HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Thoughts On The Crouse Trade Between The Panthers & Coyotes?

the real loser here is my interest

Terrible deal for the Coyotes on all fronts

Even if Bolland is LTIR, They will still have to pay him the 1 million per year or so that insurance doesn't cover. If he was going to be LTIR, then Florida should have just kept him

Assuming he actually comes back (which is probably Florida's fear), then the yotes will be paying 5.5 million per in actual cash to a guy who is a terrible hockey player

And for their trouble they gave up a 2nd and a 3rd (likely high picks) for Crouse, who by all accounts is probably worth a 2nd and a 3rd alone

Florida knows something that the 27yo Chayka doesn't. It's probably that Crouse sucks and Bolland will probably return someday

Not enough upside from the Coyotes that mitigate those risks

Should have been Bolland and Crouse for a conditional 7th

Terrible deal for the Coyotes on all fronts

Even if Bolland is LTIR, They will still have to pay him the 1 million per year or so that insurance doesn't cover. If he was going to be LTIR, then Florida should have just kept him

Assuming he actually comes back (which is probably Florida's fear), then the yotes will be paying 5.5 million per in actual cash to a guy who is a terrible hockey player

And for their trouble they gave up a 2nd and a 3rd (likely high picks) for Crouse, who by all accounts is probably worth a 2nd and a 3rd alone

Florida knows something that the 27yo Chayka doesn't. It's probably that Crouse sucks and Bolland will probably return someday

Not enough upside from the Coyotes that mitigate those risks

Should have been Bolland and Crouse for a conditional 7th
- TheGame316

even so Crouse isnt exactly a high end prospect he's certainly more worthy than a 7th rounder...

Terrible deal for the Coyotes on all fronts

Even if Bolland is LTIR, They will still have to pay him the 1 million per year or so that insurance doesn't cover. If he was going to be LTIR, then Florida should have just kept him

Assuming he actually comes back (which is probably Florida's fear), then the yotes will be paying 5.5 million per in actual cash to a guy who is a terrible hockey player

And for their trouble they gave up a 2nd and a 3rd (likely high picks) for Crouse, who by all accounts is probably worth a 2nd and a 3rd alone

Florida knows something that the 27yo Chayka doesn't. It's probably that Crouse sucks and Bolland will probably return someday

Not enough upside from the Coyotes that mitigate those risks

Should have been Bolland and Crouse for a conditional 7th
- TheGame316

- Feds91Stammer

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except the high pick is the lowest of their thirds and if he doesnt play the 2nd becomes a 3rd. It really isnt that much risk. Good trade for both

The only part I dont like about the deal is the extent to which the Coyotes are using capspace as an asset. Its not illegal, and certainly they are using that power to acquire assets, but it rubs me the wrong way to have a team be near the salary cap and spending actual cash which is on par with the salary floor when you take out Pronger/Datsyuk/Bolland's LTIR (at least it is the salary floor). I dont like seeing teams in other sports being so cheap, so seeing another deal happening with the Coyotes just sours me

except the high pick is the lowest of their thirds and if he doesnt play the 2nd becomes a 3rd. It really isnt that much risk. Good trade for both
- YuenglingJagr

Especially when you look at the pick value chart

The only part I dont like about the deal is the extent to which the Coyotes are using capspace as an asset. Its not illegal, and certainly they are using that power to acquire assets, but it rubs me the wrong way to have a team be near the salary cap and spending actual cash which is on par with the salary floor when you take out Pronger/Datsyuk/Bolland's LTIR (at least it is the salary floor). I dont like seeing teams in other sports being so cheap, so seeing another deal happening with the Coyotes just sours me
- WhiteLie

even so Crouse isnt exactly a high end prospect he's certainly more worthy than a 7th rounder...
- bulet13

It's the risk associated if Bolland actually plays and paying him 16.5 million in actual cash over the next 3 years to do so

If there's all this confidence that 'He won't play, he's gonna go LTIR", then why wouldn't Florida just keep him and Crouse and stash the cap hit for Bolland

Florida knows something that Arizona doesn't and it looks obvious. It's either that Bolland is coming back, or Crouse isn't that good

If either thing happens, then Arizona got schooled.

The advanced stats guys are out in full force I see.

