Todd Cordell: The Calgary Flames Should Pursue Patrick Wiercioch

I knew this article was coming. I don't mind the idea of him as a player. I just don't know that you can justify paying 2.5M to another 5/6 defenceman.

Todd, what would you think is a reasonable price to sign him to? Isn't his qualified # around $2.7mil?

I would rather resign Nakladal, personally, and find a way to get he and Wotherspoon into the line up by moving a couple of Smid, Wideman and Engelland. If you could somehow get OTT to take one of those guys in a trade for Wiercioch, sure.

Todd, what would you think is a reasonable price to sign him to? Isn't his qualified # around $2.7mil?

I would rather resign Nakladal, personally, and find a way to get he and Wotherspoon into the line up by moving a couple of Smid, Wideman and Engelland. If you could somehow get OTT to take one of those guys in a trade for Wiercioch, sure.
- TandA4Flames

Yes but if he isn't qualified and becomes a UFA they don't have to offer/pay him $2.7M.

If he is not qualified, technically you could sign him for less than 2 mil, depending on interest of course.

I like Patty W and think in the right environment he'll thrive and can be a decent 2nd pairing and good 3rd pairing guy...

The Sens really didn't handle him well and stupidly have guys like Borowecki and had guys like Cowen too... These idiots were somehow slotted ahead of Wiercioch and that was a disaster.

If I were Calgary I'd offer him a 2-3 year deal around 1.5M and I'm sure he'd take it.

Trust me, he can play and his next contract will be a bargain. Also, Ottawa shouldn't qualify Patty at $2.7. That doesn't make sense for the Sens with their top 4 being Karlsson, Phaneuf, Ceci and Methot. But Weircioch is more valuable than any of the other guys on D

I think Flames should target Marc Fleury this summer...but that's none of my business

I think Flames should target Marc Fleury this summer...but that's none of my business
- DeflatedPucks

Not sure he'd fit in that 5/6 D-spot...

Yes but if he isn't qualified and becomes a UFA they don't have to offer/pay him $2.7M.
- ToddCordellCGY

Yes, I realize that, which is why I asked how much you thought he could sign for? If it's over $2mil, I think it would think that's too rich for us.

I like the idea with Nakadal signing and somehow getting another spot open in the NHL for some of the AHL guys to get a shot. (I am guessing that would mean getting Wideman traded)

Sorry I missed the last thread about goalies......

This is my list of Goalie options for the Flames that I see in systems or playing in the NHL that have (or will have in the very near future) the potential to be a #1 Goalie. I am not an Expert on these guys or this position, this is just what I have pieced together from stats, personal opinion and other people's analysis.

Prospect Group - All in the AHL

Juuse Saros - Nashville Prospect (AHL Rookie)
Magnus Hellberg - Rangers Prospect
Marek Mazanec - Nashville Prospect
Subban - Boston Prospect
Fucale - Montreal Prospect
Wedgewood - New Jersey Prospect

NHL Group - Some of these I listed both roster goalies from teams that I think are still undecided as to which goalie they want as their #1 to protect.

Andersen - Ducks
Halak - New York Islanders
Neuvirth - Philadelphia
Fleury - Pittsburgh
Allen - St. Louis
Vasilevskiy - Tampa Bay
Bishop - Tampa Bay
Miller - Vancouver
Markstrom - Vancouver
Pavelec - Winnipeg
Howard - Detroit
Mrazek - Detroit

Free Agent Group

Reimer - FA
Ward - FA

Pick of the litter:
Out of all these Goalies if I could just pick one of these guys with no consequence to the current Flame's system it would probably be Vasilevskiy just because of his age and the experience he is currently receiving in the NHL. He should get at least 1 maybe 2 more contracts as an RFA so there is a bit more control over his salary for a few more years. I don't think he will be an option from Tampa as I would think he is the future and Bishop will be the one traded away.

Prospect Trade Candidate:
Out of the prospect group, Saros put up very similar numbers as Matt Murray in the AHL but he will be expansion draft protected because this is his first year of his ELC plus he seems to be the leading candidate to replace Rinne in Nashville. Hellberg put up decent numbers in the AHL so he might be a decent option as well.

Largest upside trade Candidate: (IMO)
Howard + one of their RFA nhl RW (Pulkkinen, Jurco, or Mantha)
for
Schneider, 2016 2nd round pick (#53) and Culkin (or Kulak)

Easiest GM Move:
Reimer to a 2 year deal at around $2.5-3.0mil a season

Best potential trade deal: (IMO)
Allen - (With Elliott being only being 31 with the numbers he put up last year and being the main starter for the playoffs there is no big reason he should not be their starter going into the future)
for
Schneider, 2016 2nd round pick (#53), 2016 2nd round pick (#55)

Out of all these options who do I think will be the Flames goalie next year ....... I have no Fracking Idea!

