Habs Talk: The case for Galchenyuk on LTIR, by Andrew Saadalla A short preview of tonight's matchup versus the Blues. Why don't the Habs ever reveal injuries like most teams?
&, a formula to bring in help while Galchenyuk is sidelined.

Habs Talk: The case for Galchenyuk on LTIR, by Andrew Saadalla
A short preview of tonight's matchup versus the Blues. Why don't the Habs ever reveal injuries like most teams?
&, a formula to bring in help while Galchenyuk is sidelined.
- Habs Talk

You were right - it's long.

Listen - if secrecy re injuries was not permitted, wouldn't the league step in?

You were right - it's long.

Listen - if secrecy re injuries was not permitted, wouldn't the league step in?
- hscesq

It all comes off as a bit of a whine. I couldn't give a rat (frank) what Boston or any of the other organizations do.

It all comes off as a bit of a whine. I couldn't give a rat (frank) what Boston or any of the other organizations do.
- Pie

and regardless of Beleskey's situation the Bruins are also secretive.

It all comes off as a bit of a whine. I couldn't give a rat (frank) what Boston or any of the other organizations do.
- Pie

Is there no specific protocol?

It all comes off as a bit of a whine. I couldn't give a rat (frank) what Boston or any of the other organizations do.
- Pie

You clearly missed the several points I made.

The Red Wings, unless I'm mistaken, are still hoping to make the playoffs which makes it doubtful they'd trade Thomas Vanek....

As for Yakupov, considering what the blues gave up for him (which is very close to nothing) I'd dare think if Bergevin had been even slightly interested, it would have been done by now.

I am quite sure that you can retroactively set players on LTIR if it is determined that they will miss more than 10 games later on while they are still injured.

Also maybe the management feels it's beneficial, from an on-ice strategy viewpoint, to not report the type of injury to the whole world. I am also confident that if this type of thinking helps win games, then the fans would prefer this.

I am quite sure that you can retroactively set players on LTIR if it is determined that they will miss more than 10 games later on while they are still injured.

Also maybe the management feels it's beneficial, from an on-ice strategy viewpoint, to not report the type of injury to the whole world. I am also confident that if this type of thinking helps win games, then the fans would prefer this.
- greekdude4567

'Sup Prax?

The Red Wings, unless I'm mistaken, are still hoping to make the playoffs which makes it doubtful they'd trade Thomas Vanek....

As for Yakupov, considering what the blues gave up for him (which is very close to nothing) I'd dare think if Bergevin had been even slightly interested, it would have been done by now.
- Scabeh

Healthy scratch nine times since trade.

The Red Wings, unless I'm mistaken, are still hoping to make the playoffs which makes it doubtful they'd trade Thomas Vanek....

As for Yakupov, considering what the blues gave up for him (which is very close to nothing) I'd dare think if Bergevin had been even slightly interested, it would have been done by now.
- Scabeh

The Red Wings' fans are distraught by the season the team is having, and not many believe they'll make it for a 26th consecutive season. Trading Vanek to MTL could be to their advantage, depending on the price to be paid.

Yakupov is talented, no doubt, but he's also not working out in St. Louis as he's scratched for a ninth game tonight. Bringing him in to play anywhere in the top-9 could be a very low-risk gamble worth taking, especially with Radulov, Emelin, Markov, and to a lesser extent, Galchenyuk all capable of integrating him well. Radulov could show Yaks how he's been well-received, which could motivate him to play up to his skillset.

Thank you, btw, for actually arguing with some of the specific content in the blog.

I am quite sure that you can retroactively set players on LTIR if it is determined that they will miss more than 10 games later on while they are still injured.

Also maybe the management feels it's beneficial, from an on-ice strategy viewpoint, to not report the type of injury to the whole world. I am also confident that if this type of thinking helps win games, then the fans would prefer this.
- greekdude4567

To your first point, yes you can. Corey Crawford was placed on the IR retroactive to Dec. 3rd. That's the most timely example I can think of.

Not sure I agree with your second point, although I can certainly appreciate your critical thinking. The problem is that Habs fans HATE this.

The Red Wings' fans are distraught by the season the team is having, and not many believe they'll make it for a 26th consecutive season. Trading Vanek to MTL could be to their advantage, depending on the price to be paid.

Yakupov is talented, no doubt, but he's also not working out in St. Louis as he's scratched for a ninth game tonight. Bringing him in to play anywhere in the top-9 could be a very low-risk gamble worth taking, especially with Radulov, Emelin, Markov, and to a lesser extent, Galchenyuk all capable of integrating him well. Radulov could show Yaks how he's been well-received, which could motivate him to play up to his skillset.

Thank you, btw, for actually arguing with some of the specific content in the blog.
- Andrew Saadalla

Ok, I'll ask again. Is there a specific protocol when it comes to this issue?

