Ed Stein: Camp Opens Friday, 47 & 67 Not on Roster.

I tried to give BM the benefit of the doubt but as it dragged on and on and on the feeling got worse and worse and now he has Totally FKD it up - I had a bad feeling on this as far back as July and have gone on record as saying this was going to be a problem- Terrible just no excuse -
He should be fired on the spot if 47 is not in camp Friday -
He had one job this offseason... One .. get these 2 guys signed especially 47 and he has DCKD around and now it looks as though it has completely gone to hell - Please for the love of God sell the team Samuelis to someone who wants to win -

Yeah, I was present when Murray said both players would be signed sometime "in August OR September." He's got 9 days to keep that promise. 47 and 67 aren't the only 2 prominent RFA's that are still without a contract. It's not time to panic just yet. Can think about it, just not time to.

Yeah, I was present when Murray said both players would be signed sometime "in August OR September." He's got 9 days to keep that promise. 47 and 67 aren't the only 2 prominent RFA's that are still without a contract. It's not time to panic just yet. Can think about it, just not time to.
- quackup

Really don't understand why fans ever believe GMs when they say something. Of course he's going to say what the fans want to hear. Look at bergevin in MTL "Subban is not going to be traded" boom was traded within days.

Good read Ed! I was wondering what was going on with Shawn Horcoff. Best of luck to him in Detroit.

I don't know what the hold up is with Rickard Rakell and Hampus Lindholm. Post Vermette signing there is 6.7 mil in cap space according to NHLnumbers.com. I don't know how much of Nate Thompson's 1.7 mil will be freed up since he's on LTIR. Obviously they're not going to be signed during the World Cup, but something is going to happen soon (amazing insight).

I think both will be resigned, but it'll cost more than 6.7 million. That's unless Bob Murray can pull another Bonino contract out of his hat. Who knows? Dominos. Cheesy comment is cheesy.

Anyways, enough japes. The World Cup of Hockey is on TV. Corey Perry looks good. I know Perry can do a few things better in regards to on-ice demeanor and defense. He's not the quickest, but he's done a good job of staying skating, which is a good counter to acceleration. He's taking good angles on the puck. Vintage.

Then there is Ryan Kesler over on team U.S.A. They played terrible. John Tortorella didn't have United States ready. He gave Kesler 16 minutes TOI. Moreover, he didn't look "there." Tortorella was the straw that broke the camel's back in Vancouver. Was there elbows rubbed? Maybe. I feel like Kesler is playing in damage control mode. Hate to say it, but with that roster and coach. Sheesh!

Really don't understand why fans ever believe GMs when they say something. Of course he's going to say what the fans want to hear. Look at bergevin in MTL "Subban is not going to be traded" boom was traded within days.
- KINGS67

Trade vs signing a RFA not really comparable. I get where you're coming from, but unless Rakell or Lindholm are subject to an offer sheet which the Ducks don't match, what exactly can either player do? They have zero leverage. If they don't sign by Dec. 1, then they can't play this season. They have zero income. Maybe they play overseas. Then we repeat this same scenario next year. Both players are under team control until they turn 27.

I don't want anyone but the Samuelis owning the Ducks, or the Gulls for that matter. But I don't really care if dozerD10 roots for another team if the Samuelis aren't good enough. Come on man, they are great owners.

I tried to give BM the benefit of the doubt but as it dragged on and on and on the feeling got worse and worse and now he has Totally FKD it up - I had a bad feeling on this as far back as July and have gone on record as saying this was going to be a problem- Terrible just no excuse -
He should be fired on the spot if 47 is not in camp Friday -
He had one job this offseason... One .. get these 2 guys signed especially 47 and he has DCKD around and now it looks as though it has completely gone to hell - Please for the love of God sell the team Samuelis to someone who wants to win -
- dozerD10

I don't want anyone but the Samuelis owning the Ducks, or the Gulls for that matter. But I don't really care if dozerD10 roots for another team if the Samuelis aren't good enough. Come on man, they are great owners.

I don't want anyone but the Samuelis owning the Ducks, or the Gulls for that matter. But I don't really care if dozerD10 roots for another team if the Samuelis aren't good enough. Come on man, they are great owners.
- yzermaneely

I don't want anyone but the Samuelis owning the Ducks, or the Gulls for that matter. But I don't really care if dozerD10 roots for another team if the Samuelis aren't good enough. Come on man, they are great owners.
- yzermaneely

Well they have done a nice job of running the franchise - but if they are going to employ a GM that lets this get away from them - and run the team on a budget that will not spend to the cap then that says they are not interested in winning - it's as simple as that -

Well they have done a nice job of running the franchise - but if they are going to employ a GM that lets this get away from them - and run the team on a budget that will not spend to the cap then that says they are not interested in winning - it's as simple as that -
- dozerD10

If the team drew to 100% capacity every game as other teams do, then maybe they spend to the cap. It would also help if the arena held another 1000 people for hockey, as its capacity of just over 17, 000 makes it one of the smaller arenas in the league.

