HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Thoughts On Schenn's Extension With The Flyers?

Third line center? You realize he hasnt played 3c in a long time...this past season he was mostly on the top line and the past two seasons he was mostly situated on the second line...plus 59 points inst exactly the scoring rate for a third line center

Lol 3c. He was a top 6 winger and top line winger most of this season for us. Though I'll agree he's best suited for a 2nd line role. He plays all 3 positions. He's 24. Eats up 2 years of free agency. He was 49th in the league in points. Do I think it's a slight overpay ? Yes. But not by much.

good lord. not sure where the criticism comes from in this deal. Kid has improved every year since joining the flyers.

Kadri is much better? please, my bad tanner the analytics say otherwise. Killorn much better as well? sure why not.

Lol 3c. He was a top 6 winger and top line winger most of this season for us. Though I'll agree he's best suited for a 2nd line role. He plays all 3 positions. He's 24. Eats up 2 years of free agency. He was 49th in the league in points. Do I think it's a slight overpay ? Yes. But not by much.
- Tfaehner

It's clear JasonLlewis knows nothing about the Flyers or Schenn...I don't even know how you can confuse Nick Cousins for Schenn...their names dont even sound similair

Kadri much better? 45 point and a minus 15. Im not seeing it. This was the first year under a new coach with a new system which he obviously flourished in over the last half of the season. Not sure why this would be consider a big over payment at this point.

Kadri much better? 45 point and a minus 15. Im not seeing it. This was the first year under a new coach with a new system which he obviously flourished in over the last half of the season. Not sure why this would be consider a big over payment at this point.
- mace14

While I do mostly enjoy tanner's blogs the obsession with Leaf's players has gone a little too far

"Kadri and Killorn's contracts are both for longer and cheaper, and they are both significantly better players"???


Seriously Tanner? significantly better?
What league have you been watching? Comparable maybe, (although Killorn needs to score more for what he's now getting), but wtf?

3rd line center? a 59 point player in todays, "hard to score", NHL is 3rd line?
this isn't 1985.

I will admit I'm not crazy with the cap hit, it's higher than I feel it should be, but once someone comparable gets "too high", of an extension, dominoes.
I guess I keep looking at Simmonds contract, and feel this was on the high side in comparison, but he signed for 6 years, when $4m a year, is now $5m a year in comparison.

Sigh...Tanner Kadri and Killorn are not better than Schenn.

Sure they have better shot suppression and generation numbers...but neither of them have the production/60 that Schenn has.

Not to mention that this completely ignores PP production (/60 for fairness) where he blows the other two out of the water.

And if you take a deeper look you'll see Schenn had the highest relative CF% last year of the three.

So yes if points were meaningless then he'd be the worst of the three.

Jason Lewis, I'd like to know how many teams have a 26 goal, 33 assist player on their 3rd line?

The analysis is not very strong....Schenn scored 26 this year and has improved every year....Kid plays a tough on the boards and will go to the front of the net. as far as Kadri, he does have all kinds of talent but has not played anywhere as well and anywhere as consistent as Schenn....Market value deal...slightly over paid for first year or two and probably a bargain by year 3.
as well Schenn is a top six winger...that has taken some time too switch from his natural position of center...and honestly, he's only getting better.

HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Thoughts On Schenn's Extension With The Flyers?
- ToddCordellVAN

Kadri's contract is the best NHL. #KadriForHart

Keep up the great work James Tanner.

Kadri "significantly" better than Schenn....


Tanner, WTF are you smoking bro.... Hate to break it to you, but in literally every regard of the game aside from pure dangling and stick handling, there is LITERALLY nothing Kadri does better than Schenn, and to be honest, it's not even as close as many may think.

Jason Lewis, I'd like to know how many teams have a 26 goal, 33 assist player on their 3rd line?
- MJL

Yeah, that one was a head-scratcher.

