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I know there are examples out there of teams trading goalies who went on to be very good goalies (Bishop and Dubnyk ) but maybe those goalies needed to be traded? they needed fresh starts and would never have developed into who they are now if they remained with their original franchises? sadly this just might be the case with Helly.

I think its time we look at bringing in a Howard, Bishop, Fleury ( Fleury I'm not sold on, his stats have never been great and I think the Pens make him look better than he is ) and then we look to Comrie and Phillips as the future. also if Helly is exposed to Vegas, it bodes well for us keeping Armia or Dano, if your a big fan of those two?

Hands off the panic button, people. Anyone who really looked at the roster heading into the season knew this wasn't a playoff year. This is about getting young players into the lineup and working through their inconsistency. Not everyone is gonna show up and be awesome in every game like Morrissey.
Laine has been a possession anchor, but he's improving.
Ehlers was snake bitten like crazy, but he's still improving.
Trouba sat for a long time, but he's still improving.
Dano hasn't had a shot at his natural position all season, but he's still getting better.
Petan hasn't had a skilled line mate all season, but he's still improving.
Same goes for Copp, whom has displayed skill well above his position.
Lowry has impressed me by addressing most, if not all, of his weaknesses.
Armia is either set for a career as the most frustrating player in hockey, or is teasing a breakout year.
When Laine and Dano are back, along with Myers, the team will improve. Those three are basically your sniper, your bottom six production, and your depth on defence.

Heard a little diddy that the room thinks Myers is "milking " his injury and not going to win a popularity contest....

Said for 4 months they may be rushing Hellybuck....

How many goalies need one or two changes of scenery and get to age 27-28 before the switch goes on? Lots! Dubnyk was a sieve for a few years no?

Maybe take a flyer on Bishop as a rental?

Have you guys bee n paying attention to the Bolts woes this season. Bishop has been a sieve. Damaged goods now. Why you don't look at Canucks tandem? Only reason Canucks win any games is because of their tending. Either won for a draft pick or prospect can be had.

I was at the Tampa game on Thursday night where they played the sabres. Bishop would be an awesome pickup but there's no point as a rental. I could see him being picked up after the expansion draft and resigned to mentor helly. I'd be stoked with that deal. Maf is an option but not a great one as I think he's maybe a bit of an over achiever because he's been on awesome teams.

I know there are examples out there of teams trading goalies who went on to be very good goalies (Bishop and Dubnyk ) but maybe those goalies needed to be traded? they needed fresh starts and would never have developed into who they are now if they remained with their original franchises? sadly this just might be the case with Helly.

I think its time we look at bringing in a Howard, Bishop, Fleury ( Fleury I'm not sold on, his stats have never been great and I think the Pens make him look better than he is ) and then we look to Comrie and Phillips as the future. also if Helly is exposed to Vegas, it bodes well for us keeping Armia or Dano, if your a big fan of those two?
- Ross77

I disagree with this post. With this logic, I guess the Kings should have traded Quick, the Habs should have traded Price, the Caps should have traded Holtby. All those goalies mentioned struggled early in their careers.

Just bring up Pavlec instead of spending on a rental.

Keep Smelly and Hutch, that's fine, but they aren't ready yet.

just IMO

What and up and down week hellebyuck has had

I should have benched him last night.

I wouldn't mind seeing Pavelic as a backup and seeing what he can still do . He can't be any worse than Hutch.

I still tend to believe that the problem here might be Maurice and his " system" . There are a lot of NHL teams with way less talent than ours and yet they seem to be using the correct system that matches their talent and are excelling. Minnesota and Columbus come to mind. Montreal and the Leafs as well.

Maurice's " system" is the same one that Vincent is using with the Moose. It done so that there is an ease of transition to the big club when players move back and forth . They don't have to learn a new system. However the Moose are losing as well under this system. Nuff said.

New coach = new system. Bring it on !

I'll also add this comment. The NHL is obviously changing to a faster league with less hitting and more finesse. The Jets in the meantime the last few years have opted for size (Ehlers being an exception here). Guys like Logan Stanley are going the way of the dinosaur. Minnesota and Columbus are fast finesse teams and are winning. The Mitch Marners type players are excelling. It seems that a big hitting team isn't faring as well. St. Louis , another big team had a good start but is now clearly showing signs of struggling.

My favorite Jet player remains Ehlers who is fast, nimble , and quick thinking. Petan may also fit this mold. Minnesota and Columbus seems to have four lines like this. We might only have two. Maybe that is the difference. I'm sure this will draw some comments and well made points to the contrary will be made . I am open to hearing them. Maybe guys like Lowry , Thornburn, Stuart, Chariot, just don't fit the new mold and a Dano or Tanev type might be the preferred choice in the new NHL. Watching Andrhetto (?) go coast to coast through our whole team really makes you think.

I disagree with this post. With this logic, I guess the Kings should have traded Quick, the Habs should have traded Price, the Caps should have traded Holtby. All those goalies mentioned struggled early in their careers.
- TheUltimateJet

check your stats!! Price had a 2.56 GAA and 920 save % his rookie year where he started 41 games, Quick had a 2.48 GAA and 914 save % his rookie season where he started 44 games. is that struggling in your book?

check your stats!! Price had a 2.56 GAA and 920 save % his rookie year where he started 41 games, Quick had a 2.48 GAA and 914 save % his rookie season where he started 44 games. is that struggling in your book?
- Ross77

Considering that Habs fans were outraged by Halak being traded when they wanted Price out, I would say yes he was struggling.

