Ty Anderson: B's would need to make tough calls to work Shattenkirk trade

Great writeup Ty. Who are you thinking they should take at 14?

Great writeup Ty. Who are you thinking they should take at 14?
- dothedougie

More and more sold on McAvoy. But I will add that it helps that he's the guy I've seen the most of.

Honestly dude... I had to stop half way through and come here to say:

Chara is not a top 2 defender anymore. He wasn't last season... he's not going to be any better this season. Once we all stop pretending, maybe we can actually move on.

Honestly dude... I had to stop half way through and come here to say:

Chara is not a top 2 defender anymore. He wasn't last season... he's not going to be any better this season. Once we all stop pretending, maybe we can actually move on.
- mixturebill

Not next to Kevan Miller or Adam McQuaid he's not. He's still a very capable first-pair guy, but you need to put a guy with top-four skill next to him. It's more of a note that any trade for a defenseman that's made should be done with the intentions to help Chara, and that they don't even have a top-four for top-four swap on their roster unless it involves Chara, which makes a trade sort of a moot point.

off topic whats the deal wth zac rinaldo? ahl again I assume?

More and more sold on McAvoy. But I will add that it helps that he's the guy I've seen the most of.
- tyanderson

Probably helps that he is a Boston kid. I wouldnt mind if the B's took him.


Edit: I saw a lot of Logan brown, tyson Jost and Jakub Chychrun at the IIHF when they were here in Grand Forks. They stood out to me. Logan Stanley was a physical presence as well and if he is available at the end of the first round that would be an awesome grab.

off topic whats the deal wth zac rinaldo? ahl again I assume?
- rinaldo

I don't think there's any possible way he's called up again.

um Spooner or Vatrano is not going to get you Shats bud but thanks for coming out

um Spooner or Vatrano is not going to get you Shats bud but thanks for coming out
- Komisaurus Rex

Didn't say it would. Talked about a starting point. But thanks for playing along.

I hope Shatty gets traded to the Oilers just so Chia can screw u guys up much like you did for selling Hamilton for less to the flames (although early in the season that looked like a bullet dodged) but still...

um Spooner or Vatrano is not going to get you Shats bud but thanks for coming out
- Komisaurus Rex

I don't see how they keep pick #14 if they want him.

Not next to Kevan Miller or Adam McQuaid he's not. He's still a very capable first-pair guy, but you need to put a guy with top-four skill next to him. It's more of a note that any trade for a defenseman that's made should be done with the intentions to help Chara, and that they don't even have a top-four for top-four swap on their roster unless it involves Chara, which makes a trade sort of a moot point.
- tyanderson

I completely agree that he didn't have the help that he needed last season... but isn't a #1 defender supposed to make his partner better? Why are they looking for a defender who is going to make their "#1" better? After watching him last season, I have serious doubts he will be much better with a legit #2 at his side. Whoever it is will have to alter their game big time in order to cater to Chara, and I still believe that's a big contributing factor as to why Dougie left.

He's a shut down defender in like a 7ft radius in front of his net... that's about it. His play has suffered HUGE setbacks in every part of his game. He'd make a great PK guy, and second pairing guy, but I just don't think he belongs in the top 2 anymore. And he definitely doesn't belong on the PP.

He wasn't getting lit up with the bad pinches and 2 on 1's at the end of the season as much as he was at the beginning of the season... so maybe there is hope, but I wish we could call a spade a spade, and stop pretending due to loyalty.

Shattenkirk is offensively gifted. However, I have concerns. Currently, he is at best the #3D in St. Louis, behind Pietrangelo and Bouwmeester. You can argue that Parayko may be ahead of him. Surprisingly, Kevin even plays less short handed minutes than Gunnarsson.

Another concern is Shattenkirk's +/-. He was minus 14 in the regular season and minus 8 in the playoffs. Both low marks for the Blues D.

I don't think he is the number #1 D the Bruins need.

He is definitely a start though

Calling it. Sweeney gives up on the shats and ends up sending the 29th overall pick for Jason garrison in TB, then Pat's himself on the back for a job well done and gets himself a hooker and some quality blow......leaving bruins nation extremely disappointed once again.

He's a shut down defender in like a 7ft radius in front of his net... that's about it. His play has suffered HUGE setbacks in every part of his game. He'd make a great PK guy, and second pairing guy, but I just don't think he belongs in the top 2 anymore. And he definitely doesn't belong on the PP.
- mixturebill

exactly
like it or not, Chara is going to become more like Hal Gil as he ages - not that they are on the same skill level, but in order for Gil to remain competitive and competent in a game that was changing around him, he had to simplify his game considerably. Z will have to do the same to stay relevant - the game just keeps getting faster around him

Vatrano looks like a solid player. Fabbro would be a great pick. McAvoy is a bit of a wild card. Could be real good, real raw right now. Could know a lot more next year. By then tho too late... Someone will take a chance on him. May hit the jackpot.

