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Jared Crozier
Ottawa Senators
Location: Gatineau, QC
Joined: 09.26.2014

Apr 11 @ 11:37 AM ET
Jared Crozier: Who Is Cleaning Out Their Lockers For The Last Time Today In Ottawa?
SensnRBs
Ottawa Senators
Location: it ain't cheatin' if ur wife is watching, ON
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 11 @ 12:17 PM ET
But despite the owners mumblings, I don't think there will be a wholesale tear-down and rebuild this summer.

nor do I. I think there will be a coaching change for sure, but the core will be back - and I expect both Z-Bad and Hoffman to be part of it. The only caveat to that statement would be if by some chance they were able to bring in a #1 centre that is in the top ten in the league (ala Malkin). I think the chances of that are very slim.

as for who will be gone from the current roster/payroll ....
Chiasson
Gomez
Wiercioch
one of Wideman/BoroCop
Phillips

Back to Bingo.....
Peumple
Dzingle
Paul

Incoming.....
- a T6 LW ..... with a ring..... Ladd/Kunitz.
- or a T6 LW ard nosed ..... Lucic/N Foligno/Hartnell
This would have an experienced, hard, proven LW in the T6 and let Mac fall to a more comfortable 3LW.

- a solid, been there done that, this is how you win a cup #5 defenseman

.....here is a slight variation from above, but with two UFA signings, our forwards could look like

Hoffman Turris Ryan
Ladd Zbad Stone
Smith Pageau Versteeg
McArthur Lazar Neil

I did a quick salary cap projection and came up with this....

Hoffman 5.5
Turris 3.5
Ryan 7.25
Ladd 6
Zbad 2.625
Stone 3.5
Smith 1.8875
Pageau 0.9
Versteeg 2.5
McArthur 4.625
Lazar 0.894167
Neil 1.5
Phaneuf 7
Karlsson 6.5
Methot 4.9
Ceci 2.5
Boro 1.1
Wideman 0.6
Anderson 4.2
Hammond 1.35
$68.831667

So, even if my projections are off by a bit, there is still lots of cap space....
legs37
Ottawa Senators
Location: Carleton Place, ON
Joined: 01.09.2015

Apr 11 @ 12:29 PM ET
The Sens have a hard-nosed LW who has proven he can score too - Zach Smith. I would keep him in that position and see if he can fill the role. He may not score 25G (a few he got without Stone's help) again, but he may have found his niche.
ClarksonDavid
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Rielly wouldn't, crack top 4 on the sens team -PtotheY, SK
Joined: 03.15.2014

Apr 11 @ 12:35 PM ET
Stone and Ceci both going to Worlds for Canada. Stone should have a nice tournament
SensnRBs
Ottawa Senators
Location: it ain't cheatin' if ur wife is watching, ON
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 11 @ 12:40 PM ET
The Sens have a hard-nosed LW who has proven he can score too - Zach Smith. I would keep him in that position and see if he can fill the role. He may not score 25G (a few he got without Stone's help) again, but he may have found his niche.
- legs37


one would/could hope so, but hopes and dreams from last year, got us where we are today.... Smith will most likely regress next year, back down to a respectable 15-18 goals.
MaxTLimit
Ottawa Senators
Location: Middle 'o Nowehre, ON
Joined: 07.02.2014

Apr 11 @ 12:49 PM ET
Karlsson not going to worlds.
Hoffman can't because of contract / insurance issues.

Wideman playing for team USA.
MaxTLimit
Ottawa Senators
Location: Middle 'o Nowehre, ON
Joined: 07.02.2014

Apr 11 @ 1:10 PM ET
one would/could hope so, but hopes and dreams from last year, got us where we are today.... Smith will most likely regress next year, back down to a respectable 15-18 goals.
- SensnRBs

I would be fine with Smith Pageau and....Lazar, I guess. as the third line. I don't think we need Smith in the top 6 if MacArthur comes back as an effective 20 goal scorer.

I do think the Sens should look for another #2 LW ( assuming Hoffman stays ) as an insurance policy.
riceroni
Ottawa Senators
Location: e5, ON
Joined: 07.29.2009

Apr 11 @ 1:23 PM ET
I'd like to see the Sens field offers for..

