James Tanner: Coyotes Quick Notes: Murphy, Doan, AHL, Yandle etc. Some notes on the Coyotes.

"Michalek was named to team Czech. For the love of god, why?"



Finally we agree on something.

Michalek said yes when asked.

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If the yotes can add 2 solid dmen they will be challenging for a playoff spot. They basically need a pair of second pairing guys, to fill in for a few years until they can get a couple prospects ready. They can then shift dmen around accordingly for the next few years.

Great group of forward prospects that are another year older. Should be drafting the best dman in the draft at 7 and then Id assume Dmen in the 2nd and 3rd. Things are for sure looking up.

i look forward to seeing grossman play with the coyotes next season.

If the yotes can add 2 solid dmen they will be challenging for a playoff spot. They basically need a pair of second pairing guys, to fill in for a few years until they can get a couple prospects ready. They can then shift dmen around accordingly for the next few years.

Great group of forward prospects that are another year older. Should be drafting the best dman in the draft at 7 and then Id assume Dmen in the 2nd and 3rd. Things are for sure looking up.
- mauryballstein

I think the Coyotes are going to need a lot more than that to challenge for a Playoff spot. They have an elite top pairing guy in OEL, and a good #4 in Stone. They have no one to partner OEL with, no one to partner Stone with, and no one for the bottom pairing.

So that's 4 Dmen just to get to 'oK' from 'tire fire'.

As for the Forwards, Martinhook and Doan make up a good 2/3s of a 4th line.

Domi, Strome, Duclair, Reider, Dvorak and Hanzal make up a good 6/9 for the top 9, but you're going to need either lightyear advancements from Domi and Duclair in year two, Strome near dominating and a healthy Hanzal just to come close to the Playoffs, providing you can add 4 improvements on the backend.

Then you have the goalie situatio which isn't good.

So basically you're looking at a miracle to be a Playoff team next year, and you're talking about wasting another year of OEL's Prime, which makes trading him something they at least have to look at doing.

i look forward to seeing grossman play with the coyotes next season.
- rinaldo

I can flat out guarantee you that he is done in Arizona. Maybe Vancouver or Colorado would want him.

I can flat out guarantee you that he is done in Arizona. Maybe Vancouver or Colorado would want him.
- James_Tanner

Thought you didn't have any inside sources .
The coach likes him and that's a fact

I think the Coyotes are going to need a lot more than that to challenge for a Playoff spot. They have an elite top pairing guy in OEL, and a good #4 in Stone. They have no one to partner OEL with, no one to partner Stone with, and no one for the bottom pairing.

So that's 4 Dmen just to get to 'oK' from 'tire fire'.

As for the Forwards, Martinhook and Doan make up a good 2/3s of a 4th line.

Domi, Strome, Duclair, Reider, Dvorak and Hanzal make up a good 6/9 for the top 9, but you're going to need either lightyear advancements from Domi and Duclair in year two, Strome near dominating and a healthy Hanzal just to come close to the Playoffs, providing you can add 4 improvements on the backend.

Then you have the goalie situatio which isn't good.

So basically you're looking at a miracle to be a Playoff team next year, and you're talking about wasting another year of OEL's Prime, which makes trading him something they at least have to look at doing.
- James_Tanner

They have a legit #1 in OEL, with the best D-man at #7, Stone, and two second pairing signings, they could have 4 second pairing D-men this season, and no one at 6 or 7. May not be horrible, but probably not much more than an appearance in the first round. I doubt ownership will pay for a legit #2.

Thought you didn't have any inside sources .
The coach likes him and that's a fact
- rinaldo

That is not a fact. You are guessing, but you don't know. I highly doubt it, actually. But it doesn't matter, the team is not going to move in a direction of data assimilation and then employ the worst player in the NHL by the data.

Give me a break, your constant trolling isn't even annoying or entertaining.

I think the Coyotes are going to need a lot more than that to challenge for a Playoff spot. They have an elite top pairing guy in OEL, and a good #4 in Stone. They have no one to partner OEL with, no one to partner Stone with, and no one for the bottom pairing.

So that's 4 Dmen just to get to 'oK' from 'tire fire'.

As for the Forwards, Martinhook and Doan make up a good 2/3s of a 4th line.

Domi, Strome, Duclair, Reider, Dvorak and Hanzal make up a good 6/9 for the top 9, but you're going to need either lightyear advancements from Domi and Duclair in year two, Strome near dominating and a healthy Hanzal just to come close to the Playoffs, providing you can add 4 improvements on the backend.

Then you have the goalie situatio which isn't good.

So basically you're looking at a miracle to be a Playoff team next year, and you're talking about wasting another year of OEL's Prime, which makes trading him something they at least have to look at doing.
- James_Tanner

Might as well keep Murphy for the bottom pair.

Cheap and may get better.

What's frightening is having tunnel vision with analytics and looking at a young player, without any thought to the fact that he could get better and improve. He's still young for a defenseman.

