Bob Duff: Datsyuk departure presents opportunity to Red Wings If they can move Pavel Datsyuk's $7.5 million cap hit Detroit would have cash and room to add some much-needed sandpaper to their lineup.

This helps Detroit go for Stammer.

Not unless they can move his contract......and that's going to cost them a pretty penny

There will always be floor teams that will take a dead money cap hit. You can bet the farm Kenny Moves that contract. I wonder how Datsyuk's contract will like Arizona,....

It all depends on what they want to take on the cap hit, obviously not having to pay anything to datsyuk should make it easier to move than if they had to take the cap AND pay him

im with the sense if it means a 3rd round or later pick/prospect im for it, move him

but if were talking svechnikov or russo? no thanks, eat the cap for a year and keep those players

Great player all the best -

This all based on the assumption the NHL will allow trading of retired players. Most leagues don't. It's not like Pronger, technically injured not retired. CBA says a player on a 35+ contract retires, the team is stuck with the cap hit regardless of what happens. Detroit might be able to trade his rights, but not his cap hit.

You are right about the trading of a retired player.

They may not allow it. I really don't know the rule on that.

You are right about the trading of a retired player.

They may not allow it. I really don't know the rule on that.
- 50 Mission Cap

Well i assume, because every site ive read which is a lot including NHL official page,

and holland himself, all refer to moving him, i would assume they would have pointed out by now if it wasnt possible

Calgary
Wideman $5.25M, Bolig $1.25M, Klimchuk $863,333
Detroit
Datsyuk $7.5M, Mantha $863,333.

Wideman is only one year removed from his best NHL season. Last year was obviously overshadowed by the suspension, but he's still a quality NHL defencemen who can quarterback a power play and produce points. He just isn't in the Flames future plans and he's taking up a spot on the roster that has 5 or 6 guys pushing for. Flames have excellent depth, and young depth in this position.
Bolig is a good role player with good sizeand toughness Despite his awkward appearance, actually skates decently.
Klimchuk is a 21 year old first round pick prospect who unfortunately is a LW and won't likely crack the Flames lineup at LW.

This deal for the Flames would be targeting Mantha, and also saving the Wings some cap space for the year, but also turn the dead Datsyuk money into two roster players and 1 prospect. The Flames need RW depth and Mantha, though he hasn't developed at the rate many expected, is still probably worth the risk.

Doubtful scenario, but probably a decent framework for a deal. It doesn't simply wipe the Datsyuk money off the books to open the door for a FA signing, but would probably help both teams in different ways.

It all depends on what they want to take on the cap hit, obviously not having to pay anything to datsyuk should make it easier to move than if they had to take the cap AND pay him

im with the sense if it means a 3rd round or later pick/prospect im for it, move him

but if were talking svechnikov or russo? no thanks, eat the cap for a year and keep those players
- digitalbath

Unless you're taking salary back or retaining a good amount, there's no chance a 7.5 mil cap hit is going to be moved for a 3rd or less.

You are right about the trading of a retired player.

They may not allow it. I really don't know the rule on that.
- 50 Mission Cap

I think the Wings are terminating the contract which would allow them to trade the cap hit.

Pavel Datsyuk was a Top 5 Center in the league for 10 years. With that being said, I find this move to be cowardly and disloyal to the Red Wings. I find it cowardly bc it is clear that he cannot dominate the league like he once could, and instead of toughing it out in the best league in the world for one more season, he packed his bags for the KHL....leaving his club with $7.5mil in DEAD cap space. Datsyuk was an exceptional player, but this is a Kovalchuk level type of D-Bag move, IMO.

Pavel Datsyuk was a Top 5 Center in the league for 10 years. With that being said, I find this move to be cowardly and disloyal to the Red Wings. I find it cowardly bc it is clear that he cannot dominate the league like he once could, and instead of toughing it out in the best league in the world for one more season, he packed his bags for the KHL....leaving his club with $7.5mil in DEAD cap space. Datsyuk was an exceptional player, but this is a Kovalchuk level type of D-Bag move, IMO.
- EnzoD

Ummm....no. Family should always come first.

Pavel Datsyuk was a Top 5 Center in the league for 10 years. With that being said, I find this move to be cowardly and disloyal to the Red Wings. I find it cowardly bc it is clear that he cannot dominate the league like he once could, and instead of toughing it out in the best league in the world for one more season, he packed his bags for the KHL....leaving his club with $7.5mil in DEAD cap space. Datsyuk was an exceptional player, but this is a Kovalchuk level type of D-Bag move, IMO.
- EnzoD

he was at the end of his career in the NHL. Two different situations. Datsyuk is 100% more classy and respected than kovalchuk. Family first.

he was at the end of his career in the NHL. Two different situations. Datsyuk is 100% more classy and respected than kovalchuk. Family first.
- lplafrance

What would anyone say if an American or Canadian player was passed over by NHL teams, caught on in the KHL, had a hell of a career there and opted out at the last year of his deal when he had a chance to play close to home, where his Granpa could actually watch him play live before he croaked of old age?

Not a Goddamn thing!!!

What would anyone say if an American or Canadian player was passed over by NHL teams, caught on in the KHL, had a hell of a career there and opted out at the last year of his deal when he had a chance to play close to home, where his Granpa could actually watch him play live before he croaked of old age?

