Ryan Wilson: A Look At Individual Game Scores A Look At Individual Game Scores

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I figured Kessel would be in top 20 of productivity the past 6 seasons...

To think of the trade Malkin and don't extend Letang rumors that have spread in the last few years....

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I don't understand it though, can we get this is some kind of line or bar graph?, maybe a pie chart?

Oh, and how do you think this expansion draft will work out, Who we gonna protect?

When are we gonna trade Kunitz for capspace to sign everyone who is left?

And what are we gonna do about Fleury?

(Just wanted to get this thread on topic straight away)

Sweet - More stats

I don't understand it though, can we get this is some kind of line or bar graph?, maybe a pie chart?

Oh, and how do you think this expansion draft will work out, Who we gonna protect?

When are we gonna trade Kunitz for capspace to sign everyone who is left?

And what are we gonna do about Fleury?

(Just wanted to get this thread on topic straight away)
- TheGame316

I'd rather talk about how awesome PK Subban is, and the fact that he sang Johnny Cash at Karaoke in Nashville.

Without this information, I never would have known that Crosby, Malkin, and Letang were good.

What's even funnier than reading an article that posts a stat like this and acts like it has any relevance is reading the article from the person who created the stat that explains how he derived the stat. Every single explanation is how he picked the data to use and then manipulated that data to fit the perimeters he wanted. At 1 point he actually says that he weighted a particular stat a certain way because he liked the fact that it resulted in nice round numbers. I'm actually a fan of advanced analytic but when you start interpreting or manipulating the raw data just to fit your need it's no longer analysis it's the equivalent of writing fiction.

Without this information, I never would have known that Crosby, Malkin, and Letang were good.

Believe it or not, there are some who will argue this with you. Where ya at, Sammy?

I figured Kessel would be in top 20 of productivity the past 6 seasons...

The higher time on ice in Toronto with not super high points likely bumped him from the top 20.

This season's 2nd half with that ice time and points, and the post season, are what he needs to do to push into that top 20. Also might have to cut that sample range to the last 3 years for him to squeak in.

The higher time on ice in Toronto with not super high points likely bumped him from the top 20.

This season's 2nd half with that ice time and points, and the post season, are what he needs to do to push into that top 20. Also might have to cut that sample range to the last 3 years for him to squeak in.
- Guile

His last two seasons were his worst production wise. I was thinking after I posted that, that because this has to do with per game, he's probably not on the list because he has always gone long periods in his career without producing much then catch fire and put up boat loads then cool off again. He has never been a consistant producer through a full season. Streaky.

Wow that's an amazing stat table. Crosby, Malkin and Letang at the head of the class over the last five years in all of the NHL.

Wow that's an amazing stat table. Crosby, Malkin and Letang at the head of the class over the last five years in all of the NHL.
- allaboutpens

When stuff like this gets brought up its just that much more painful how mismanaged this team has been up until Rutherford took over. If Shero learns from his mistakes in Jersey and combines savvy drafting and sound team building strategy with his impeccable ability to pull off video game trades, I'm going to be very sad.

When stuff like this gets brought up its just that much more painful how mismanaged this team has been up until Rutherford took over. If Shero learns from his mistakes in Jersey and combines savvy drafting and sound team building strategy with his impeccable ability to pull off video game trades, I'm going to be very sad.
- Victoro311

All power to Shero if he can do it in NJ. The world goes on, doesn't matter to me anyway. You talk about Shero's mistakes? I don't understand. He brought the Cup home to Pittsburgh. I call it a huge success. No mistakes there.

His last two seasons were his worst production wise. I was thinking after I posted that, that because this has to do with per game, he's probably not on the list because he has always gone long periods in his career without producing much then catch fire and put up boat loads then cool off again. He has never been a consistant producer through a full season. Streaky.
- MattStrat

Being the best player on one of the worst teams can't match up to the best players on good teams.

Oh well, hes still one of the top wingers in the NHL, who started to show an actual two way game near the end of last year and in the playoffs.

