Jason Millen: Blues vs. Stars Game 3 Recap Blues vs. Stars Game 3 Recap

The Reaves fight and kiss was a thing of beauty.

Sceviour scored the Stars' goal last night.......

So from last blog.

There was talk of trades.

A proven player is worth more than a first rounder if the first rounder is byond the top three. Picks are not proven and are not usually worth a one for one with an established player. There are exceptions and in most of those cases either the player was a sure thing in the draft or a GM vastly overpaid and one vastly underpaid and that usually happens with RFAs and a tight cap situation. Or the trade is made at the deadline for a UFA and even then the returning first rounder is a late first rounder.


I used to want to take Edmonton's pick for Shatty to pick Tkachuk. Now there is a kid being rated higher by a hair in Pierre-Luc Dubois who is said to have an excellent two way game. I would rather have that player. I think Matthew is going to be a star in the league but a super fast, highly talented player who can play both ends of the ice is of premium value. If his offense fails he should find a place in the league as a third liner.

I suspect that Bouwmeester desires to go backnhome to Edmonton. I cannot remember when I heard it hinted at but I heard it hinted from the Blues broadcasters.

$6 million for a few more years or $4 million for one more year and the potential if the young dmen look capable of having a trade chip in season. Or the potential both could be moved in the off season for the right prices cutting $10 million off the books.

The left side appears more workable at this time than the right side. But it all depends of course on factors I am not aware of such as what the players think of playing for the Blues versus moving on. If one guy is a team player that loves the team more then you do not want to lose that over the other guy. I think Shatty really cares. His value might dip a bit if he is proven to not be very much more than a pp specialist.

Sceviour scored the Stars' goal last night.......
- Blues65

I knew that, just typed the wrong thing. Ugh. Thanks.

Also, Blues fans (not you but us all in general) shouldn't get too high on the horse...if my memory is right, the Blues beat the wild 6-1 in game 4 and that series didn't turn out so well.

The Reaves fight and kiss was a thing of beauty.
- bcallaway

I think he shut that kid up who seemed to think he was bullet proof and then learned he was unable to take more than one Reaves punch.

I knew that, just typed the wrong thing. Ugh. Thanks.

Also, Blues fans (not you but us all in general) shouldn't get too high on the horse...if my memory is right, the Blues beat the wild 6-1 in game 4 and that series didn't turn out so well.
- Jason Millen

Very true.

But after winning six games I will enjoy the feeling. Besides I have seen more effort than last year. More determination.

Does Reaves miss next game? Or are thenplay off rules different than regular season regarding fighting with less than five minutes left in the game?

Ruff had a great quote. Hitch had made a comment about the game being closer than the score or something. Ruff said - "Hitch is like the peanuts on top of the bar. They're complimentary. I'm not buying into that part."

I knew that, just typed the wrong thing. Ugh. Thanks.

Also, Blues fans (not you but us all in general) shouldn't get too high on the horse...if my memory is right, the Blues beat the wild 6-1 in game 4 and that series didn't turn out so well.
- Jason Millen

I think we're well versed in that area. At least the fellas on this board. We've all seen this movie before.

Very true.

But after winning six games I will enjoy the feeling. Besides I have seen more effort than last year. More determination.

Does Reaves miss next game? Or are thenplay off rules different than regular season regarding fighting with less than five minutes left in the game?
- BluemanGuruu

46.12 Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) - A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at any time in overtime shall be assessed an instigator minor penalty, a major penalty for fighting, and a game misconduct penalty, subject to the conditions outlined in 46.22.

46.22 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) - A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime (see 46.12), shall be suspended for one game, pending a review of the incident.
When the one-game suspension is imposed, the Coach shall be fined $10,000 – a fine that will double for each subsequent incident.

The suspension shall be served unless, upon review of the incident, the Director of Hockey Operations, at his discretion, deems the incident is not related to the score, previous incidents in the game or prior games, retaliatory in nature, “message sending”, etc. The length of suspension will double for each subsequent offense. This suspension shall be served in addition to any other automatic suspensions a player may incur for an accumulation of three or more instigator penalties.

46.12 Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) - A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at any time in overtime shall be assessed an instigator minor penalty, a major penalty for fighting, and a game misconduct penalty, subject to the conditions outlined in 46.22.

46.22 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) - A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime (see 46.12), shall be suspended for one game, pending a review of the incident.
When the one-game suspension is imposed, the Coach shall be fined $10,000 – a fine that will double for each subsequent incident.

The suspension shall be served unless, upon review of the incident, the Director of Hockey Operations, at his discretion, deems the incident is not related to the score, previous incidents in the game or prior games, retaliatory in nature, “message sending”, etc. The length of suspension will double for each subsequent offense. This suspension shall be served in addition to any other automatic suspensions a player may incur for an accumulation of three or more instigator penalties.
- Jason Millen

So Reaves is retaliating, the other guy starts it and drops his gloves first. So what d you make of it?

So Reaves is retaliating, the other guy starts it and drops his gloves first. So what d you make of it?
- BluemanGuruu

Did reaves get an instigator penalty and I missed it?

So from last blog.
I suspect that Bouwmeester desires to go back home to Edmonton. I cannot remember when I heard it hinted at but I heard it hinted from the Blues broadcasters.

- BluemanGuruu

Truly?

I'm no fan of Reaves but he was no where near the instigator last night. That was all Dallas baiting him, He responded on his way away from the scrum last night otherwise it's just Fiddler going to the box.

He's not much more than a little talent 4th liner, but I'm glad some teams still use them and wish the Stars had a little more muscle. Nothing against him for anything he did last night.

I'm no fan of Reaves but he was no where near the instigator last night. That was all Dallas baiting him, He responded on his way away from the scrum last night otherwise it's just Fiddler going to the box.

