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I have Luongo in my pool...think I might bench him...

Second.

That's not Fehr! zing

Overall the general perception is that Jagr’s stint with the Capitals was a failure. He played in 190 games and scored 83 goals while registering 201 points for a points per game of 1.05. In the modern cap era only four players have a better points per game than Jagr’s “failed” time in Washington: Sidney Crosby (1.33), Evgeni Malkin (1.18), Alexander Ovechkin (1.14), and Joe Thornton (1.06).
- Ryan_Wilson

Jagr's time in Washington was not during the cap era.

Matt Murray will be making the start tonight

Yay!

Jagr's time in Washington was not during the cap era.
- jmatchett383

True. here's a better reason why Jagr's time in wash is unfairly maligned:

During 01-04 when the filthy bastard played for caps: 2.56 - 2.61 team goals/game league wide (5.13 - 5.23 total goals/game leaguewide)
During 07-16 when those other nuts played: 2.64 -2.71 team goals/game league wide
(5.33 - 5.44 total goals/game leaguewide)

Dude was still putting up decent numbers even though he was removed from his late 90s gaudy totals

I have Luongo in my pool...think I might bench him...
- MattStrat

I think all he needs is for Matt Murray to start pumping his tires.

True. here's a better reason why Jagr's time in wash is unfairly maligned:

During 01-04 when the filthy bastard played for caps: 2.56 - 2.61 team goals/game league wide (5.13 - 5.23 total goals/game leaguewide)
During 07-16 when those other nuts played: 2.64 -2.71 team goals/game league wide
(5.33 - 5.44 total goals/game leaguewide)

Dude was still putting up decent numbers even though he was removed from his late 90s gaudy totals
- DeflatedPucks

He was still putting up good numbers. But when you go from averaging 1.57, 1.52, and 1.49 Pts/GP for 3 years and then average 1.14, 1.03, and 0.98 for the next 3 years, it's a disappointment. Not a failure, but not close to the dominating force he was.

He was still putting up good numbers. But when you go from averaging 1.57, 1.52, and 1.49 Pts/GP for 3 years and then average 1.14, 1.03, and 0.98 for the next 3 years, it's a disappointment. Not a failure, but not close to the dominating force he was.
- jmatchett383

Then he averaged .94, 1.50, 1.17 and .87 the next 4 years on the Rags with the last 3 of those being in the salary cap era.

He would of had around 300 more points if he didnt leave the Rags and bolt to the KHL.

EDIT: first of those 4 years with Rags wasnt a full season..almost a half season.

I think all he needs is for Matt Murray to start pumping his tires.
- DeflatedPucks

Then he averaged .94, 1.50, 1.17 and .87 the next 4 years on the Rags with the last 3 of those being in the salary cap era.

He would of had around 300 more points if he didnt leave the Rags and bolt to the KHL.

EDIT: first of those 4 years with Rags wasnt a full season..almost a half season.
- MattStrat

And I wouldn't call those numbers a "failure" either. Had that one moster year with NYR, but for the most part, they were legitimate first line numbers. Just not the same jaw-dropping numbers from his time in Pittsburgh.

I really hope this is another game where the Pens make a mediocre team look good.

I really hope this is another game where the Pens make a mediocre team look good.
- Rinosaur

ye. (frank) this team right?

ye. (frank) this team right?
- martox

It's just so weird about the Pens. They seem to frequently mirror the team's play as far as quality. They play better against better teams and mediocre against mediocre team.

I blame Ray Shero!

The statistical comparisons showing Jagr to be elite during his Washington days are not very meaningful, comparing different time spans and different eras.

Washington expected to receive a player who would challenge for the scoring championships (Art Ross, and Rocket Richard).


The NHL has a tool that helps us with various sorts. I looked up the final three seasons in Pittsburgh, and rank ordered by point per game, those years were by Jagr seasons were ranked 1, 2, and 7 among players in that span.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...sort=points,goals,assists



Fast forward to the three years in Washington. Filtered by points per game, Jagr's three seasons ranked 24, 28, and somewhere beyond the top 60 for all player seasons in those years. Good, but no longer at the elite level. Jagr's ranking in total point production slipped to the lower part of the top 10 to the middle of the second 10. Still pretty good by normal standards, but no longer a guy challenging for a scoring title.


So, compared to his peers in comparable seasons, it's not hard to see why Washington was disappointed.

#Fancycats. #Fehrwouldntmakemylabbattbluetournyteam. #stats!stats!stats! I don't even like Fehr but if he pissses off fancy stat people and the pens are second overall in the nhl Id rather he play.