All power to Shero if he can do it in NJ. The world goes on, doesn't matter to me anyway. You talk about Shero's mistakes? I don't understand. He brought the Cup home to Pittsburgh. I call it a huge success. No mistakes there.
- allaboutpens

This post blows my mind. The Devils are an in devision rival. Them getting better directly affects us. As a Penguins fan, we should hope all Metro teams suck. That includes the Devils.

I have no idea how anyone can look at the teams Shero iced after 2011 and say he didn't make mistakes. He made critical mistakes that kept us from being legit contenders again. Shero inherited the core that Craig Patrick drafted: Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury. After 2011 he completely mishandled surrounding that core with talent as is seen by arguably the worst bottom six in the league during that time frame and complete lack of depth scoring. Can't win a Cup like that.

When stuff like this gets brought up its just that much more painful how mismanaged this team has been up until Rutherford took over. If Shero learns from his mistakes in Jersey and combines savvy drafting and sound team building strategy with his impeccable ability to pull off video game trades, I'm going to be very sad.
- Victoro311

Already stole Taylor Hall from EDM.. still cannot believe Chiarelli still has a job.

This post blows my mind. The Devils are an in devision rival. Them getting better directly affects us. As a Penguins fan, we should hope all Metro teams suck. That includes the Devils.

I have no idea how anyone can look at the teams Shero iced after 2011 and say he didn't make mistakes. He made critical mistakes that kept us from being legit contenders again. Shero inherited the core that Craig Patrick drafted: Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Fleury. After 2011 he completely mishandled surrounding that core with talent as is seen by arguably the worst bottom six in the league during that time frame and complete lack of depth scoring. Can't win a Cup like that.
- Victoro311

Maybe its because Shero is now onto his second team and learned his mistakes. Kind of like Rutherford who won the cup for the Canes and then completely mismanaged them (just like ma boy shero)

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Jaydogg:

Stats like these & others (looking at you ThOr), are just an individual interpretation of 'some' of the available data. Someone else will gather some other data & come up with a different prospective. This is why these people throwing out the ideology of this data showing true events is false. You can get what you want & say what you want & say well that's what the numbers say. Sure it's fun to see 3 Pens players on top in this version of whatever though. I've never seen analytics where the state of the player has been mentioned - ie: injury, sick, fatigued, hard game, easy game, wife/girlfriend breakup/baby etc etc.

There was an article the other day about the Habs analytical guy not getting his contract renewed after giving his opinion of why they shouldn't trade Subban. Old school guys going on the eye test or an organisation looking for a different 'version' of leadership? I wouldn't mind betting there was an analytical guy somewhere that had the trade as a good 1. How does analytics dissect leadership?

I'd love 1 of these guys to come out & do a graph/pie chart/2 year olds drawing of this coming years predictions of how players 'may' perform. But I'm always told it's a history lesson that helps build teams based on past events (but it's getting better...............isn't it? ).

I can't remember analytics giving any clues on how good Rust, Sheary & Knuckles were going to be. Wasn't there that chart about how if a F prospect hadn't reached a certain number he wasn't going to be a good NHL player? I remember Dumo's 'predictor' underestimating his ability (that's if my memory serves me & the 'correct' version of 'predictor' is shown again . Martox old buddy, get that blog about prospects numbers back out again! ).

I was surprised to Taresenko's Time On Ice is 16.7 minutes. That is significantly lower than everyone elses'. Other than that I can't say I see any surprises.

When stuff like this gets brought up its just that much more painful how mismanaged this team has been up until Rutherford took over. If Shero learns from his mistakes in Jersey and combines savvy drafting and sound team building strategy with his impeccable ability to pull off video game trades, I'm going to be very sad.
- Victoro311

Shero had two faults with us. He didn't draft well for a few years so no influx of elc guys when we needed them. And he thought he could keep flipping young d for forwards. The latter blinder made him miss out on forsberg who was exactly who we needed. At NJ he probably goes back to drafting d as the Larson trade validates it again.

I see some potential blinder current management could develop. Excessive dependence on youth because it worked this year and guys stepped up. And overpaying for speed and forgetting that guys can be very effective with different skill sets. I think analytics should prevent you from overdoing one mindset. Heavy teams have won cups. Balanced teams have won cups. What I think matters is the sum of your size, speed, skill, and luck adds up to more than the other team.