He's not much more than a little talent 4th liner, but I'm glad some teams still use them and wish the Stars had a little more muscle. Nothing against him for anything he did last night.
- tootooisapunk

I'd just assume he not blow the kiss in game 3. No need to give any motivation, rallying point, etc. to the stars. Up big in an elimination game would be one thing (still wouldn't like it) but this early in a series, no thanks.

I could see a coach getting irritated at the kiss, and obviously I didn't care for it. But good for him for having a little fun and showing a little personality. To the victors go the spoils.

Truly?
- Wildschwein

truly

I'd just assume he not blow the kiss in game 3. No need to give any motivation, rallying point, etc. to the stars. Up big in an elimination game would be one thing (still wouldn't like it) but this early in a series, no thanks.
- Jason Millen

the Blues have issues with over confidence.

There is no one in the Start lineup that could go toe to toe with him. Its an intimidation thing. Hes knows hes in their heads. He didn't even really get any good hits in yesterday.

truly
- BluemanGuruu

So from last blog.

There was talk of trades.

A proven player is worth more than a first rounder if the first rounder is byond the top three. Picks are not proven and are not usually worth a one for one with an established player. There are exceptions and in most of those cases either the player was a sure thing in the draft or a GM vastly overpaid and one vastly underpaid and that usually happens with RFAs and a tight cap situation. Or the trade is made at the deadline for a UFA and even then the returning first rounder is a late first rounder.


I used to want to take Edmonton's pick for Shatty to pick Tkachuk. Now there is a kid being rated higher by a hair in Pierre-Luc Dubois who is said to have an excellent two way game. I would rather have that player. I think Matthew is going to be a star in the league but a super fast, highly talented player who can play both ends of the ice is of premium value. If his offense fails he should find a place in the league as a third liner.

I suspect that Bouwmeester desires to go backnhome to Edmonton. I cannot remember when I heard it hinted at but I heard it hinted from the Blues broadcasters.

$6 million for a few more years or $4 million for one more year and the potential if the young dmen look capable of having a trade chip in season. Or the potential both could be moved in the off season for the right prices cutting $10 million off the books.

The left side appears more workable at this time than the right side. But it all depends of course on factors I am not aware of such as what the players think of playing for the Blues versus moving on. If one guy is a team player that loves the team more then you do not want to lose that over the other guy. I think Shatty really cares. His value might dip a bit if he is proven to not be very much more than a pp specialist.
- BluemanGuruu

Shatty will be the one to go this off season. I said it way back at the beginning of the regular season when the writing was on the wall. Parayko arrived with great potential as a more complete D man, it was only a matter of time before Shatty would be eclipsed.

The downside is that with Shatty's upcoming UFA status, his value drops significantly, especially to a team like Edmonton who has trouble attracting UFA's. I like the idea floated earlier about packaging him with our first to move up in the round.

I wouldn't move J bo though. He's had a couple of bad games but overall the Petro/J-Bo combo has been a big point of strength for this team so far. You might be able to move him as early as next season if Edmundson continues to improve as well as Lindbohm but it would be an unnecessary and risky move to make this summer. I love Edmunsdon and he has had a good playoff overall but it is not as if he has moved up the ladder the way Parayko has. Eventually I believe he will but he needs to play more before you throw him on the top pair every night.

I'd just assume he not blow the kiss in game 3. No need to give any motivation, rallying point, etc. to the stars. Up big in an elimination game would be one thing (still wouldn't like it) but this early in a series, no thanks.
- Jason Millen

Could go either way. That kiss, plus a few big hits early in game 4, and Dallas might have a few players more focused getting back at Reaves than the scoreboard.

An important part of the discussion of trading a d-man: Blues can only protect 3 next summer in the expansion draft; and Blues have to leave 25% of their salary cap exposed.

Blues look to be in a great spot, if they discuss contracts but don't sign any over the next year. Guys like Shattenkirk, Steen, and Berglund can be left unprotected. Then the expansion team will have to decide if they want to waste a pick on a guy whose contract will expire a few weeks later. If not selected, extend them, if selected, sign on July 1 to the contract already discussed.

All speculative, but point being, Blues could not trade Shattenkirk, have a solid idea they can afford to extend him, then go the entire year without actually doing so for the sake of the expansion draft.

Boy has Backes finally arrived playing his game when they count the most. I always felt like David was kind of a slow starter. Every season it seems like it takes a month or so for him to start contributing offensively. The Blues never made it long enough in the playoffs for him to really get going and find his game. I think that lucky break in OT game 1 vs Chicago was what got him going so early this time around. He finally looks like he's comfortable and confident in the playoffs. As Hitch pointed out after the round 1 win, there were some guys on this Blues team that had to get over that mental hurdle, the captain being one of them. No idea how this all plays out, but it would be a shame for all that "learning experience" to go to another team with him after this year. I realize he's 32 and plays a style of hockey that is physically taxing on the body, but I really hope the Blues find a way to keep him around at least a couple more years.

Last nights win gave me as a fan a lot of confidence in this team. Not just because they convincingly beat Dallas, but the attitude they portrayed doing it. They seemed confident and not overly excited. Kind of a business as usual look to them, and I liked it bc as we know the Blues winning games in the playoffs is not business as usual. I think this next game will finally tell me if they have turned another corner. If they come out and play another hard, in your face 60 minute game then I think they may have finally arrived. Too many time we've seen one step forward two steps back from them too much inconsistency from game to game. If they bring it again tomorrow night for game four then I think this team might just be on their way. Can't wait to see what happens! LGB!

Anyone else notice how, after getting boarded by Johns, Petro wasn't engaged with anyone, and Benn came after him, punched him (gloves on) while JBo tried to pull him away? Talk about classless.