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ToddCordellVAN
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 09.04.2013

Jun 29 @ 10:18 AM ET
HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Which UFA Should Teams Stay Away From?
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Jun 29 @ 10:28 AM ET
All three are good choices, but it's Matt Martin for me. Can barely even play hockey but somehow is considered good by some because of his high "Caresi".


ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Jun 29 @ 10:28 AM ET
TO me it is Lucic and Okposo

They are going to get 6-7 year deals that by year 3 will be terrible contracts.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jun 29 @ 10:31 AM ET
All UFAs this year could be on that list. All are looking for more than they are worth.
Backes, Martin, Shultz, Russell, Demers, Lucic and on and on are on the ufa list because they wanted more from their teams than they are worth.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jun 29 @ 10:51 AM ET
I agree with Wilson on Backes.
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

Jun 29 @ 11:08 AM ET
JJ is ruthless!!
sycsam
St Louis Blues
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.26.2008

Jun 29 @ 11:10 AM ET
I agree with Wilson on Backes.
- John Jaeckel


I slightly disagree that Backes is not a leader. But if he gets more than 3 Years and 4 Million it is a heavy overpayment IMO

Blues hopefully move on but its going to be hard for them to move on from Backes.

carcrashradio
Los Angeles Kings
Location: CA
Joined: 05.25.2014

Jun 29 @ 11:29 AM ET
Milan Lucic is great player. Is he worth 6mil x 8yrs. Mmmm no. He isn't. Which is why the Kings let him walk. They didn't want another Brown length contract. And Lucic wouldn't budge on the term part. It was rumored he was looking for 7-8 yr contract which is lunacy in this day and age. If Edm or Cgy or Van give him that contract then that GM should be shot and fired for stupidity.
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:31 AM ET
JJ that characterization is way off. Without Shaw who will do Toews's fighting for him?
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 29 @ 11:35 AM ET
Also Wilson you are a bit off here. It is true his production has dipped but his load of defensive assignments rose.

Would characterize that same level of scoring in the okay offs? Because that counts for something but has also been in the past a danger for teams over paying on a contract for one great play off performance.

Keep in mind this past year there were a lot of injuries on the Blues and Hitchcock did not soread the ice very well and overloaded on his veterans like Backes. So that would also play into the numbers.

One must always balance the numbers with context. There is truth to his age and weariness to over pay or overcommit to term. But he is a player at forward I would take over most Nashville forwards now.

Perhaps it is just in division jealousy rearing its head to confirmation bias and the hope you no lnger have to see him so often punish your team's players?
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Jun 29 @ 12:12 PM ET
his demeanor on the ice and in the dressing room always seems to be that of a spoiled baby


So Patrick Kane's demeanor except off the ice he is involved in animal rescue instead of consistent allegations of criminal activity? Yeah, can definitely see how a Blackhawks fan wouldn't think highly of that. Still salty about the playoff loss I guess.
Mr.Bobby
New Jersey Devils
Location: If you don't chew Big Red, then **** you.
Joined: 05.26.2016

Jun 29 @ 1:02 PM ET
Teams should avoid big time Bobby Farnham IMHO.
bcallaway
St Louis Blues
Location: The Clown may be the source of mirth - but who shall make the clown laugh?
Joined: 03.29.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:28 PM ET
I agree with Wilson on Backes.
- John Jaeckel



The leadership comments were accurate until this season, I think he stepped up this year.

That being said, Wilson is correct in that he's on the downside of his career, he's played a lot of games and has taken a physical beating. I think he has only a couple of good seasons left in him.

Hoping someone overpays and takes him off the Blues hands.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:46 PM ET
Toews can beat Backes off with Jackman's purseā€”loaded with his Gold Medals, Conn Smythe and Stanley Cup Rings.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:47 PM ET
The leadership comments were accurate until this season, I think he stepped up this year.

That being said, Wilson is correct in that he's on the downside of his career, he's played a lot of games and has taken a physical beating. I think he has only a couple of good seasons left in him.

Hoping someone overpays and takes him off the Blues hands.

- bcallaway


Somewhat agreed, actually.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:48 PM ET
So Patrick Kane's demeanor except off the ice he is involved in animal rescue instead of consistent allegations of criminal activity? Yeah, can definitely see how a Blackhawks fan wouldn't think highly of that. Still salty about the playoff loss I guess.
- Antilles



Excuse me, what does Patrick Kane, or any non-free agent, have to do with the subject of this blog?

About as salty as I am about first round losses in 2011 and 2012 . . . sandwiched by three Cup wins.

But hey, you get an "A" for effort!
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jun 29 @ 1:53 PM ET
Also Wilson you are a bit off here. It is true his production has dipped but his load of defensive assignments rose.

Would characterize that same level of scoring in the okay offs? Because that counts for something but has also been in the past a danger for teams over paying on a contract for one great play off performance.

Keep in mind this past year there were a lot of injuries on the Blues and Hitchcock did not soread the ice very well and overloaded on his veterans like Backes. So that would also play into the numbers.

One must always balance the numbers with context. There is truth to his age and weariness to over pay or overcommit to term. But he is a player at forward I would take over most Nashville forwards now.

Perhaps it is just in division jealousy rearing its head to confirmation bias and the hope you no lnger have to see him so often punish your team's players?

- BluemanGuruu


Were you talking about this?



Still shoulder to jaw and Backes skated right into it, sorta like you did.
I got all day, bud.
sycsam
St Louis Blues
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.26.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:02 PM ET
Somewhat agreed, actually.
- John Jaeckel


3 years at 4 Million is about the max I would give Backes

Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Jun 29 @ 2:21 PM ET
Excuse me, what does Patrick Kane, or any non-free agent, have to do with the subject of this blog?

About as salty as I am about first round losses in 2011 and 2012 . . . sandwiched by three Cup wins.

But hey, you get an "A" for effort!

- John Jaeckel


As was obvious to everyone but apparently you, you suggested Backes is a certain type of player and therefore isn't worth signing. It's then simple logic to see if other players who are guilty of what you accuse Backes of were worth signing.
hiway39
Season Ticket Holder
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 03.01.2010

Jun 29 @ 2:44 PM ET
agree with tanner...russell's stats are awful, he's going to be massively overbid.

as for lucic/okposo, i'd give more term to the latter than the former, but not by much. price tags are going to be steep no question.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Jun 29 @ 2:46 PM ET
JJ. Come on man.

sycsam
St Louis Blues
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.26.2008

Jun 29 @ 3:00 PM ET
JJ. Come on man.


- carcus


Its ok to ignore his bait,

Wilson makes vaild points as to why you shouldn't sign Backes

BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 29 @ 3:09 PM ET
Were you talking about this?



Still shoulder to jaw and Backes skated right into it, sorta like you did.
I got all day, bud.

- John Jaeckel


Nice try potato. But unlike you I ain't just tough on the internet.
BluemanGuruu
St Louis Blues
Location: trustinjarmo knows nothing, MO
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 29 @ 3:12 PM ET
Its ok to ignore his bait,

Wilson makes vaild points as to why you shouldn't sign Backes

- sycsam


Wilson does, but you need to balance those numbers a bit due to situations.

In any event he will be an over paid third liner who can add to special teams, defensive play, physical forecheck, and step up to the top lines in event of injuries. As Armstrong noted, involving some thank you money but not too much.
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

Jun 29 @ 5:59 PM ET
Its ok to ignore his bait,

Wilson makes vaild points as to why you shouldn't sign Backes

- sycsam


JJ is having comments deleted here just like the Blackhawks thread, FYI. Apparently you aren't allowed to cal him out on being a troll, or post at the same level he does.
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