I don't see Rutherford making these mistakes. He's an old man and has seen a lot of ways to be successful. Drafting a goalie this year indicates that. He took best available. Even though the goalie mkt hasn't been great for trades and we are stocked at the position. With two top 15 goalies under contract and jarry who seems to project as a journeyman starter/backup at this point.

Bonino is a guy we could mess up after the failures with dupuis, Kunitz, and scuderi. But if you can sign him at a reasonable contract you need to do so. I'd say sub-5 with under 5 year in term would be reasonable. Ufa he might get priced too high. Seems like good 3c/who can play 2c are already close to 5 and next years Ufa mkt might be expensive with Vegas adding 50 million of spending.

Already stole Taylor Hall from EDM.. still cannot believe Chiarelli still has a job.
- j.boyd919

Shero might be the best negotiator in the NHL. #MakeNewJerseyGreatAgain

Shero might be the best negotiator in the NHL. #MakeNewJerseyGreatAgain
- Victoro311

Just wait till the trade deadline... We're giving Shero Cullen for a 1st and a 4th round pick, and then just calling up Sund.

Shero had two faults with us. He didn't draft well for a few years so no influx of elc guys when we needed them. And he thought he could keep flipping young d for forwards. The latter blinder made him miss out on forsberg who was exactly who we needed. At NJ he probably goes back to drafting d as the Larson trade validates it again.

I see some potential blinder current management could develop. Excessive dependence on youth because it worked this year and guys stepped up. And overpaying for speed and forgetting that guys can be very effective with different skill sets. I think analytics should prevent you from overdoing one mindset. Heavy teams have won cups. Balanced teams have won cups. What I think matters is the sum of your size, speed, skill, and luck adds up to more than the other team.

I don't see Rutherford making these mistakes. He's an old man and has seen a lot of ways to be successful. Drafting a goalie this year indicates that. He took best available. Even though the goalie mkt hasn't been great for trades and we are stocked at the position. With two top 15 goalies under contract and jarry who seems to project as a journeyman starter/backup at this point.

Bonino is a guy we could mess up after the failures with dupuis, Kunitz, and scuderi. But if you can sign him at a reasonable contract you need to do so. I'd say sub-5 with under 5 year in term would be reasonable. Ufa he might get priced too high. Seems like good 3c/who can play 2c are already close to 5 and next years Ufa mkt might be expensive with Vegas adding 50 million of spending.
- sditulli

If Yohe's feeling is correct and Rutherford has no interest in even entertaining Jimmy Vesey, there's a blinder right there. Not so much an over reliance on youth, but an over confidence in a handful of young players. I love the WB5. I love them individually and I love the concept of them after years of calling for a youth movement that never happened. But I don't want Rust, Sheary, Wilson, Kuhnhackl, and Sundqvist to become the new generation of Dupuis, Kunitz, Kennedy, and Adams that management moves mountains to retain at the expense of actually making the team better.

The more I think about the Gustavsson pick the more I like it. Wasn't sexy at all by any means, but it was a good pick. Goalies are such crap shoots that you can't have enough high pedigree goalie prospects in a system. Now if Gustavsson or Jarry pan out, maybe one day they can make Murray expendable when its time for Murray to get really expensive and we can just continue to get cheap quality goaltending in order to give us more cap space to surround our aging stars with talent.

Maybe its because Shero is now onto his second team and learned his mistakes. Kind of like Rutherford who won the cup for the Canes and then completely mismanaged them (just like ma boy shero)
- DeflatedPucks

The point of my post was I can't fathom how a Penguins fan can well wish Shero as the Devil's GM. I don't hate the guy. He made some gnarly trades and always kept life interesting, even though I blame him for a lot of the Penguins' failure during what I like to call The Lost Years. But even if you were a big Shero fan while he was here, as a Pens fan you should hope he blows in NJ. It'd be one thing if he was out West, maybe even if he was in the Atlantic, but in the Met? Nah-uh. Guy can go chew rocks.