MacArthur (probably a 2nd and a young player)
Methot (look for a good prospect)
Zibanejad (look to use him plus another asset to get a Duchene/RHN type guy)
Boro (waivers, addition by subtraction)

Mac and Meth I'd want to trade because of $ and that they're getting older and can be replaced by cheaper and younger guys in the system of sign free agents that can be better player such as Ladd or trade for guys like Hjalmarsson or Edler.
TheCalSen
Ottawa Senators
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 05.07.2014

Apr 11 @ 1:33 PM ET
‎@creecher1200
Hoffman: I love Ottawa. This is the number 1 spot I want to be
8:41 AM - 11 Apr 2016


How can you not like this guy?
Raven33
Ottawa Senators
Location: Jenn, stop copying me as I copy Garth myself! - Andrew S.
Joined: 11.12.2008

Apr 11 @ 1:37 PM ET
I'd like to see the Sens field offers for..

MacArthur (probably a 2nd and a young player)
Methot (look for a good prospect)
Zibanejad (look to use him plus another asset to get a Duchene/RHN type guy)
Boro (waivers, addition by subtraction)

Mac and Meth I'd want to trade because of $ and that they're getting older and can be replaced by cheaper and younger guys in the system of sign free agents that can be better player such as Ladd or trade for guys like Hjalmarsson or Edler.


No team would touch Mac until he can prove he can play and stay healthy...
Why would you want to mess with our FINALLY solid top 4? Methot $$$ is fine for what he does and we know that he works perfectly with Karlsson, let's not mess with that!
Z I'm ok if it is part of a package to get a better top 6 forward but no way I trade him for a pick/prospect...
Boro - Meh...good #6/7 soldier but if he has to go, no biggie...
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Apr 11 @ 1:48 PM ET
Lets hope Ceci going to the worlds isn't a repeat of the wierchich curse.
KarlOrBust
Ottawa Senators
Location: Fort McMurray, AB
Joined: 11.30.2014

Apr 11 @ 2:04 PM ET
I'd like to see the Sens field offers for..

MacArthur (probably a 2nd and a young player)
Methot (look for a good prospect)
Zibanejad (look to use him plus another asset to get a Duchene/RHN type guy)
Boro (waivers, addition by subtraction)

Mac and Meth I'd want to trade because of $ and that they're getting older and can be replaced by cheaper and younger guys in the system of sign free agents that can be better player such as Ladd or trade for guys like Hjalmarsson or Edler.

- riceroni


Assuming Mac can play next year, you'd be giving up 20 goals for a slight chance of a top 6 5 years down the road.
Our D is horrible, trading Meth makes a huge hole in which no one in our system can come close to filling.
To do that ZB trade you'd have to include Hoffman.

So you want to get rid of Mac and sign Ladd, who is looking for something like $6 for 6 who's best days are behind him?

Our cupboards are bare. Did you not see our call ups this year? No one is even remotely close to an NHL regular, let alone top 6 or solid trade bait. And free agents are always over paid. Id be happy to bring in a bottom guy with experience, but if you want to land a tier one free agent you're going to pay way too much for far too long.
Erik6Karlsson5
Ottawa Senators
Location: It's Knuckle Puck Time.., NB
Joined: 01.23.2013

Apr 11 @ 7:18 PM ET
My top 5 Bryan Murray trades 2007 - 2016

#1)
Ott: 2009 1st round pick, 15th overall (Erik Karlsson)
Nsh: 2009 1st 18th overall / 2009 3rd round pick


#2)
Ott: Kyle Turris
Ari: David Rundblad / 2012 2nd rounder

#3)
Ott: Ben Bishop
Stl: 2013 2nd rounder

#4)
Ott: Dion Phaneuf / top 6 AHLers
Tor: Michalek / Cowen / Lindberg / Greening / 2017 2nd rounder

#5)
Ott: Bobby Ryan
Ana: Silverberg / 2014 1st rounder(Nick Ritchie) / Noeson


Honerable mention:

Ott: Kuba / 2009 1st rounder / Pickard
TB : Meszaros
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Apr 11 @ 9:34 PM ET
Good blog.

