James Tanner: What to Do With the Coyotes' Free Agents? Hopefully not sign most of them!

Since the main thrust of this is that the Yotes only have 5 players under contract worth keeping, why shouldn't they re-sign Doan? I really don't see how he's impeding them at all. As for cutting ties with Doan solely for the benefit handing the "leadership" reins over to the next generation, how well has that worked for your other favorite NHL team? (The one that plays about 1500 miles north of the Yotes)

Tanner, This is how I know you fast forward through the games and only look at the stats after! Martinook was great this year! He was an amazing penalty killer and shot blocker. He did all the little things that a teams needs, and he did them well. He may be team MVP. Every Coyotes fan noticed this, except you. And again why would you not resign Doan for two years? He had 28 Goals! A 28 goal scoring, 3rd line player that hits, fights and everyone loves. Lets get rid of the bum says J.T.

Since the main thrust of this is that the Yotes only have 5 players under contract worth keeping, why shouldn't they re-sign Doan? I really don't see how he's impeding them at all. As for cutting ties with Doan solely for the benefit handing the "leadership" reins over to the next generation, how well has that worked for your other favorite NHL team? (The one that plays about 1500 miles north of the Yotes)
- Snowblind

He's 40 years old and not very good anymore.

Personally, I think having to add/promote one more player is nothing against the fact that you have this guy who's taking a roster spot away from someone you can develop.

The fact that it doesn't become OEL's team, Duclair and Domi's team until him AND Smith, Michalek and Vermette are gone is also a problem.

You don't seem to have a point other than the difficulty of adding a single player and a non-sensical reference to the Leafs, the relevance of which completely escapes me.

Tanner, This is how I know you fast forward through the games and only look at the stats after! Martinook was great this year! He was an amazing penalty killer and shot blocker. He did all the little things that a teams needs, and he did them well. He may be team MVP. Every Coyotes fan noticed this, except you. And again why would you not resign Doan for two years? He had 28 Goals! A 28 goal scoring, 3rd line player that hits, fights and everyone loves. Lets get rid of the bum says J.T.
- Gomey

If Martinhook is your idea of great, you need to get some help. Team MVP? That is insanity. He's a league average replacement player. If they want to keep him around, then that's fine with me, but he's a fourth line player and you already have a whole whack of those.

Since he's under contract, he'll be back. Who knows, he's only 23 or 24 so he could have something more to offer. I can't find any evidence other than ice-time that he's a good penalty killer, and I'd rather you put out a skilled player in that situation anyways.

Either way, the idea that a player who plays 11 minutes a night and is 47% possession is team MVP is crazy. Why is it people jump right to "you don't watch hockey and the only way you could disagree with me is if you were completely ignorant"??? Especially over Martinhook? Pejorative expletives deleted.

He's not good anymore? 28 goals and he's not good anymore? Sign him to a 1-2 year deal and have him help the younger guys develop. The leadership alone would be worth signing him.

He's not good anymore? 28 goals and he's not good anymore? Sign him to a 1-2 year deal and have him help the younger guys develop. The leadership alone would be worth signing him.
- Streit2ThePoint

Disagree. His 28 goals came at 16% shooting and a 103pdo, so its not as good as it seems. + its just time for a fresh start.

To be clear, I'm not saying Doan isn't a decent player still. He's good. But whatever you get out of him is countered by the fact that he's going to take 15 minutes of decent ice time you can give to a player that you can develop into an asset for trade or winning.

Consider the theory that outside of the elite level players and the worst, below replacement level guys, the rest of the league is so marginally close to each other in skill level that the biggest factors in their success tend to be ice time and opportunity. If this is true, which there are a lot of good reasons to think so, then it's extremely bad management for a team in the draft/development level of franchise building to waste giving one of these opportunities on a player they can't trade or use to win.

It literally makes no sense to roster a 40 year old guy for his leadership abilities.

If they were on the verge of being a Playoff team it'd be a different story, but they are in draft and develop territory.

Coyotes need to make a few of those "We will take your aging player with an absurd contract if you also give us x, y, and z" type trades. Fast track the rebuild.

Coyotes need to make a few of those "We will take your aging player with an absurd contract if you also give us x, y, and z" type trades. Fast track the rebuild.
- Cephalopods

What's an example of one of these trades?

