Ryan Wilson: A Look At Pittsburgh Defensemen and Their Production Before Turning Pro A Look At Pittsburgh Defensemen and Their Production Before Turning Pro

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This week I would try to deal kuni for yak. Edm could use a 3 time cup winner and leader in kuni to help all those young kids. clears cap and gets a skilled winger.
Wilson Sid Horn
Rust Geno Yak
HBK
Sheary Fehr Kuhn
Sunds

I posted this yesterday, but here's the elite prospects profile on the guy that was drafted directly after Hall: http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=213473

I know, I know. They're eighteen and you can't write people off before you see them develop, but I just can't help but think we reached really badly on Hall. Drafting a guy that registered 9 points in a season sounds like a lower round selection to me, not a third rounder. We shall see how Hall develops but I don't like the pick.

The more I think of the Gustavsson pick the more I am fine with it. Not saying that I think it's gonna come out to the worst possible outcome, but after not trading Fleury at the draft, we need to start coming up with contingency plans in case we are forced into dealing Murray. The organization is apparently real high on this Gustavsson kid, so much so that the Euro scout team was trying to convince The Old Man to trade up for him. Seems like the kind of kid that could develop at a Murray-like rate. Even if we don't have to say good bye to Murray, Gustavsson's development could one day make Murray expendable if he gets expensive.

This week I would try to deal kuni for yak. Edm could use a 3 time cup winner and leader in kuni to help all those young kids. clears cap and gets a skilled winger.
Wilson Sid Horn
Rust Geno Yak
HBK
Sheary Fehr Kuhn
Sunds
- nh4442

What's the point of clearing cap space if you're not improving the team? Having a weaker roster but more cap space is not a good thing for the Pens and at BEST that roster is slightly weaker than last year with the potential to be considerably weaker is Yakapov doesn't excel.

I posted this yesterday, but here's the elite prospects profile on the guy that was drafted directly after Hall: http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=213473

I know, I know. They're eighteen and you can't write people off before you see them develop, but I just can't help but think we reached really badly on Hall. Drafting a guy that registered 9 points in a season sounds like a lower round selection to me, not a third rounder. We shall see how Hall develops but I don't like the pick.

The more I think of the Gustavsson pick the more I am fine with it. Not saying that I think it's gonna come out to the worst possible outcome, but after not trading Fleury at the draft, we need to start coming up with contingency plans in case we are forced into dealing Murray. The organization is apparently real high on this Gustavsson kid, so much so that the Euro scout team was trying to convince The Old Man to trade up for him. Seems like the kind of kid that could develop at a Murray-like rate. Even if we don't have to say good bye to Murray, Gustavsson's development could one day make Murray expendable if he gets expensive.
- Victoro311

First, let us not forget about Tristan Jarry, rumor has it some in the organization like him more than Murray, so the extended depth at the position is already there. Secondly, goaltending is arguably the most important position in the game so how could being the deepest franchise in the league at 1 of the most important positions be a bad thing? Having great organizational depth in goal is a really good position to be in and there may not be a team in the league in better shape than the Pens now.

I posted this yesterday, but here's the elite prospects profile on the guy that was drafted directly after Hall: http://www.eliteprospects.../player.php?player=213473

I know, I know. They're eighteen and you can't write people off before you see them develop, but I just can't help but think we reached really badly on Hall. Drafting a guy that registered 9 points in a season sounds like a lower round selection to me, not a third rounder. We shall see how Hall develops but I don't like the pick.