It's the risk associated if Bolland actually plays and paying him 16.5 million in actual cash over the next 3 years to do so

If there's all this confidence that 'He won't play, he's gonna go LTIR", then why wouldn't Florida just keep him and Crouse and stash the cap hit for Bolland

Florida knows something that Arizona doesn't and it looks obvious. It's either that Bolland is coming back, or Crouse isn't that good

If either thing happens, then Arizona got schooled.
- TheGame316

Because LTIR isn't that easy.

The advanced stats guys are out in full force I see.
- Bruiniak

Did Vesey sign yet?

Terrible deal for the Coyotes on all fronts

Even if Bolland is LTIR, They will still have to pay him the 1 million per year or so that insurance doesn't cover. If he was going to be LTIR, then Florida should have just kept him

Assuming he actually comes back (which is probably Florida's fear), then the yotes will be paying 5.5 million per in actual cash to a guy who is a terrible hockey player

And for their trouble they gave up a 2nd and a 3rd (likely high picks) for Crouse, who by all accounts is probably worth a 2nd and a 3rd alone

Florida knows something that the 27yo Chayka doesn't. It's probably that Crouse sucks and Bolland will probably return someday

Not enough upside from the Coyotes that mitigate those risks

Should have been Bolland and Crouse for a conditional 7th
- TheGame316

2nd and 3rd round picks are crapshoots. Per Hockeys Future on Crouse

"Crouse was the second-leading scorer for the Kingston Frontenacs in 2015-16 and was dominant at times during the OHL playoffs. He was an assistant captain for Canada at the World Juniors as an 18-year-old. Crouse will make a strong push for a roster spot with the Panthers in training camp. He is too young to play in the AHL in 2016-17 and would have to return to juniors. He is also eligible to play for Canada again at the 2017 WJC. Viewed by some scouts as a big player who dominated junior hockey due to his size advantage, Crouse took big steps in 2015-16 and has the appearance of a future top-six forward."

I don't see how this is a bad trade for Arizona, given they aren't going to be competiive for a few years, and by that time Bolland will be off the books. So Arizona gets a closer to NHL ready prospect than either of those picks are going to be, giving the kid time to grow with Arizona's young core... Do you even armchair GM?

The advanced stats guys are out in full force I see.
- Bruiniak

there are two kinds of people

those who use their brain, and those who promised vesey was signing with the bruins

Did Vesey sign yet?
- Feds91Stammer

Noon 2 days ago

there are two kinds of people

those who use their brain, and those who promised vesey was signing with the bruins
- bulet13

there are two kinds of people

those who use their brain, and those who promised vesey was signing with the bruins
- bulet13

But does Vesey win faceoffs?

The advanced stats guys are out in full force I see.
- Bruiniak

#vesey

But does Vesey win faceoffs?
- j.boyd919

if only

2nd and 3rd round picks are crapshoots. Per Hockeys Future on Crouse

"Crouse was the second-leading scorer for the Kingston Frontenacs in 2015-16 and was dominant at times during the OHL playoffs. He was an assistant captain for Canada at the World Juniors as an 18-year-old. Crouse will make a strong push for a roster spot with the Panthers in training camp. He is too young to play in the AHL in 2016-17 and would have to return to juniors. He is also eligible to play for Canada again at the 2017 WJC. Viewed by some scouts as a big player who dominated junior hockey due to his size advantage, Crouse took big steps in 2015-16 and has the appearance of a future top-six forward."

I don't see how this is a bad trade for Arizona, given they aren't going to be competiive for a few years, and by that time Bolland will be off the books. So Arizona gets a closer to NHL ready prospect than either of those picks are going to be, giving the kid time to grow with Arizona's young core... Do you even armchair GM?
- j.boyd919

Exactly. Crouse is fine. He's not likely to be a 1st line player but can easily become a fringe 2nd line/3rd line winger who will score 15-20 goals which is fine. He's a big guy too. Phoenix loses nothing in this deal.

Exactly. Crouse is fine. He's not likely to be a 1st line player but can easily become a fringe 2nd line/3rd line winger who will score 15-20 goals which is fine. He's a big guy too. Phoenix loses nothing in this deal.
- Bruiniak

#vesey

Exactly. Crouse is fine. He's not likely to be a 1st line player but can easily become a fringe 2nd line/3rd line winger who will score 15-20 goals which is fine. He's a big guy too. Phoenix loses nothing in this deal.
- Bruiniak

But is Crouse better than Vesey?