What's an example of one of these trades?
- Tumbleweed

Datsyuks contract + something

Disagree. His 28 goals came at 16% shooting and a 103pdo, so its not as good as it seems. + its just time for a fresh start.

To be clear, I'm not saying Doan isn't a decent player still. He's good. But whatever you get out of him is countered by the fact that he's going to take 15 minutes of decent ice time you can give to a player that you can develop into an asset for trade or winning.

Consider the theory that outside of the elite level players and the worst, below replacement level guys, the rest of the league is so marginally close to each other in skill level that the biggest factors in their success tend to be ice time and opportunity. If this is true, which there are a lot of good reasons to think so, then it's extremely bad management for a team in the draft/development level of franchise building to waste giving one of these opportunities on a player they can't trade or use to win.

It literally makes no sense to roster a 40 year old guy for his leadership abilities.

If they were on the verge of being a Playoff team it'd be a different story, but they are in draft and develop territory.
- James_Tanner

Even if he regresses to the mean, that's still a 20-goal season. Unless the Yotes have 5-6 other wingers that Doan's presence is keeping down on the farm, whose opportunities is he taking? I know they have a couple of players in wait but not a whole team's worth.

Also, pushing the face of the franchise out to pasture after a 28-goal season is no way to run a hockey team, IMO.

Even if he regresses to the mean, that's still a 20-goal season. Unless the Yotes have 5-6 other wingers that Doan's presence is keeping down on the farm, whose opportunities is he taking? I know they have a couple of players in wait but not a whole team's worth.

Also, pushing the face of the franchise out to pasture after a 28-goal season is no way to run a hockey team, IMO.
- Snowblind

It really has nothing to do with weather someone can replace his production. It's more about using a winger slot on your roster and PP that you aren't developing into an asset.

It's also not pushing him out if you just refuse to resign him, as he is UFA. Hopefully he retires and saves the organization an akward conversation or bad press. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure he can come back if he wants to and he probably wants to.

James a lot of guys who bang in rebounds seem to have a high shooting percentage...could it just not be the style of play?

Just curios what you think....watching Komarov dish to Kadri and then head for the crease seemed to make his shooting percentage seem out of whack too. ( along with Doans )

As usual the site is running like junk and I couldn't quote the post

If Martinhook is your idea of great, you need to get some help. Team MVP? That is insanity. He's a league average replacement player. If they want to keep him around, then that's fine with me, but he's a fourth line player and you already have a whole whack of those.

Since he's under contract, he'll be back. Who knows, he's only 23 or 24 so he could have something more to offer. I can't find any evidence other than ice-time that he's a good penalty killer, and I'd rather you put out a skilled player in that situation anyways.

Either way, the idea that a player who plays 11 minutes a night and is 47% possession is team MVP is crazy. Why is it people jump right to "you don't watch hockey and the only way you could disagree with me is if you were completely ignorant"??? Especially over Martinhook? Pejorative expletives deleted.
- James_Tanner

To be fair somebody has to block some shots...every player in the league can't be above 50...somebody has to be a lesser player every shift...I mean it's great if you think a team can have 12 Anze Kopitars or whomever has the best Corsi...for every guy with a good Corsi there has to b the opposite I would think...so those players I would want them doing the little things right. IMO

James a lot of guys who bang in rebounds seem to have a high shooting percentage...could it just not be the style of play?

Just curios what you think....watching Komarov dish to Kadri and then head for the crease seemed to make his shooting percentage seem out of whack too. ( along with Doans )

As usual the site is running like junk and I couldn't quote the post
- Garnie

Doan's percentage this year was a good 33% over his career average. But the point is that there's reasons other than his play to get rid of him.

Your're wrong about Doan James. The point your are trying to make is odd. Doan is not the problem. And not resigning him would just be stupid. A 28 goal scoring, that Arizona loves. And Martinook is very good! He scored 9 goals in his first year. But his main job was a penalty killer. And he was great at it! As a hockey fan, watching Martinook work the penalty kill was amazing. They do have a great deal of work to do, but Doan and Martinook were the two best players last year.

Doan's percentage this year was a good 33% over his career average. But the point is that there's reasons other than his play to get rid of him.
- James_Tanner

I wasn't debating if he should or shouldn't be on the team.