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Jason Lewis
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 07.17.2013

Sep 30 @ 11:44 PM ET
Jason Lewis: Realistic Expectations for the Los Angeles Kings Offense
penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
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Sep 30 @ 11:45 PM ET
Jason Lewis: Realistic Expectations for the Los Angeles Kings Offense
- Jason_Lewis

are you high?
not_that_lanny
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
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Oct 1 @ 12:16 AM ET
the window is closed. old and slow
KINGS67
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Rolling Hills Estates, CA
Joined: 01.29.2010

Oct 1 @ 1:29 AM ET
Not expecting a whole lot out of the offense. Let's hope quick puts up Vezina type numbers and the defense plays well enough in front of him. I won't be that surprised if they miss playoffs. Which would obviously suck! Here's to hoping DL keeps ALL picks!
Jmoogs
Los Angeles Kings
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Oct 1 @ 3:37 AM ET
Uu forgot setoguchi and his 15-20
CRTNLarva_2.0
Los Angeles Kings
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Joined: 08.16.2016

Oct 1 @ 3:58 AM ET
Remember too that Andreoff really came on in the latter part of the year with like 5 or 6 goals. He had a shorty as well against the quacks this preseason. There will be sureprises like that I'm surer.

Anyway, I'm optimistic about the offense this year. Carter was on pace for much more before his injury. Gaborik wasn't really finding a groove but when he does it think we can see a Hoasa like comeback. Kopitar is a ten million dollar man, so I think he will try to earn his keep and not be so damn hot and cold offensively all the time. Pearson, like you mentioned, has the tools, and Toffoli will be better as well.

As far as the bottom 6 goes; I mentioned Andreoff, but I think there will still be some struggles there unless you see a guy like Mersch really take the reigns. It will have to be some up and comers. Dowd is another guy who gives me hope for more depth and a better bottom six. Auger is another guy who may steal the show, or even Kempe. Forget Shore or Lewis. These are typical guys who can put up numbers in the AHL but definetly not the NHL. I give them credit on there defensive prowess though.

All in all, I'd like to see a more offensive game and I would like to see Doughty put up Karlsson numbers like we all know he can when given the reign to do so. Defense is important but guys have to be able to score if they can score and not hold back.
PlayerX
Los Angeles Kings
Location: CA
Joined: 08.14.2014

Oct 1 @ 10:23 AM ET
2013-2014, Kings were 26th in Offense for Regular Season, in the Playoffs they were #1. Tried to post a screen grab graphic but won't work here.[/img]
Flamin_Irishmin
Calgary Flames
Location: Victoria B.C., BC
Joined: 09.15.2015

Oct 1 @ 12:07 PM ET
I tell you what, if you lose Anze Kopitar to injury for any significant length of time, that would pretty much end any playoff hopes...
Osprey
Joined: 11.10.2015

Oct 1 @ 5:20 PM ET
To be honest, these expectations aren't "realistic." They're rather optimistic. Every forward is not going to post an improvement over last year. That never happens. Players under-perform and players get injured. There are also only so many opportunities and only so much ice time. For example, Lewis and King are not both going to score more than last season if they're competing for the same spot again (Lewis was promoted from the 4th line to the 3rd when King was injured).

xGF60 - GF60

Lewis - 2.56 - 1.47
Shore - 2.49 - 0.91
Brown - 2.59 - 1.58

Players that scored at about their right expected totals were Kopitar, Toffoli, and Milan Lucic.

- Jason Lewis

Actually, Kopitar, Toffoli, Lucic and Carter all scored a little above their expected totals.

xGF60 - GF60

Kopitar - 3.22 - 3.70
Toffoli - 3.40 - 3.74
Lucic - 3.47 - 3.92
Carter - 3.42 - 3.95

Between the four of them, by my calculations, that translates to about 12 more goals scored than they were expected to. So, you have to account for the possibly that they may regress toward the mean a bit, at least if you're going to account for under-performing players doing the same.

Just as importantly, if you compare the expected totals between the two groups, you can see how messed up the expected totals for Lewis, Shore and Brown must be. There's no way that those three, especially Lewis and Shore, would ever be expected to put up 75% of the production of Kopitar. That's not going to happen, so the data in the left column means nothing. It's much more likely that they'll continue to put up data more in line with the right column, which shows no more than 40% the production of Kopitar and is about what you'd expect.

In total that's around 140 goals or so from the Kings Top 9 forwards. The Kings forwards last year scored 182 goals, and that was for league average, which you would more than settle for for such a good defensive team. Basically the Kings will be asking, Nolan, Andreoff, Dowd, Purcell, Latta, Clifford and Michael Mersch to contribute 40 some odd goals. Between seven guys that should be more than doable.
- Jason Lewis

If you're counting up 140 goals from your top 9 players, then you're expecting the 4th line to chip in 40 goals. That very unrealistic. Yes, those 7 players, with the right opportunities, could collectively score 40 goals, but the team doesn't get to dress 16 forwards. They can dress only 12, and you're not going to have just 3 of those players account for 40 goals, especially not on the 4th line. If you get more than 3 in the lineup at the same time, with one on a higher line, then someone else (and his goals) that you included in the 140 goals from the top 9 has to be coming out. It all just doesn't add up.

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All of that said, I agree that the actual number of goals scored isn't as important as the differential and that they could afford a drop in goal scoring if they get defense like they have in the past. That's the issue, though, IMO. With all of the kids and new players being thrown into the mix, it stands to reason that the defense may take a bit of a hit as these players adjust to the NHL and the Kings system and make novice mistakes. It'll still be quite good, but if defense takes a small hit and offense takes a small hit, both of which seem likely, it could spell trouble. Allowing only 10 more goals over 82 games and scoring only 10 fewer may seem rather insignificant, but that's a 20-goal differential, which can easily be the difference between a divisional playoff spot and missing the playoffs entirely.
Jason Lewis
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 07.17.2013

Oct 1 @ 8:23 PM ET

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All of that said, I agree that the actual number of goals scored isn't as important as the differential and that they could afford a drop in goal scoring if they get defense like they have in the past. That's the issue, though, IMO. With all of the kids and new players being thrown into the mix, it stands to reason that the defense may take a bit of a hit as these players adjust to the NHL and the Kings system and make novice mistakes. It'll still be quite good, but if defense takes a small hit and offense takes a small hit, both of which seem likely, it could spell trouble. Allowing only 10 more goals over 82 games and scoring only 10 fewer may seem rather insignificant, but that's a 20-goal differential, which can easily be the difference between a divisional playoff spot and missing the playoffs entirely.

- Osprey



A worthwhile concern, the Kings try to generally employ safety net players with younger guys in order to work them in.

Aka Voynov with Mitchell, Martinez with Greene, Carter centering "The Kids".

Going to be interesting to see if Sutter trusts players like Toffoli or Clifford now to take someone ala Dowd or Mersch under their wing as the safety net piece.
tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Oct 3 @ 6:59 PM ET
I tell you what, if you lose Anze Kopitar to injury for any significant length of time, that would pretty much end any playoff hopes...
- Flamin_Irishmin


You can say this about the best player on any team, although I think Doughty would be a bigger loss to this team's success than Kopitar.

Pittsburgh without Crosby, Chicago without Kane, Montreal without Price. All of those situations end with their respective teams on the outside looking in.