Either way the B's have bolstered their back end going forward through the last few drafts. Smart drafting. Except taking forward Z. Synyshyn. He can still pan out. But could have got him later on.

Chara isn't elite anymore. But he's absolutely still top pairing material. He's just a #2 at this point. Put him with Shattenkirk and he'll be solid. Put him with any #1-2 righty and he'll be fine. Just not enough left in the tank to be the #1 guy propping up the defence.

Shattenkirk didn't have a stupendous season, but the injuries had some things to do with that also. Year before, before his injury, he was getting Norris murmurs for his play, and deservedly so.

I'm really underwhelmed by what Boston might offer for him. I don't see them being ideal trading partners. I rather see the B's sliding further into mediocrity, despite some good pieces here and there. I think a complete rebuild is imminent myself when I look at that roster.

Senyshen Would not have been there later on. Edmonton was going to draft with their next pick. When they saw Boston grabbing senyshen, they traded their pick. Toronto also had interest I believe.

How can you be underwhelmed with what Boston has to offer? A first round pick, several highly touted prospects, several young forwards?

A first and spooner or a first and vatrano and you should be jumping for joy for a guy you won't have in another season.


On another note what about a straight up trade for Marchand?
Boston could then resign eriksson and have the money to give spooner and shat deserved raises. It would be huge. And it would really solve a few problems.

Senyshen Would not have been there later on. Edmonton was going to draft with their next pick. When they saw Boston grabbing senyshen, they traded their pick. Toronto also had interest I believe.

How can you be underwhelmed with what Boston has to offer? A first round pick, several highly touted prospects, several young forwards?

A first and spooner or a first and vatrano and you should be jumping for joy for a guy you won't have in another season.


On another note what about a straight up trade for Marchand?
Boston could then resign eriksson and have the money to give spooner and shat deserved raises. It would be huge. And it would really solve a few problems.
- Videoj

I'll be the first to admit, when they took Senyshen I was like "Who the hell is this kid?", after following him this season, I think he will be a solid 2nd or 3rd line guy for the B's in a couple years.

It's no secret the B's are desperate for a top 4 D-man, but I am petrified that Sweeney will once again overpay to get one. I honestly don't know what it will take to get a Shattenkirk, but i'm thinking a draft pick and prospect(s) should do it considering he will be a UFA next year. Maybe throw in a roster player to A) tip the scales and B) free up some salary.

St. Louis could be up against the cap trying to squeeze him in (hence the reason he is on the trading block), so they really aren't in as good a position of strength as they might think they are when it comes to negotiating a trade. If they (St. Louis) hold out this summer, he plays in St. Louis next year and has a down year or perhaps gets injured (which he has been prone to do), then his value has gone down and you either give him away at the trade deadline or pull a Loui Ericsson and keep him for a playoff push and then let him walk, for nothing, into free agency next summer.

Again, I don't know what it will take, but I would table something like:

29th pick
Seth Griffith
Morrow or Trotman
Loui's negotiating rights
Think Koko would come back to the NHL for a chance to play in St. Louis?

Senyshen Would not have been there later on. Edmonton was going to draft with their next pick. When they saw Boston grabbing senyshen, they traded their pick. Toronto also had interest I believe.

How can you be underwhelmed with what Boston has to offer? A first round pick, several highly touted prospects, several young forwards?

A first and spooner or a first and vatrano and you should be jumping for joy for a guy you won't have in another season.


On another note what about a straight up trade for Marchand?
Boston could then resign eriksson and have the money to give spooner and shat deserved raises. It would be huge. And it would really solve a few problems.
- Videoj

You want to trade Marchard to keep Loui? That is crazy to me.

You want to trade Marchard to keep Loui? That is crazy to me.
- Mahewman

Agreed... I wouldn't give Marchand up right now... to me he's just as untouchable as Bergeron. I think he could put up 40 goals this season, and he plays PP and PK. Really a valuable guy. Loui on the other hand could be replaced... I'm not going to say easily... but it would be much easier to replace Loui than Marchand.

Ty, a little off the topic of this article, but what is the chatter you're hearing around the B's when it comes to Vessey? Has the ship sailed on that one? I know he and Eichel are good buds and the idea of playing with him, in a top 6 role, has to be a strong selling point to sign in Buffalo. What are you hearing?