GARTH'S CORNER: Hamilton Controversy

dis should be good

This deal would never happen. It is the one between the two teams that makes the most sense for dollars in, dollars out. Tim won't likely be the one to go for this. We are preciously missing any kind of offense. I think Buffalo has a better chance to score with Kane on the team than without. He will keep throwing pucks at the net, and eventually some will go in. The whole team is "gripping their sticks too tight". They need a little "puck luck" at some point.

When we are playing between 3 and 5 Rochester players a night, patience is necessary from the fans. Our goaltending is keeping us in games most nights, but we are not scoring enough.

Do we need Hamilton, Absolutely! There is no way in hell Gorges nor Franson should be playing as much TOI as they are now. McCabe is coming along nicely, but even he is playing a little more than he should at this point.

Maybe Treliving comes here and has a few too many at at 716 and makes a weird, Buffalo favorable, trade. I doubt it, but stranger things have happened. After all, Taylor Hall was traded straight up for Adam Larsson.

If I'm CGY and Kane is the center piece of this deal I'm easily looking for at least a 1st and probably another prospect as the asking price.

Sounds like Calgary has been frustrated with Mikael Backlund, as well. Maybe Buffalo trades Evander Kane and Cody Franson (RHD) for Mikael Backlund and Doug Hamilton (RHD). I'm sure a prospect or draft pick could be involved, but not necessarily anything overly significant. That being said, the Flames would get long-term salary relief and that has significant value not to be undervalued in the equation. I could actually see this type of deal making sense. Backlund would provide a solid NHL forward who wins 50% of his draws to backfill Kane's departure. Franson would temporarily fill in for the Flames on their blueline. It really would depend on if the Flames want to improve their forward ranks at the expense of the depth on the blueline and vice versa for Buffalo.

If I'm CGY and Kane is the center piece of this deal I'm easily looking for at least a 1st and probably another prospect as the asking price.
- Mordecai

No kidding

No way does the often injured trouble child of Kane come anywhere close to landing DH. If Friedman is right about Buffalo's whacko ask price & teams like Vanc just walk away, Kane will be a Sabre for a long time. Kane to balance the $$$ a 1st & a top prospect or a 2nd will be the price tag. Don't like it, then find another #3 Dman elsewhere.

Sounds like Calgary has been frustrated with Mikael Backlund, as well. Maybe Buffalo trades Evander Kane and Cody Franson (RHD) for Mikael Backlund and Doug Hamilton (RHD). I'm sure a prospect or draft pick could be involved, but not necessarily anything overly significant. That being said, the Flames would get long-term salary relief and that has significant value not to be undervalued in the equation. I could actually see this type of deal making sense. Backlund would provide a solid NHL forward who wins 50% of his draws to backfill Kane's departure. Franson would temporarily fill in for the Flames on their blueline. It really would depend on if the Flames want to improve their forward ranks at the expense of the depth on the blueline and vice versa for Buffalo.
- djc1877

Dream on.

Dream on.
- Kevin R

I only meant in terms of contract dollars... Hamilton right now looks like an albatross of a contract, so don't underestimate the relief of shedding the potential anchor. As I mentioned, there may be a need for a prospect or pick, too. I'm not familiar with Ferland, but maybe Girgensons for Ferland added in as well? Ferland statistically doesn't appear to be anyone special and Girgensons in one season had as many points as Ferland has put up in his 3-year career combined. Kane has value regardless of his bad press... his skill set is unique. Why else would a goon who can score like Tkachuk go so high in the draft? That guy isn't a good skater, but he drives the net and plays the dirty game that continues to become more rare in today's NHL. Bad press aside, Kane does exactly the same thing but skates significantly better.

I only meant in terms of contract dollars... Hamilton right now looks like an albatross of a contract, so don't underestimate the relief of shedding the potential anchor. As I mentioned, there may be a need for a prospect or pick, too. I'm not familiar with Ferland, but maybe Girgensons for Ferland added in as well? Ferland statistically doesn't appear to be anyone special and Girgensons in one season had as many points as Ferland has put up in his 3-year career combined. Kane has value regardless of his bad press... his skill set is unique. Why else would a goon who can score like Tkachuk go so high in the draft? That guy isn't a good skater, but he drives the net and plays the dirty game that continues to become more rare in today's NHL. Bad press aside, Kane does exactly the same thing but skates significantly better.
- djc1877

Hamilton's contact is fine. He isn't the problem in CGY and honestly he should get more minutes.

Comparing Kane to Tkachuk is silly. Also, Tkachuk actually hits the net more often than not.

The only reason GMTM has struck out on Fowler, Trouba, Hutton et al is that we he is offering isn't enough.