The more I think of the Gustavsson pick the more I am fine with it. Not saying that I think it's gonna come out to the worst possible outcome, but after not trading Fleury at the draft, we need to start coming up with contingency plans in case we are forced into dealing Murray. The organization is apparently real high on this Gustavsson kid, so much so that the Euro scout team was trying to convince The Old Man to trade up for him. Seems like the kind of kid that could develop at a Murray-like rate. Even if we don't have to say good bye to Murray, Gustavsson's development could one day make Murray expendable if he gets expensive.
- Victoro311

why do you keep talkin about that? they picked him and they are sure he can be a good player. they are the scouts for a stanley cup champion and the gm is the gm of the year. they picked him for a reason. it is like you wanting to trade hornqvist. you keep throwing out "trade horny" exampels like every day. just STOP

Champs!!!

why do you keep talkin about that? they picked him and they are sure he can be a good player. they are the scouts for a stanley cup champion and the gm is the gm of the year. they picked him for a reason. it is like you wanting to trade hornqvist. you keep throwing out "trade horny" exampels like every day. just STOP
- martox

Trade Hornqvist? I am one of Hornqvist bigger critiques but I am not pro-trade Hornqvist unless someone super overvalues him and if we do we have to have a damn good back up plan. I am not pro-protecting one year of Hornqvist at expansion, but that's completely different. Think you have me confused with YouMeAndDupuis.

And why am I talking about it? Because the draft is the only thing of significance that will be happening with the Pens this offseason and it just happened yesterday and the blog is literally about how production at juniors translates into NHL success. Well within my right to express my opinion about it.

Or should we all have a gentleman's agreement to never post anything on this site until the rookie tournament because some people can't handle when anything besides "We are 100% going to repeat" next season is said? We've all celebrated the Cup win already. Rehashing how dominant we were to close it out last year is no longer interesting conversation.

Here is an idea that will be extremely unpopular.

Fleury for Evander Kane straight up.

Here is an idea that will be extremely unpopular.

Fleury for Evander Kane straight up.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Wow Vic, throw me under the bus? Nah, I have said maybe like 2 times in the past that I would consider trading Hornqvist. People selectively forget that I am only trading him for a hefty return. I'm worried about his longevity given the abuse he takes and I think he's a pretty weak even strength player. I'm perfectly content to keep Hornqvist but if we were to make a big splash for a guy like Shattenkirk...then Hornqvist could make sense.

But hey people can interpret that as "constantly wanting to get rid of Hornqvist" if they want to.

Wow Vic, throw me under the bus? Nah, I have said maybe like 2 times in the past that I would consider trading Hornqvist. People selectively forget that I am only trading him for a hefty return. I'm worried about his longevity given the abuse he takes and I think he's a pretty weak even strength player. I'm perfectly content to keep Hornqvist but if we were to make a big splash for a guy like Shattenkirk...then Hornqvist could make sense.

But hey people can interpret that as "constantly wanting to get rid of Hornqvist" if they want to.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Apologies. I thought it was you. So that raises the grand total of people on this board that want to trade Hornqvist to a grand total of zero....

Apologies. I thought it was you. So that raises the grand total of people on this board that want to trade Hornqvist to a grand total of zero....
- Victoro311

Hornqvist and Flower for Bennett and Brodie!


There, back up to one

- Victoro311

Okay, it's definitely out there. But if Dan and the Sabres would have interest in Fleury. I could see them wanting to get rid of Kane right now given the off-ice stuff.

Why would the Penguins possibly want anything to do with Kane? Well because on-ice he's a perfect fit and a better value than taking the rumored 2nd rounder as Fleury's value.

Cap hits even out. And we've seen with Patrick Kane and countless others in major sports, it's pretty rare that anyone is found guilty. Yes, I realize it's pretty much near impossible for the Pens and their squeaky clean image to touch this with a ten foot pole.

Okay, that being said, I'm prepared to have my head chewed off on this idea.

Apologies. I thought it was you. So that raises the grand total of people on this board that want to trade Hornqvist to a grand total of zero....
- Victoro311

No, you are right, it was definitely me. I just said to explore his value for a multitude of reasons and somehow people get butthurt about it and go into "why would we trade a good player???" mode.

Okay, it's definitely out there. But if Dan and the Sabres would have interest in Fleury. I could see them wanting to get rid of Kane right now given the off-ice stuff.