He is trending in the right direction. It's a tad high and I don't view him as more valuable to the Flyers like Couturier who is getting paid less. However if points/scoring dictate money, so be it. If for some reason he stays stagnant in his progression it's still a tradeable contract.

Kadri "significantly" better than Schenn....


Tanner, WTF are you smoking bro.... Hate to break it to you, but in literally every regard of the game aside from pure dangling and stick handling, there is LITERALLY nothing Kadri does better than Schenn, and to be honest, it's not even as close as many may think.
- Flyers_V88

Shot Generation and Shot Suppression. That's the name of the game. #KadriForHart

Shot Generation and Shot Suppression. That's the name of the game. #KadriForHart
- tomburton99

LMFAO! I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or not, but for anyone who does think that Kadri is better than Schenn, I feel sorry for you.

"Kadri and Killorn's contracts are both for longer and cheaper, and they are both significantly better players"???


Seriously Tanner? significantly better?
What league have you been watching? Comparable maybe, (although Killorn needs to score more for what he's now getting), but wtf?

3rd line center? a 59 point player in todays, "hard to score", NHL is 3rd line?
this isn't 1985.

I will admit I'm not crazy with the cap hit, it's higher than I feel it should be, but once someone comparable gets "too high", of an extension, dominoes.
I guess I keep looking at Simmonds contract, and feel this was on the high side in comparison, but he signed for 6 years, when $4m a year, is now $5m a year in comparison.
- puckhead17

Although as an unbiased opinion, I have to agree with Tanner on this one. Killorn and Kadri do have more upswing and potential. I see Schenn as an OK second liner, but I do not see the same potential you guys see. He just doesn't seem to elevate his game to warrant 5M$ per season. I was an OK signing for an OK player, but the team could have signed him for 4M$ per season.

LMFAO! I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or not, but for anyone who does think that Kadri is better than Schenn, I feel sorry for you.
- Flyers_V88

#KadriForHart wasnt a giveaway?

LMFAO! I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or not, but for anyone who does think that Kadri is better than Schenn, I feel sorry for you.
- Flyers_V88

Kadri is better than schenn at shot suppression and generation...at least according to some metrics.

But to make a rational argument that either killorn or kadri is better than schenn would be incredibly difficult and would rely on strong personal beliefs as to what the most important aspect of a hockey player is because the data does not support kadri in a lot of areas.

Although as an unbiased opinion, I have to agree with Tanner on this one. Killorn and Kadri do have more upswing and potential. I see Schenn as an OK second liner, but I do not see the same potential you guys see. He just doesn't seem to elevate his game to warrant 5M$ per season. I was an OK signing for an OK player, but the team could have signed him for 4M$ per season.
- PtotheY

That's the thing... I think almost anyone here will tell you, right at this very moment in time, the dollar figure is too high right now. BUT, people forget, this is a player, one of only 5 in the past 4 years, to consistently get better each year with respect to point production.

And while I know there are many who value nothing but Analytics, it's still a flawed and one-dimensional way to evaluate a player. The data has to be used in conjunction with what you know about the player and what you see on the ice. Watch some Leafs' games and tell me that Kadri is a much better player, I dare you.

#KadriForHart wasnt a giveaway?
- Doc_Sarcasm

lol, never know...

These reactions are hilarious.

He scored nearly 60 points this year. His PPG was equal to guys like Parise, Towes and Perry.

He is not significantly worse than Kadri or Killorn. In fact, he is marginally better. Kadri had one really good year in the lockout shortened season.

If he continues to play at a 50+ point clip he is worth every penny.

#KadriForHart wasnt a giveaway?
- Doc_Sarcasm

Yeah, I felt that was kind of obvious.

I definitely should have clarified. On a good team, LONG TERM I think he caps out as a regular 3C. I personally don't think he sustains a 50-60+ point production for that long.

Or maybe I just have Mike Richards shell shock still. We'll see. 3C was used too loosely on my part.