Sorry for the big long post ...... I probably wouldn't read it either!

Yes, I realize that, which is why I asked how much you thought he could sign for? If it's over $2mil, I think it would think that's too rich for us.
- TandA4Flames

He'd probably be top pairing on the Oilers

I like the idea with Nakadal signing and somehow getting another spot open in the NHL for some of the AHL guys to get a shot. (I am guessing that would mean getting Wideman traded)

Sorry I missed the last thread about goalies......

This is my list of Goalie options for the Flames that I see in systems or playing in the NHL that have (or will have in the very near future) the potential to be a #1 Goalie. I am not an Expert on these guys or this position, this is just what I have pieced together from stats, personal opinion and other people's analysis.

Prospect Group - All in the AHL

Juuse Saros - Nashville Prospect (AHL Rookie)
Magnus Hellberg - Rangers Prospect
Marek Mazanec - Nashville Prospect
Subban - Boston Prospect
Fucale - Montreal Prospect
Wedgewood - New Jersey Prospect

NHL Group - Some of these I listed both roster goalies from teams that I think are still undecided as to which goalie they want as their #1 to protect.

Andersen - Ducks
Halak - New York Islanders
Neuvirth - Philadelphia
Fleury - Pittsburgh
Allen - St. Louis
Vasilevskiy - Tampa Bay
Bishop - Tampa Bay
Miller - Vancouver
Markstrom - Vancouver
Pavelec - Winnipeg
Howard - Detroit
Mrazek - Detroit

Free Agent Group

Reimer - FA
Ward - FA

Pick of the litter:
Out of all these Goalies if I could just pick one of these guys with no consequence to the current Flame's system it would probably be Vasilevskiy just because of his age and the experience he is currently receiving in the NHL. He should get at least 1 maybe 2 more contracts as an RFA so there is a bit more control over his salary for a few more years. I don't think he will be an option from Tampa as I would think he is the future and Bishop will be the one traded away.

Prospect Trade Candidate:
Out of the prospect group, Saros put up very similar numbers as Matt Murray in the AHL but he will be expansion draft protected because this is his first year of his ELC plus he seems to be the leading candidate to replace Rinne in Nashville. Hellberg put up decent numbers in the AHL so he might be a decent option as well.

Largest upside trade Candidate: (IMO)
Howard + one of their RFA nhl RW (Pulkkinen, Jurco, or Mantha)
for
Schneider, 2016 2nd round pick (#53) and Culkin (or Kulak)

Easiest GM Move:
Reimer to a 2 year deal at around $2.5-3.0mil a season

Best potential trade deal: (IMO)
Allen - (With Elliott being only being 31 with the numbers he put up last year and being the main starter for the playoffs there is no big reason he should not be their starter going into the future)
for
Schneider, 2016 2nd round pick (#53), 2016 2nd round pick (#55)

Out of all these options who do I think will be the Flames goalie next year ....... I have no Fracking Idea!

Sorry for the big long post ...... I probably wouldn't read it either!
- buddy_doug

Good post b_d!

Yeah good post....I actually did read it!

I forgot about Jersey...Wedgewood would be a nice target. Even further down the line what about KinKaid? There's honestly so many options out there, I just really hope BT is patient. The more and more I think about it I think the best bet is to just sign Reimer for 2-3 years. He would be the perfect stop-gap to see what the Flames have in Gillies and McDonald, and It won't cost anything to acquire him. Not only that but he should give the Flames a shot to win every night, and perhaps take a step forward next year if they are ready.

I like the idea with Nakadal signing and somehow getting another spot open in the NHL for some of the AHL guys to get a shot. (I am guessing that would mean getting Wideman traded)

Sorry I missed the last thread about goalies......

This is my list of Goalie options for the Flames that I see in systems or playing in the NHL that have (or will have in the very near future) the potential to be a #1 Goalie. I am not an Expert on these guys or this position, this is just what I have pieced together from stats, personal opinion and other people's analysis.

Prospect Group - All in the AHL

Juuse Saros - Nashville Prospect (AHL Rookie)
Magnus Hellberg - Rangers Prospect
Marek Mazanec - Nashville Prospect
Subban - Boston Prospect
Fucale - Montreal Prospect
Wedgewood - New Jersey Prospect

NHL Group - Some of these I listed both roster goalies from teams that I think are still undecided as to which goalie they want as their #1 to protect.