Why would the Penguins possibly want anything to do with Kane? Well because on-ice he's a perfect fit and a better value than taking the rumored 2nd rounder as Fleury's value.

Cap hits even out. And we've seen with Patrick Kane and countless others in major sports, it's pretty rare that anyone is found guilty.

Okay, that being said, I'm prepared to have my head chewed off on this idea.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I was a big Evander Kane fan when he played for Winnipeg and thought that his issues were mostly trumped up by the Peg media a la Kessel, but the stories haven't really disappeared in Buffalo. After a change of scenery, all of his problems are on him.

Okay, it's definitely out there. But if Dan and the Sabres would have interest in Fleury. I could see them wanting to get rid of Kane right now given the off-ice stuff.

Why would the Penguins possibly want anything to do with Kane? Well because on-ice he's a perfect fit and a better value than taking the rumored 2nd rounder as Fleury's value.

Cap hits even out. And we've seen with Patrick Kane and countless others in major sports, it's pretty rare that anyone is found guilty.

Okay, that being said, I'm prepared to have my head chewed off on this idea.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Fleury for Franson and Reinhart or Girgensons

Trade Hornqvist? I am one of Hornqvist bigger critiques but I am not pro-trade Hornqvist unless someone super overvalues him and if we do we have to have a damn good back up plan. I am not pro-protecting one year of Hornqvist at expansion, but that's completely different. Think you have me confused with YouMeAndDupuis.

And why am I talking about it? Because the draft is the only thing of significance that will be happening with the Pens this offseason and it just happened yesterday and the blog is literally about how production at juniors translates into NHL success. Well within my right to express my opinion about it.

Or should we all have a gentleman's agreement to never post anything on this site until the rookie tournament because some people can't handle when anything besides "We are 100% going to repeat" next season is said? We've all celebrated the Cup win already. Rehashing how dominant we were to close it out last year is no longer interesting conversation.
- Victoro311

well cut the kid some slack. you have been harping at that pick since we made it. I agree that the reports don't look good and his production looks bad but you never know how a pick will turn out. I highly doubt they picked him without a plan for him. I trust in the staff. atm atleast. I am sure I will rage at them mid season like everyone else

Fleury for Franson and Reinhart or Girgensons
- nh4442

Zemgus is about to be overpaid for a bottom six player. Pass.

I was a big Evander Kane fan when he played for Winnipeg and thought that his issues were mostly trumped up by the Peg media a la Kessel, but the stories haven't really disappeared in Buffalo. After a change of scenery, all of his problems are on him.
- Victoro311

Well from what I've read, it seems a lot different than the Patrick Kane situation. This seems more like an argument than an assault. Not sticking up for him until we know the truth -- but food for thought.

No, you are right, it was definitely me. I just said to explore his value for a multitude of reasons and somehow people get butthurt about it and go into "why would we trade a good player???" mode.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don't get as butthurt at talking abou t trading good players. I get butthurt when people wants to trade something we have wanted and needed for so long. if we are gonna trade horny we need to get something back that gives what horny gives. we need a player that likes to be in the paint and dig around and taking a beating while scoring. we always needed a net front presence. now we have it so don't trade it away

There is always one person willing to trade Hornquist, that would be our blogger RW.

I also love how once again her manipulated states to make our two draft picks looks worse than they are. We all know those 2 guys will not be in the NHL anytime soon. So they will continue to play in juniors most likely. So there pts/game will go up as they get older and get in better opportunities to play in scoring chances, like the powerplay.

And he compared these numbers to top level NHL talent at the end of there junior careers. What was Pouliot or Shultz's at time they were drafted, not at end of career. Shultz played 4 more years after being drafted, so obviously went way up.

OMG ... again with Evander Kane? How about we acquire Patrick Kane two and then we corner the market on two turds named Kane that constitute a lot of trouble. When will the Evander Kane madness end. He is a lot more trouble than he is worth.

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