Trading future picks is a bad idea. Trading Guhle or Nylander, also a bad idea.

If I'm GMTM, I might want to dangle Reinhart. I don't think he has the footspeed to ever live up to his draft billing.

Hamilton's contact is fine. He isn't the problem in CGY and honestly he should get more minutes.

Comparing Kane to Tkachuk is silly. Also, Tkachuk actually hits the net more often than not.
- Mordecai

You're right... Kane had more upside than Tkachuk coming into his draft year. Kane's all around skills are better than Tkachuk's. My point was that everyone acts like these unproven kids are so special when they go high in the draft, yet when a proven NHL player was also drafted that high he is no longer worth anything all of a sudden because he gets in some trouble outside of the rink? It isn't like Kane killed someone and we have no idea what the truth is about the situations with each of the women who made their accusations. Patrick Kane supposedly was guilty of the same, but because he scores more goals all is forgiven now?? I'm not necessarily a fan of Evander due to these same accusations, but I for one have been accused of plenty in my life that I was not guilty of... so I am not casting a stone from a glass house, nor should anyone else who isn't perfect.

Dougie Hamilton for Kane and a 2nd. That's pure comedy genius.

You're right... Kane had more upside than Tkachuk coming into his draft year. Kane's all around skills are better than Tkachuk's. My point was that everyone acts like these unproven kids are so special when they go high in the draft, yet when a proven NHL player was also drafted that high he is no longer worth anything all of a sudden because he gets in some trouble outside of the rink? It isn't like Kane killed someone and we have no idea what the truth is about the situations with each of the women who made their accusations. Patrick Kane supposedly was guilty of the same, but because he scores more goals all is forgiven now?? I'm not necessarily a fan of Evander due to these same accusations, but I for one have been accused of plenty in my life that I was not guilty of... so I am not casting a stone from a glass house, nor should anyone else who isn't perfect.
- djc1877

I would take Tkachuk>Kane every day and twice on Sundays

Sounds like Calgary has been frustrated with Mikael Backlund, as well. Maybe Buffalo trades Evander Kane and Cody Franson (RHD) for Mikael Backlund and Doug Hamilton (RHD). I'm sure a prospect or draft pick could be involved, but not necessarily anything overly significant. That being said, the Flames would get long-term salary relief and that has significant value not to be undervalued in the equation. I could actually see this type of deal making sense. Backlund would provide a solid NHL forward who wins 50% of his draws to backfill Kane's departure. Franson would temporarily fill in for the Flames on their blueline. It really would depend on if the Flames want to improve their forward ranks at the expense of the depth on the blueline and vice versa for Buffalo.
- djc1877

what a terrible value trade for CGY. CGY is not frustrated with Backlund. He's one of the best 3rd line C in the league; always has the puck moving in the right direction. His shot is a not of a muffin but he has great hands and mind for the game.

Franson is garbage and whether you want to believe it or not, a troubled child player, talented or not, is not worth what he should be. Isn't his rape trial still on- going? He could end up in jail. Take out Backlund and maybe you could look at a Kane- Franson deal is a start. But I would want...demand actually a 1st because the value is just not enough. Also, Kane is a LW is he not? We have enough LW talent. We need RW preferably with a right shot.

Kane got an ACD. Adjournment Contemplating Dismissal. He's guilty, but has no record so if he keeps his nose clean, the charges will get dropped. Typically the people whom were affected by the actions chose to not pursue or were lenient. Kane was accused, and accepted an ACD because the deal wasn't going to get any better. Patrick Kane didn't do it, his accuser was CLEARLY lying about major events. The only similarities in the cases, they played the same sport, they happened in Buffalo, the accused had the same last name.

Difference,
Patrick was innocent, Evander wasn't.

That is all.

what controversy am i missing here?

You're right... Kane had more upside than Tkachuk coming into his draft year. Kane's all around skills are better than Tkachuk's. My point was that everyone acts like these unproven kids are so special when they go high in the draft, yet when a proven NHL player was also drafted that high he is no longer worth anything all of a sudden because he gets in some trouble outside of the rink? It isn't like Kane killed someone and we have no idea what the truth is about the situations with each of the women who made their accusations. Patrick Kane supposedly was guilty of the same, but because he scores more goals all is forgiven now?? I'm not necessarily a fan of Evander due to these same accusations, but I for one have been accused of plenty in my life that I was not guilty of... so I am not casting a stone from a glass house, nor should anyone else who isn't perfect.
- djc1877

I have to sorta agree...Kanes troubles aside, it seems high drafted kids are like new cars...worth way more before they gain NHL experience. Seems kinda stupid .

Playing Hamilton with Gio is looking like pure genius. Why did it take so long? He's not going anywhere unless he demands a trade.