Andersen - Ducks
Halak - New York Islanders
Neuvirth - Philadelphia
Fleury - Pittsburgh
Allen - St. Louis
Vasilevskiy - Tampa Bay
Bishop - Tampa Bay
Miller - Vancouver
Markstrom - Vancouver
Pavelec - Winnipeg
Howard - Detroit
Mrazek - Detroit

Free Agent Group

Reimer - FA
Ward - FA

Pick of the litter:
Out of all these Goalies if I could just pick one of these guys with no consequence to the current Flame's system it would probably be Vasilevskiy just because of his age and the experience he is currently receiving in the NHL. He should get at least 1 maybe 2 more contracts as an RFA so there is a bit more control over his salary for a few more years. I don't think he will be an option from Tampa as I would think he is the future and Bishop will be the one traded away.

Prospect Trade Candidate:
Out of the prospect group, Saros put up very similar numbers as Matt Murray in the AHL but he will be expansion draft protected because this is his first year of his ELC plus he seems to be the leading candidate to replace Rinne in Nashville. Hellberg put up decent numbers in the AHL so he might be a decent option as well.

Largest upside trade Candidate: (IMO)
Howard + one of their RFA nhl RW (Pulkkinen, Jurco, or Mantha)
for
Schneider, 2016 2nd round pick (#53) and Culkin (or Kulak)

Easiest GM Move:
Reimer to a 2 year deal at around $2.5-3.0mil a season

Best potential trade deal: (IMO)
Allen - (With Elliott being only being 31 with the numbers he put up last year and being the main starter for the playoffs there is no big reason he should not be their starter going into the future)
for
Schneider, 2016 2nd round pick (#53), 2016 2nd round pick (#55)

Out of all these options who do I think will be the Flames goalie next year ....... I have no Fracking Idea!

Sorry for the big long post ...... I probably wouldn't read it either!
- buddy_doug

Good post, and yes, I read it.

i think you missed some possibilities though.
Kuemper- MIN (RFA)
Pickard- COL (RFA)
Huthinson- WIN (RFA)
Hellebuyck- WIN (prospect)

I see some of these guys ready to break out.

Good post, and yes, I read it.

i think you missed some possibilities though.
Kuemper- MIN (RFA)
Pickard- COL (RFA)
Huthinson- WIN (RFA)
Hellebuyck- WIN (prospect)

I see some of these guys ready to break out.
- TandA4Flames

I am beginning to feel sorry for BT....where would you even begin?!

Yes it makes sense if you can get him to a good contract
Also, if you're signing Nakladal and making space for 1 more d-man to prove himself making a bargain signing creates some healthy competition...
plus you need bodies in case of injuries

I wouldn't sign more than 1 defenseman beyond what we have as I'm ready to see some of our prospects take the next step!!

Good post, and yes, I read it.

i think you missed some possibilities though.
Kuemper- MIN (RFA)
Pickard- COL (RFA)
Huthinson- WIN (RFA)
Hellebuyck- WIN (prospect)

I see some of these guys ready to break out.
- TandA4Flames

Thanks. Kuemper and Pickard make me a bit worried and that's pretty much based on nothing other than the starts they did get this year their numbers didn't really jump off the page.

Kuemper 16 starts only 6 wins and a .915 SV%
Pickard 13 starts 7 wins and a .922 SV%

BUT this is a really small data set to pull any conclusions from so someone that has seen these guys play are probably better to talk about if these are quality guys to go after. ... If we could steal Varlamov with only returning them the 2nd round pick(#55) they gifted us for the Berra trade I would be over the moon!

The reason I didn't mention Hutchinson or Hellabuyck is because I think they are the 1A 1B in Winnipeg next year.

I like the idea with Nakadal signing and somehow getting another spot open in the NHL for some of the AHL guys to get a shot. (I am guessing that would mean getting Wideman traded)

Sorry I missed the last thread about goalies......

This is my list of Goalie options for the Flames that I see in systems or playing in the NHL that have (or will have in the very near future) the potential to be a #1 Goalie. I am not an Expert on these guys or this position, this is just what I have pieced together from stats, personal opinion and other people's analysis.

Prospect Group - All in the AHL

Juuse Saros - Nashville Prospect (AHL Rookie)
Magnus Hellberg - Rangers Prospect
Marek Mazanec - Nashville Prospect
Subban - Boston Prospect
Fucale - Montreal Prospect
Wedgewood - New Jersey Prospect

NHL Group - Some of these I listed both roster goalies from teams that I think are still undecided as to which goalie they want as their #1 to protect.