Not a fan of the Hagelin - Malkin - Kessel line. Who is going to the front of the net to screen the goalie, get deflections and put in rebounds? It's a recipe for tons of possession and perimeter shots with nothing to show for it. I also think having Kunitz and Rust on the same line is a little bit redundant. I'm glad Fehr isn't playing, but what has Wilson done to prove he belongs over Guentzel?

Jagr is a mixed bag from this fan's perspective, but I'm glad he will soon be surpassing that dirty Ranger Messier.

Not a fan of the Hagelin - Malkin - Kessel line. Who is going to the front of the net to screen the goalie, get deflections and put in rebounds? It's a recipe for tons of possession and perimeter shots with nothing to show for it. I also think having Kunitz and Rust on the same line is a little bit redundant. I'm glad Fehr isn't playing, but what has Wilson done to prove he belongs over Guentzel?

Jagr is a mixed bag from this fan's perspective, but I'm glad he will soon be surpassing that dirty Ranger Messier.
- T-Train

Fehr wilson rust kunitz sestito could all accidentally score 3 goals in 2 games playing with geno. Eveeryone beeds to pump the brakes on this Geuntzel.

Not a fan of the Hagelin - Malkin - Kessel line. Who is going to the front of the net to screen the goalie, get deflections and put in rebounds? It's a recipe for tons of possession and perimeter shots with nothing to show for it. I also think having Kunitz and Rust on the same line is a little bit redundant. I'm glad Fehr isn't playing, but what has Wilson done to prove he belongs over Guentzel?

Jagr is a mixed bag from this fan's perspective, but I'm glad he will soon be surpassing that dirty Ranger Messier.
- T-Train

They have generated 14 goals for, and 5 goals against at 5v5 in 152 minutes of ice time since last year

HBK, in 240 minutes together have generated 17 goals for, and 7 against.

HMK - xGF60 - 3.48, xGA60 - 2.29
HBK - xGF60 - 2.96, xGA60 - 2.68

sounds like a recipe of better production than HBK.

Nice to see Fehr ride the pine. I have no concerns other than Maata. He needs to take a seat and enjoy a nice sandwich up in the press box. His thyroid problem is limiting his muscle strength I suspect. DP needs to get out there and show us some moves.

They have generated 14 goals for, and 5 goals against at 5v5 in 152 minutes of ice time since last year

HBK, in 240 minutes together have generated 17 goals for, and 7 against.

HMK - xGF60 - 3.48, xGA60 - 2.29
HBK - xGF60 - 2.96, xGA60 - 2.68

sounds like a recipe of better production than HBK.
- j.boyd919

That's all well and good, but come playoff time when goals are harder to score, you need a line that is able to score "dirty goals". I just don't see anyone in that line going into the "dirty areas" to make this happen. Malkin often ends up there, but his value is cycling in the slot / faceoff area. It's too easy for teams to game plan and defend against.

I think it's best to construct lines for playoff success, regardless of regular season stats. This is to avoid the trap that the old Pens fell into. If you think (like I do) that every line should have a net-front presence, then construct the lines now to accommodate that allow them to develop chemistry so they can hit their stride during the playoffs. Constructing lines with what I deem to be inherent flaws is counterproductive.

That's all well and good, but come playoff time when goals are harder to score, you need a line that is able to score "dirty goals". I just don't see anyone in that line going into the "dirty areas" to make this happen. Malkin often ends up there, but his value is cycling in the slot / faceoff area. It's too easy for teams to game plan and defend against.

I think it's best to construct lines for playoff success, regardless of regular season stats. This is to avoid the trap that the old Pens fell into. If you think (like I do) that every line should have a net-front presence, then construct the lines now to accommodate that allow them to develop chemistry so they can hit their stride during the playoffs. Constructing lines with what I deem to be inherent flaws is counterproductive.
- T-Train

Fehr played just fine in the playoffs last year. So shouldn't he be in the lineup?

That's all well and good, but come playoff time when goals are harder to score, you need a line that is able to score "dirty goals". I just don't see anyone in that line going into the "dirty areas" to make this happen. Malkin often ends up there, but his value is cycling in the slot / faceoff area. It's too easy for teams to game plan and defend against.

I think it's best to construct lines for playoff success, regardless of regular season stats. This is to avoid the trap that the old Pens fell into. If you think (like I do) that every line should have a net-front presence, then construct the lines now to accommodate that allow them to develop chemistry so they can hit their stride during the playoffs. Constructing lines with what I deem to be inherent flaws is counterproductive.
- T-Train

Pens scored 2.94 goals per game in the regular season
Pens scored 3.04 goals per game in the playoffs.

If goals were harder to score, I don't think they would average 3 goals a game.