beat a dead horse, but i'll be honest, during the last bit of BM as GM. I just wanted him to retire because he was to afraid to make big moves and PD is no different in my opinion. Until we change that, Ottawa is never going to win a cup and we're going to be in a never ending state of rebuilding and hearing that same crap of "we had a few deals in the works but the price was a bit high, we have some good young prospects coming that should be ready soon". It's a losing mentality, we are building a team to hope to get into the playoffs, not to win it.

I'm not saying we should sacrifice all of our future to bring in stars. But I am saying that at some point, you have to spend a bit to move the rebuild forward, Hoffman, Stone, Karlsson, Turris etc are all either in their prime or heading into it. Why not try to bring in that last piece before the opportunity is gone.
- Maverick1818

This...this is it. I've said that for the last 5 years. We are a middle of the pack team and every bad trade (Ryan, Bishop) kills us so bad because we never have a high pick. there's no Mc David, Crosby, Matthews, Laine in our team. We got lucky with Karlsson, Stone, Hoffman etc..WE need to step it up and obtain top notch players...lets pay...maybe Ryan will come back in the gym and starts producing, then we trade for nice return and keep it rollllllllling

I feel like that would be a bad trade, Landeskog is okay but had injury issues, and Beauchemin is on the wrong side of his 30's and not what this team needs.

If we were going to do a major deal likes that, we might as well go for Duchene and Barrie.... yes I know it'll never happen.

Not to beat a dead horse, but i'll be honest, during the last bit of BM as GM. I just wanted him to retire because he was to afraid to make big moves and PD is no different in my opinion. Until we change that, Ottawa is never going to win a cup and we're going to be in a never ending state of rebuilding and hearing that same crap of "we had a few deals in the works but the price was a bit high, we have some good young prospects coming that should be ready soon". It's a losing mentality, we are building a team to hope to get into the playoffs, not to win it.

I'm not saying we should sacrifice all of our future to bring in stars. But I am saying that at some point, you have to spend a bit to move the rebuild forward, Hoffman, Stone, Karlsson, Turris etc are all either in their prime or heading into it. Why not try to bring in that last piece before the opportunity is gone.
- Maverick1818

Adding Beauchamin would be to entice Colorado to dump a bad contract. My buddy is an Av's fan and has nothing but bad things to say about him.

I feel like that would be a bad trade, Landeskog is okay but had injury issues, and Beauchemin is on the wrong side of his 30's and not what this team needs.
If we were going to do a major deal likes that, we might as well go for Duchene and Barrie.... yes I know it'll never happen.
- Maverick1818

I really don't see how you can draw that conclusion. The deal I proposed for Landeskog and Beauchemin rounds out the top-6 forwards (to replace MacArthur at LW), brings in a veteran d-man who can play 20min/gp as a short-term bridge (to replace Ceci if he's traded and buy time to properly develop a replacement), allows the team to protect Methot in the expansion draft, and keeps both Chabot and White in the system as blue chip prospects.

Adding Duchene and Barrie would almost certainly cost at least two of Chabot, White, or Brown (+++), functionally wastes Brassard as a $5M/yr scoring centre, needlessly displaces Pageau from a role in which he's very productive, limits Barrie to a 2nd pairing role, and still leaves Methot as the most likely player to be lost in the expansion draft... which then just becomes another major hole to fix.

To each their own, but I think one of these deals actually addresses defined team needs, while the other is just assuming that adding bigger names will result in good things.

Go get Ribiero LOLLL
Great playmaker and a awesome party animal / cocaine addict
No thanks

Ottawa has a much stronger need on wing......smith has filled in okay in the top six but he's much more ideally suited as a 3rd liner, dzingel is the same IMO. neither is a true top six forward.
- sensarmy_11

This !!

I really don't see how you can draw that conclusion. The deal I proposed for Landeskog and Beauchemin rounds out the top-6 forwards (to replace MacArthur at LW), brings in a veteran d-man who can play 20min/gp as a short-term bridge (to replace Ceci if he's traded and buy time to properly develop a replacement), allows the team to protect Methot in the expansion draft, and keeps both Chabot and White in the system as blue chip prospects.

Adding Duchene and Barrie would almost certainly cost at least two of Chabot, White, or Brown (+++), functionally wastes Brassard as a $5M/yr scoring centre, needlessly displaces Pageau from a role in which he's very productive, limits Barrie to a 2nd pairing role, and still leaves Methot as the most likely player to be lost in the expansion draft... which then just becomes another major hole to fix.

To each their own, but I think one of these deals actually addresses defined team needs, while the other is just assuming that adding bigger names will result in good things.
- khawk

This 1000%