Andersen - Ducks
Halak - New York Islanders
Neuvirth - Philadelphia
Fleury - Pittsburgh
Allen - St. Louis
Vasilevskiy - Tampa Bay
Bishop - Tampa Bay
Miller - Vancouver
Markstrom - Vancouver
Pavelec - Winnipeg
Howard - Detroit
Mrazek - Detroit

Free Agent Group

Reimer - FA
Ward - FA

Pick of the litter:
Out of all these Goalies if I could just pick one of these guys with no consequence to the current Flame's system it would probably be Vasilevskiy just because of his age and the experience he is currently receiving in the NHL. He should get at least 1 maybe 2 more contracts as an RFA so there is a bit more control over his salary for a few more years. I don't think he will be an option from Tampa as I would think he is the future and Bishop will be the one traded away.

Prospect Trade Candidate:
Out of the prospect group, Saros put up very similar numbers as Matt Murray in the AHL but he will be expansion draft protected because this is his first year of his ELC plus he seems to be the leading candidate to replace Rinne in Nashville. Hellberg put up decent numbers in the AHL so he might be a decent option as well.

Largest upside trade Candidate: (IMO)
Howard + one of their RFA nhl RW (Pulkkinen, Jurco, or Mantha)
for
Schneider, 2016 2nd round pick (#53) and Culkin (or Kulak)

Easiest GM Move:
Reimer to a 2 year deal at around $2.5-3.0mil a season

Best potential trade deal: (IMO)
Allen - (With Elliott being only being 31 with the numbers he put up last year and being the main starter for the playoffs there is no big reason he should not be their starter going into the future)
for
Schneider, 2016 2nd round pick (#53), 2016 2nd round pick (#55)

Out of all these options who do I think will be the Flames goalie next year ....... I have no Fracking Idea!

Sorry for the big long post ...... I probably wouldn't read it either!
- buddy_doug

yes a guy that was traded for the 9th overall a few seasons ago is now worth 2 second round picks that's laughable.

Thanks. Kuemper and Pickard make me a bit worried and that's pretty much based on nothing other than the starts they did get this year their numbers didn't really jump off the page.

Kuemper 16 starts only 6 wins and a .915 SV%
Pickard 13 starts 7 wins and a .922 SV%

BUT this is a really small data set to pull any conclusions from so someone that has seen these guys play are probably better to talk about if these are quality guys to go after. ... If we could steal Varlamov with only returning them the 2nd round pick(#55) they gifted us for the Berra trade I would be over the moon!

The reason I didn't mention Hutchinson or Hellabuyck is because I think they are the 1A 1B in Winnipeg next year.
- buddy_doug

More than likely, yea. But, given the situation, having 3 goalies and only being able to protect 1, they may be willing to part with either depending on the return.

I like Kuemper and Pickard for the upside. Pickard didn't exactly have the best team in front of him, so those #'s look pretty god considering. Plus, we could likely give them 1 or 2 year contracts to 'prove it' that would both be cost effective to the Flames. Not to mention that the cost should be relatively chep, especially in Kuemper's case.

Let's face it, even with top 10 goaltending, we are not cup contenders next year or maybe even after that. So, why not take a risk on young tenders that have shown strong abilities, but not so strong that they would now cost an arm and a leg to acquire (Murray, Vasilevskey).

Thanks. Kuemper and Pickard make me a bit worried and that's pretty much based on nothing other than the starts they did get this year their numbers didn't really jump off the page.

Kuemper 16 starts only 6 wins and a .915 SV%
Pickard 13 starts 7 wins and a .922 SV%

BUT this is a really small data set to pull any conclusions from so someone that has seen these guys play are probably better to talk about if these are quality guys to go after. ... If we could steal Varlamov with only returning them the 2nd round pick(#55) they gifted us for the Berra trade I would be over the moon!

The reason I didn't mention Hutchinson or Hellabuyck is because I think they are the 1A 1B in Winnipeg next year.
- buddy_doug

Just for Reference, Martin Jones had almost identical stats to Pickard when the Sharks traded for him to be their Number 1.

And dont be dumb about a 2nd round pick for varly, lets not get into the whole story of how that trade went down, why the Avs paid a 2nd round for him.

yes a guy that was traded for the 9th overall a few seasons ago is now worth 2 second round picks that's laughable.
- K-dizzle

Not everything is about you!!

http://www.hockeysfuture....prospects/nick-schneider/

yes a guy that was traded for the 9th overall a few seasons ago is now worth 2 second round picks that's laughable.
- K-dizzle

Try to keep up BUD! I know it's hard!

Not everything is about you!!

http://www.hockeysfuture....prospects/nick-schneider/
- Saskabush

In my defense you were talking about a majority of NHL goaltenders. They looked like 2 seperate options not a trade.
Carry on.

I knew this article was coming. I don't mind the idea of him as a player. I just don't know that you can justify paying 2.5M to another 5/6 defenceman.
- vinniethefish

Works for the Oilers We love collecting 5/6 d-men

He'd probably be top pairing on the Oilers
- Kevin R

It's not a secret that you really love Weirdcock