Considering that Habs fans were outraged by Halak being traded when they wanted Price out, I would say yes he was struggling.
- TheUltimateJet

I think outraged is a huge exaggeration, they knew what they had with price. Anyways, stats don't lie

I think outraged is a huge exaggeration, they knew what they had with price. Anyways, stats don't lie
- Ross77

You contradict yourself there Ross77. When Rexypoo brings up advanced stats, you don't like them. It appears you only like stats when they fit with your arguments

You contradict yourself there Ross77. When Rexypoo brings up advanced stats, you don't like them. It appears you only like stats when they fit with your arguments
- TheUltimateJet

Also Ross, Could you please tell me which goalie in the league during his second season played 3036 minutes, had 2.83 goals against average, Went 23-16-10 and had a 905 save percentage?

Could you also tell me which other goalie in his second season played 4258 minutes, had a 2.54 goals against average and went 39-24-7, with a 907 save percentage?

As we speak Connor Hellebuyck has a 2.82 goals against average, he is 16-13-1 and has a 907 save percentage.

I can play the stats game as well!!!!

Also Ross, Could you please tell me which goalie in the league during his second season played 3036 minutes, had 2.83 goals against average, Went 23-16-10 and had a 905 save percentage?

Could you also tell me which other goalie in his second season played 4258 minutes, had a 2.54 goals against average and went 39-24-7, with a 907 save percentage?

As we speak Connor Hellebuyck has a 2.82 goals against average, he is 16-13-1 and has a 907 save percentage.

I can play the stats game as well!!!!
- TheUltimateJet

. First off, I did not contradict myself! GAA and save percentage have been around forever and I wouldn't consider them advanced stats. Secondly my original point was some goalies need a change is scene, I never said all goalies I said some and gave examples. You came back and said price and quick, I proved they were very good right away, far better than hellybuck has been by the stats you just pointed out. Hellybuck a stats are not impressive, yet you are saying they are. Sorry pal, your wrong on all accounts today. Let's play again tomorrow

Also Ross, Could you please tell me which goalie in the league during his second season played 3036 minutes, had 2.83 goals against average, Went 23-16-10 and had a 905 save percentage?

Could you also tell me which other goalie in his second season played 4258 minutes, had a 2.54 goals against average and went 39-24-7, with a 907 save percentage?

As we speak Connor Hellebuyck has a 2.82 goals against average, he is 16-13-1 and has a 907 save percentage.

I can play the stats game as well!!!!
- TheUltimateJet

. First off, I did not contradict myself! GAA and save percentage have been around forever and I wouldn't consider them advanced stats. Secondly my original point was some goalies need a change is scene, I never said all goalies I said some and gave examples. You came back and said price and quick, I proved they were very good right away, far better than hellybuck has been by the stats you just pointed out. Hellybuck a stats are not impressive, yet you are saying they are. Sorry pal, your wrong on all accounts today. Let's play again tomorrow

. First off, I did not contradict myself! GAA and save percentage have been around forever and I wouldn't consider them advanced stats. Secondly my original point was some goalies need a change is scene, I never said all goalies I said some and gave examples. You came back and said price and quick, I proved they were very good right away, far better than hellybuck has been by the stats you just pointed out. Hellybuck a stats are not impressive, yet you are saying they are. Sorry pal, your wrong on all accounts today. Let's play again tomorrow
- Ross77

You just refused to answer my question as to which goalies those stats belonged to! Answer the question and then tell me how wrong I was.....

I also said "early in their careers"....

I leave you two alone for 10 minutes and you're already fighting. Ross, apologize to UltimateJet. UltimateJet, apologize to Ross.

I leave you two alone for 10 minutes and you're already fighting. Ross, apologize to UltimateJet. UltimateJet, apologize to Ross.
- Rexypoo

I will apologize after I get an answer to my questions.

I will apologize after I get an answer to my questions.
- TheUltimateJet

Sorry fellas working today, I don't always have time to prove how right i am all the time , lol

Sorry fellas working today, I don't always have time to prove how right i am all the time , lol
- Ross77

Sure.......

Wow. Something needs to change. Team needs tougher character guys that can contribute in both ends.

The Give A poop meter is broken.

This team needs a new head coach badly. Everywhere he goes he over stays his welcome. I personally like the way he handles the press and his so called devotion to the city but this team is lost and that falls on him. Craig button hit the nail on the head when he posted out the fact they can't even break out of the zone. The pp is horrible and the pk not much better. It's not Pauls fault with the goalies I believe he is following orders on who to play that falls on the GM but something has to give here and Chevy isn't going to fore himself. I'm a big believer in building from the net out and the Jets have piss poor goaltending and the defense is just as bad. Hitch would be a good fit for this team he's a hard ass and paul is a players coach. Hitch teams are always good on defense Chevy needs to fore Maurice and get a goalie.