Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Draft, Alumni and More

RN was nervous Bill!

It's been said on here, and I agree,that it is unlikely all their defensive prospects make a significant impact at the NHL level. So with that, if the best player available is a defenseman, take him.

Handzus was one of my favorite Flyers. Really liked his game.

Nothing better than a little speed demon, super skilled player who also loves to go to the dirty areas and work. Russian Konecny.

Nothing better than a little speed demon, super skilled player who also loves to go to the dirty areas and work. Russian Konecny.
- Mononoke

FLyerz need more of duh size tho

If they draft Bean then they'll really need to move someone. Maybe Hagg and one of the 2nd rounders to move up. I'd really prefer they take a forward. It's highly unlikely at 18 the BPA will be viewed that much higher than a forward.

Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Draft, Alumni and More
- bmeltzer

Wouldn't even rule out Fabbro or McAvoy

If they draft Bean then they'll really need to move someone. Maybe Hagg and one of the 2nd rounders to move up. I'd really prefer they take a forward. It's highly unlikely at 18 the BPA will be viewed that much higher than a forward.

Just to illustrate a point...

Nashville

2009 Ryan Ellis (11th-overall),
2009 Charles-Olivier Roussel (42nd-overall),

2008 Roman Josi (38th-overall),

2007 Jonathon Blum (27th-overall),

2005 Ryan Parent (18th-overall),
2005 Teemu Laakso (78th-overall),
2005 Cody Franson (79th-overall)

and

LA

2010 Derek Forbort (15th-overall),

2008 Drew Doughty (2nd-overall),
2008 Colten Teubert (13th-overall),
2008 Andrew Campbell (74th-overall),

2007 Thomas Hickey (4th-overall),
2007 Alec Martinez (95th-overall)

I think we assume most of our kids will pan out, but a quick look at these clubs that took a lot of D over a short period of time kind of shows how volatile and unpredictable the results can be.

Hagg could end up being our Roman Josi, while Morin easily could be a Colton Teubert. You just don't know, that's why you need to hang on to all of them.

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I think we assume most of our kids will pan out, but a quick look at these clubs that took a lot of D over a short period of time kind of shows how volatile and unpredictable the results can be.

Hagg could end up being our Roman Josi, while Morin easily could be a Colton Teubert. You just don't know, that's why you need to hang on to all of them.
- Tomahawk

I have no problem if they took another D if it was their BPA.

Oh I'm not saying every single prospect we have will ever pan out but we do also have to keep the depth chart balanced. If they do take another D in the 1st round it does nothing to help an already depth depleted situation we have at LW. I mean sure, they could take someone in the 2nd, but honestly that whole left side needs a pretty big overhaul.

My point was simply if the BPA is a D man and they draft said D man I hope that they would explore some trade options to move up and get themselves a more highly touted forward than a 2nd rounder with a lot of question marks.

Oh I'm not saying every single prospect we have will ever pan out but we do also have to keep the depth chart balanced. If they do take another D in the 1st round it does nothing to help an already depth depleted situation we have at LW. I mean sure, they could take someone in the 2nd, but honestly that whole left side needs a pretty big overhaul.

My point was simply if the BPA is a D man and they draft said D man I hope that they would explore some trade options to move up and get themselves a forward.
- hereticpride

You could have beautiful system where you have depth at all positions, but that doesn't mean that the big club will ever inherit any of that balance.

Just take the best player, and if by the hockey gods' grace, all the D are terrific, then yeah... do a Seth Jones for Johansen kind of trade when the time comes.

Counting prospect chickens before they've hatched is just so dangerous.

Hagg could end up being our Roman Josi
- Tomahawk

I don't think so, Buster. Agree with the rest though.

Wait, Tomahawk/Buster, weren't we just enthusiastically throwing around the idea of trading Big Sam?

Wait, Tomahawk/Buster, weren't we just enthusiastically throwing around the idea of trading Big Sam?
- Mononoke

Only in a trade to get back something guaranteed... not to get another pick/prospect or to gain some draft position.

Only in a trade to get back something guaranteed... not to get another pick/prospect or to gain some draft position.
- Tomahawk

Yes, but we were talking about a pick/prospect in a hypothetical swap for 9 to take Keller. He's a non guaranteed pick/prospect. And it's not happening, but that was the hypothetical.

It is situational for me. If you are trading a "top" prospect for something guaranteed, that something guaranteed often has a lower ceiling or has already peaked and hit it. You're a fan of the Jones trade, but Jones was the more uncertain player. Trading a 30 goal 70 point #1 center for a, to that point, third pairing d man (with great underlying stats mind you) is the less sure thing. Sometimes to win a trade you have to give up the more guaranteed piece for the higher potential piece. I'm sure you were down with a Drouin for Schenn swap earlier in the year...who was the more "guaranteed" piece and who was the prospect?

What guaranted piece would you trade Morin for, since I know you're very open to it?

Semi off-topic: Hickey was a seriously off-the-board pick when LA took him that high. Sometimes the team that goes off the board like that is proven right (example, Flyers taking Peter Forsberg sixth overall in 1991 when the consensus was late 1st round/ early 2nd). Quite often, they're wrong.

Semi off-topic: Hickey was a seriously off-the-board pick when LA took him that high. Sometimes the team that goes off the board like that is proven right (example, Flyers taking Peter Forsberg sixth overall in 1991 when the consensus was late 1st round/ early 2nd). Quite often, they're wrong.
- bmeltzer

trust your scouting

Semi off-topic: Hickey was a seriously off-the-board pick when LA took him that high. Sometimes the team that goes off the board like that is proven right (example, Flyers taking Peter Forsberg sixth overall in 1991 when the consensus was late 1st round/ early 2nd). Quite often, they're wrong.
- bmeltzer

I saw a mock this morning(CSN New England maybe?) They had Logan Brown going 3rd overall. I think that would shock the league to be honest.

I saw a mock this morning(CSN New England maybe?) They had Logan Brown going 3rd overall. I think that would shock the league to be honest.
- hereticpride

Could be why there is talk of Columbus trying to move back a few picks.

refs give the pens a free penalty and they score typical nhl

Holy CRAP that was ugly!!!

karlsson boarded by a penguin player no penalty typical nhl

Rumours are raging that CBS is really high on Brown

Rumours are raging that CBS is really high on Brown
- mayorofangrytown

Replacing Jim Nantz?

Shades of Ryan Johansen going #4 to CBJ. Really like Brown, but he is more of a project player than a lot in that range. There wasn't a Puljujarvi type back in 2010 either. Unless they trade down, that would be a very bold and risky decision choosing Brown over PJ.