Habs Talk: The case for Galchenyuk on LTIR, by Andrew Saadalla
A short preview of tonight's matchup versus the Blues. Why don't the Habs ever reveal injuries like most teams?
&, a formula to bring in help while Galchenyuk is sidelined.
- Habs Talk

You were right... it is a long blog.

Wrong on the cap calculating part... you should look up the pro-rata thing thing about the cap.


Also, Teams don't remove money from the cap when a player goes on the LTIR. They are allowed to go over the cap the same amount that they would save (pro-rata) while the player's on the LTIR.

edit: if a team has 1M in cap relief on game 1, that cap space would be the equivalent of 3-4M$ cap space by the deadline (deadline always changesence the 3-4).

I am quite sure that you can retroactively set players on LTIR if it is determined that they will miss more than 10 games later on while they are still injured.

Also maybe the management feels it's beneficial, from an on-ice strategy viewpoint, to not report the type of injury to the whole world. I am also confident that if this type of thinking helps win games, then the fans would prefer this.
- greekdude4567

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Thanks PRax

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Thanks PRax
- WaterBoy

To your first point, yes you can. Corey Crawford was placed on the IR retroactive to Dec. 3rd. That's the most timely example I can think of.

Not sure I agree with your second point, although I can certainly appreciate your critical thinking. The problem is that Habs fans HATE this.
- Andrew Saadalla

No we don't

Except for 3M

Ok, I'll ask again. Is there a specific protocol when it comes to this issue?
- hscesq

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The Red Wings' fans are distraught by the season the team is having, and not many believe they'll make it for a 26th consecutive season. Trading Vanek to MTL could be to their advantage, depending on the price to be paid.

Yakupov is talented, no doubt, but he's also not working out in St. Louis as he's scratched for a ninth game tonight. Bringing him in to play anywhere in the top-9 could be a very low-risk gamble worth taking, especially with Radulov, Emelin, Markov, and to a lesser extent, Galchenyuk all capable of integrating him well. Radulov could show Yaks how he's been well-received, which could motivate him to play up to his skillset.

Thank you, btw, for actually arguing with some of the specific content in the blog.
- Andrew Saadalla

I don't disagree with you about Yakupov being a low-risk/high reward gamble but this is nothing new, he was in the same situation last summer and obviously the Habs made no attempt to make it happen. His play in St-Louis didn't change the opinion Habs management has of him imo.

I don't disagree with you about Yakupov being a low-risk/high reward gamble but this is nothing new, he was in the same situation last summer and obviously the Habs made no attempt to make it happen. His play in St-Louis didn't change the opinion Habs management has of him imo.
- Scabeh

Nick Bjugstag would be a better trade.

I don't disagree with you about Yakupov being a low-risk/high reward gamble but this is nothing new, he was in the same situation last summer and obviously the Habs made no attempt to make it happen. His play in St-Louis didn't change the opinion Habs management has of him imo.
- Scabeh

But maybe the prospect of playing with Yakupov will motivate Galchenyuk to heal faster!

Nick Bjugstag would be a better trade.
- WaterBoy

But he won't come cheap, and I don't see the Panthers being sellers this year.

Ok, I'll ask again. Is there a specific protocol when it comes to this issue?
- hscesq

All determinations that a player has suffered an injury warranting injured reserve status must be made by the Club's medical staff and in accordance with the Club's medical standards.

There are no mention of wheter or not teams need to disclose the injuries or not.

Basically, they can do what they want.

Personally, I think in most cases Habs keeping the injuries a secret is a non-issue.

Sure there are very specific cases where you can blame the team for fueling false hope for fans (like Price last season)... but I can't think of many.

I think that, fantasy leagues aside, it won't change much in our lives to know for sure if it's the knee or the ankle that's hurting Galchenyuk (it's the knee, we all saw it!) or if that's it going to be 4-6 weeks instead of 2 months.

But maybe the prospect of playing with Yakupov will motivate Galchenyuk to heal faster!
- EssuieToutJeune

You were right... it is a long blog.

Wrong on the cap calculating part... you should look up the pro-rata thing thing about the cap.


Also, Teams don't remove money from the cap when a player goes on the LTIR. They are allowed to go over the cap the same amount that they would save (pro-rata) while the player's on the LTIR.

edit: if a team has 1M in cap relief on game 1, that cap space would be the equivalent of 3-4M$ cap space by the deadline (deadline always changesence the 3-4).
- WaterBoy

Interesting input, thanks! I'm assuming that essentially, if everything is pro-rated, my specific numbers are off but the logic remains the same.

I included the formula to determine how much they can go over the salary cap, courtesy of CapFriendly.com

I believe their formulas are up to date!