It's a business, after all. Now, I get the owners have billions, but it's still a business. Have you seen the improvements to the arena that the owners paid for? I get the frustration, but to accuse THESE owners of "not wanting to win" is ludicrous. Also, this same GM has assembled a team that's won the Pacific the last 4 years. Yes, they've blown in the playoffs, but at least they've made the playoffs. I'm willing to reserve judgement on the Rakell/Lindholm situation until Dec. 1, and if still unsigned at that point, will then join you in your frustration.

Agree with you in regards to the Samueli's. I am grateful they own the Ducks, this is 10 times better than when Disney owned them, however, I disagree with you 100% in regards to signing Lindholm. I've posted this before so sorry for the repetitiveness but Hampus is graded by every talent evaluator in Anaheim as the best defenseman on the roster. Why he was not the number one priority in the off-season before all of the other crap that was done is beyond my comprehension. Every time I look at the Ducks roster on General Fanager and see $900K next to Jared Boll I swear to God I think I'm going to have a conniption!

It seems to me, by looking at fan reactions, that too many people would have Lindholm for 5 years rather than 10+. They likely would have made a huge financial blunder with Hampus. I haven't seen or heard anything that suggest a real problem with negotiations. I think both sides understand what his value is and both sides understand the cap situation.

I think the problem is that Murray underestimated the trade market after hitting a home run with the Andersen trade. I'm sure he and his team are reevaluating many players, specifically defensemen, to guage the opportunity cost of keeping or trading each player. This is a process he likely restarted sometime in August when early plans fell thru. I'm sure the deals will get done in time. I'm actually, kind of surprisingly, not at all worried about it right now.

If the team drew to 100% capacity every game as other teams do, then maybe they spend to the cap. It would also help if the arena held another 1000 people for hockey, as its capacity of just over 17, 000 makes it one of the smaller arenas in the league.

It's a business, after all. Now, I get the owners have billions, but it's still a business. Have you seen the improvements to the arena that the owners paid for? I get the frustration, but to accuse THESE owners of "not wanting to win" is ludicrous. Also, this same GM has assembled a team that's won the Pacific the last 4 years. Yes, they've blown in the playoffs, but at least they've made the playoffs. I'm willing to reserve judgement on the Rakell/Lindholm situation until Dec. 1, and if still unsigned at that point, will then join you in your frustration.
- quackup

Well I can appreciate the improvements they paid for ... They do own the Bldg after all, However the improvements were needed it's like mowing the lawn / replacing Windows / adding AC / it wasn't anything above and beyond - and yes a homeless dog would have been better owner than Disney / my not wanting to win comment is directed specifically to this current situation where you have cornerstone players and don't make them a priority -

Well I can appreciate the improvements they paid for ... They do own the Bldg after all, However the improvements were needed it's like mowing the lawn / replacing Windows / adding AC / it wasn't anything above and beyond - and yes a homeless dog would have been better owner than Disney / my not wanting to win comment is directed specifically to this current situation where you have cornerstone players and don't make them a priority -
- dozerD10

No they don't. They manage the building. They own the concession company that serves the facility. The actual building is owned by the city of Anaheim.

(Info based on googling the Honda Center.)

I don't want anyone but the Samuelis owning the Ducks, or the Gulls for that matter. But I don't really care if dozerD10 roots for another team if the Samuelis aren't good enough. Come on man, they are great owners.
- yzermaneely

Truth.

I think Murray will get a deal done and sign both Swedes, but with how long this has dragged on, he's lost a lot of leverage if he wants to move salary in a trade to sign them. Rosters are a lot more set now than they were back in July with guys signed to whatever cap structure each club maintains.

Ideally, if you moved Fowler, you'd want to bring in a forward and get some cap room. You aren't getting proven wing help in the top 6 plus getting cap space to sign the Swedes unless the team you trade with also takes back salary. So that leaves only a handful of trade partners with the Ducks giving up prospects along with a proven NHL talent in Fowler.

Trade vs signing a RFA not really comparable. I get where you're coming from, but unless Rakell or Lindholm are subject to an offer sheet which the Ducks don't match, what exactly can either player do? They have zero leverage. If they don't sign by Dec. 1, then they can't play this season. They have zero income. Maybe they play overseas. Then we repeat this same scenario next year. Both players are under team control until they turn 27.
- quackup

I agree . We have plenty of dmen to take up the slack if lindholm holds out . Right now Rakell would leave a bigger hole on the roster . so I'm not worried about a hold out . What nobody has talked about is how the salary cap not raising this year is affecting the restricted free agents . Right now every team is tring to minimize there contracts to make them cap friendly . The only thing a agent can do is hold out . But to what effect . Its not like holding out is going to raise the cap . So I'm going to wait too judge bob . Sure he's taking his time . But there are alot of factors to figure in too this situation . That said . If he messes this up . Then we through book at him

C'man Bob do your job!!!!!!!!