Not a Goddamn thing!!!
- Jeropotato

good for him. he made It into the NHL. Family is family.

good for him. he made It into the NHL. Family is family.
- lplafrance

Yeah, I'm just getting tired of the " Euro-Trash" and " Russian Piece of poop" narratives. It's such garbage profiling by people who are completely ignorant to Europeans way of life.

Anyone who would choose wealth in Canada/USA over living a privelidged life Europe must never have been there.

what we know:

1. The Wings can and will try to trade Datsyuk's contract. The NHL cannot stop someone trade for the contract etc as what would simply happen is one of two things. a) They keep the cap hit on the books and simply "suspend" Datsyuk for not showing up to camp, thus not paying him any dollars but continue to use the #s towards the cap. or b) "terminate" the contract meaning, Datsyuk would sign a voluntary retirement papers and then the would continue to have the cap hit but not paying him. Either way, the NHL will not step in because they are continuing to be punished by having a cap hit without the player if it were.

1. Datsyuk has been talking about going back to Russia to be closer to his daughter since 2012'... so this talk is nothing new. Dastyuk was told that if he played 15-16, that Holland would not step in his way during the final season of the contract, including not blocking and way to play in the KHL via the transfer agreement. They met on Friday night, after Dastyuk was allowed to think about it... assuming he told KH on Friday night he was done, if not before then.

2. Holland stated that Dastyuk did not fully understand his contract from his last agent as he was under the assumption that he could simply hang em' up, aka, like Rafalski did previously -- however that was a different CBA.

3. The Wings can and will try to trade Datsyuk's contract. The NHL cannot stop someone trade for the contract etc as what would simply happen is one of two things. a) They keep the cap hit on the books and simply "suspend" Datsyuk for not showing up to camp, thus not paying him any dollars but continue to use the #s towards the cap. or b) "terminate" the contract meaning, Datsyuk would sign a voluntary retirement papers and then the would continue to have the cap hit but not paying him. Either way, the NHL will not step in because they are continuing to be punished by having a cap hit without the player if it were.

4. Holland said, he will not trade a high end player (prospect) or pick, he will just eat the money as it is just for 1 year.... and allow the kids to play, potentially meaning playoffs and going through the growing pains in the process.

5. Players rumored that could be considered to move are Jurco, Pelkunen, Sproul and Jensen. There is also potential for them to take on a short term, poor contract back for a roster player if needed.

6. Rumors has it that they will be hard after Stamkos if they can move this contract out, as with removing Richards (3mil), Quincey (4mil), Franzen going back on LTIR (3.9mil) and Datysuk (7.5mil)... that is plenty of room to resign the RFAs and then offer Stammer big.
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Prediction:
-Holland uses the space from Richards, Quincey and Franzen to resign the RFAs (Dekeyser, Marchenko, Mrazek).
-Keeps Miller and lets Helm walk with the others and decides again moving the Datsyuk contract.
-KH will make a deal and move out Sproul, Jensen... and maybe Jurco for picks.
-Keeps Howard for this year
-No buyouts
-With remaining cap space, signs Radulov (or another FA) to a 4-5mil dollar deal.

basically, same old' Kenny Holland stuff -- overly loyal, conversative, lets see what youth brings.

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This was a bit brief and not long winded at all. Could you expand on this a little bit ? Thanks

Ummm....no. Family should always come first.
- Jeropotato

Did he not have a family when he asked for this long of a contract, knowing the team would have the cap hit no matter what?

Did he not have a family when he asked for this long of a contract, knowing the team would have the cap hit no matter what?
- Antilles

Things never change in your life?

Holland should work out a deal with Calgary that involves trading Datsyuk and Howard. Holland can retain some of Howards contract if he has to, throw in draft picks, and add in some of our many players on the trading block (nyquist, tatar, oulette, sproul, jenson, smith, jurco, pulkkinen) and try to get whatever assets back that you can. I think there's enough here to get a a deal done.

I think Detroit can afford to make Calgary an offer that would be hard to refuse since it would clear out a massive chunk of cap space. Even something as one-sided as Datsyuk, Howard with $2 million retained, a third rounder, and jurco with nothing coming back from Calgary. What do they really lose? A mid round pick, a goalie they dont want anymore, and a big, skilled player that hasnt lived up to potential. I say its worth it to clear up over $10 million in cap space. Theres a lot of wiggle room here to get something done.

Holland should work out a deal with Calgary that involves trading Datsyuk and Howard. Holland can retain some of Howards contract if he has to, throw in draft picks, and add in some of our many players on the trading block (nyquist, tatar, oulette, sproul, jenson, smith, jurco, pulkkinen) and try to get whatever assets back that you can. I think there's enough here to get a a deal done.

I think Detroit can afford to make Calgary an offer that would be hard to refuse since it would clear out a massive chunk of cap space. Even something as one-sided as Datsyuk, Howard with $2 million retained, a third rounder, and jurco with nothing coming back from Calgary. What do they really lose? A mid round pick, a goalie they dont want anymore, and a big, skilled player that hasnt lived up to potential. I say its worth it to clear up over $10 million in cap space. Theres a lot of wiggle room here to get something done.
- ajhill4594

Calgary will be buyers this summer and looking to move forward. Dead space won't get it done.

Calgary will be buyers this summer and looking to move forward. Dead space won't get it done.
- Jeropotato

All I know about Calgarys situation is what I can see from salary cap sites. It looks like their roster is already about full except some RFAs at forward and open goalie spots. With their salary cap at under $50 million right now, it seems like they can improve their roster and take on some salary too. Guys like Nyquist or Tatar can be thrown in too for the right deal.