Analytics are supplemental, not primary. No team, including the Coyotes should take on a pure analytic philosophy. They should be utilized as a tool to help build a team, but they should be a small percentage of making player and roster decisions.

The problem with thinking the Coyotes will be a playoff contender is:

1) Who do they beat out? There are great teams in the best.
2) They have to also beat both Edmonton and Calgary who could find themselves in the hunt.
3) As for this D they draft 7th overall - don't expect him to be in the NHL. Defencemen almost never play in the NHL in any impactful way right after their draft year.

Patience in Arizona. They will suck again next year most likely - just like my Leafs will despite all our super rookies coming in. They are still just rookies.

Might as well keep Murphy for the bottom pair.

Cheap and may get better.
- Tumbleweed

Not the worst idea. Although Vancouver might think he's a top pairing defenseman and send Jake Virtanen for him.

The problem with thinking the Coyotes will be a playoff contender is:

1) Who do they beat out? There are great teams in the best.
2) They have to also beat both Edmonton and Calgary who could find themselves in the hunt.
3) As for this D they draft 7th overall - don't expect him to be in the NHL. Defencemen almost never play in the NHL in any impactful way right after their draft year.

Patience in Arizona. They will suck again next year most likely - just like my Leafs will despite all our super rookies coming in. They are still just rookies.
- Njuice

Agree with 1, 2 and 3. Though I think the Leafs actually might surprise a lot of people next year.

What's frightening is having tunnel vision with analytics and looking at a young player, without any thought to the fact that he could get better and improve. He's still young for a defenseman.

Analytics are supplemental, not primary. No team, including the Coyotes should take on a pure analytic philosophy. They should be utilized as a tool to help build a team, but they should be a small percentage of making player and roster decisions.
- MJL

I wish you were the kind of person who would read something and say 'oh I didn't know that, I guess I'll have to change my mind," because, if you were, I'd love to explain why what you're saying here is ridiculous.

Agree with 1, 2 and 3. Though I think the Leafs actually might surprise a lot of people next year.
- James_Tanner

Just keeping my expectations in check. Could be anywhere from 29th to 16th but i expect done growing pains.

Not the worst idea. Although Vancouver might think he's a top pairing defenseman and send Jake Virtanen for him.
- James_Tanner

It's funny cause it's true

Not the worst idea. Although Vancouver might think he's a top pairing defenseman and send Jake Virtanen for him.

James Tanner




Nice troll post

I wish you were the kind of person who would read something and say 'oh I didn't know that, I guess I'll have to change my mind," because, if you were, I'd love to explain why what you're saying here is ridiculous.

Jimmy T

So I guess that you believe that analytics have reached there zenith and there are no more true unknowns when it comes to data?

I guess Tanner feels excluding data points like size, speed, leadership and legally binding contracts are for fools.😀

I wish you were the kind of person who would read something and say 'oh I didn't know that, I guess I'll have to change my mind," because, if you were, I'd love to explain why what you're saying here is ridiculous.
- James_Tanner

Actually I am that kind of person James, which is why I invested a lot of time into learning and understanding analytics and the role they play for NHL teams. Feel free to attempt it, but I think the actual reason why you don't, is because you'll find out what you don't want to find out. I'll use the term "fact" as you often do. The fact is, that you don't understand analytics, the role they play, how to use them, and especially don't understand what analytics, and how NHL teams use analytics. They don't even use the stats you use. They're archaic to an NHL team.

Why is it James, whenever you're faced with an opinion that you can't handle, you get personal and comment on the person, instead of the opinion? It's called deflecting, and it's pretty obvious why you do that.

Actually I am that kind of person James, which is why I invested a lot of time into learning and understand analytics and the role they play for NHL teams. Feel free to attempt it, but I think the actual reason why you don't, is because you'll find out what you don't want to find out. I'll use the term "fact" as you often do. The fact is, that you don't understand analytics, the role they play, how to use them, and especially don't understand what analytics, and how NHL teams use analytics. They don't even use the stats you use. They are archaic to an NHL team.

Why is it James, whenever you're faced with an opinion that you can't handle, you get personal and comment on the person, instead of the opinion? It's called deflecting, and it's pretty obvious why you do that.
- MJL

It's called Troll Bloging, and he's the best at it

Without people trolling no one would read this garbage BTW.

That is not a fact. You are guessing, but you don't know. I highly doubt it, actually. But it doesn't matter, the team is not going to move in a direction of data assimilation and then employ the worst player in the NHL by the data.

Give me a break, your constant trolling isn't even annoying or entertaining.
- James_Tanner

You are 100% wrong. So you highly doubt it but you readily admit you don't know. The coach likes him and you saying he won't be back is your opinion correct ?

Constant trolling give me a break. So every player they sign /draft or trade for will have to be an analytically sound player? They wil have to pass the analytics smell test so to speak?