Hard to speculate what will be done with Dorian just being named GM. We all know what this team needs (top 6 forward, 1st line centre, defence depth). A quick glance at the available free agents, and my first impression is meh. Some decent names but likely to go elsewhere or warrant ridiculous contracts. To me, trades have to occur. I've said it before, I think we only have a 3 year window (Karlsson's remaining contract) with the core we have now to make a run. In my opinion, you have to take some risk moving your high picks and promising prospects to make a run soon. I can't see this team being a contender with the players we have now. Drafting and developing guys from scratch now, won't help us until 3 or 4 years down the road anyway.
JS_19
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 12.23.2011

Apr 11 @ 9:40 PM ET
Go after Matt Duchene, I would give Zibby, Nick Paul and a 2nd round pick for him. But not sure of Colorado would take that offer, prob have to give a first round pick with those two.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Apr 11 @ 9:52 PM ET
Go after Matt Duchene, I would give Zibby, Nick Paul and a 2nd round pick for him. But not sure of Colorado would take that offer, prob have to give a first round pick with those two.
- JS_19

Sign Hoffman to 5-6 mill per
Zibby, Paul, 2016 1st for Duchene at the draft
Chabot, a 2nd in 2016 and a 2nd in 2017 for Drouin at the draft
Sign or make a minor trade a depth d-man or two after July 1

Roster looks good for 3 seasons.

*Also, hope Mac can stay healthy to provide depth. If not, another depth forward might be required, but likely more of a deadline move in that case*

*I think Duchene is close to as untouchable as Karlsson here in Ottawa, but thought I'd play along.*
h2owned
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.12.2013

Apr 11 @ 10:21 PM ET
I'd rather trade Turris+ for Duchene. Well having Duchene would be awesome, Duchene Turris Pageau down the middle is too small.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Apr 11 @ 10:46 PM ET
Sign Hoffman to 5-6 mill per
Zibby, Paul, 2016 1st for Duchene at the draft
Chabot, a 2nd in 2016 and a 2nd in 2017 for Drouin at the draft
Sign or make a minor trade a depth d-man or two after July 1

Roster looks good for 3 seasons.

*Also, hope Mac can stay healthy to provide depth. If not, another depth forward might be required, but likely more of a deadline move in that case*

*I think Duchene is close to as untouchable as Karlsson here in Ottawa, but thought I'd play along.*

- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I would trade that in a second for Duchene but the Avs are looking for D. so whatever package is made my bet is that it would involve a forward, a Defense and a pick

I think thats way over paying for Drouin. There is better talent out there for less. I'd much rather go for Brayden Schenn.

I also wouldn't give up Chabot, he is going to be huge for this team in the future.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Apr 11 @ 10:50 PM ET
I'd rather trade Turris+ for Duchene. Well having Duchene would be awesome, Duchene Turris Pageau down the middle is too small.
- h2owned

i think the whole point in trying for Duchene is so that Turris can play his best position as #2C
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Apr 11 @ 11:13 PM ET
I'd rather trade Turris+ for Duchene. Well having Duchene would be awesome, Duchene Turris Pageau down the middle is too small.
- h2owned

Good point. Moving Turris would likely mean an easier time getting a more legit centre, of course adding to the deal.

I would trade that in a second for Duchene but the Avs are looking for D. so whatever package is made my bet is that it would involve a forward, a Defense and a pick

I think thats way over paying for Drouin. There is better talent out there for less. I'd much rather go for Brayden Schenn.

I also wouldn't give up Chabot, he is going to be huge for this team in the future.

- Maverick1818

Swap Paul with Chabot? White for Drouin straight up.

While Chabot may turn into a good player, he likely won't be helping this team win within the next 3 years. Still has a ways to develop.

We've sat around and waited for prospects long enough. We have Stone, Karlsson, Hoffman, Ceci, Zibby (if you keep him) Pag, etc all entering their primes now. We've seen others like Cowen, Wiercioch, and Greening fail. Time to try and win with this group rather than more waiting around for prospects that may or may not pan out. More waiting just means you'll loose a player or two in the process and just creating the same carousal of mediocrity. Move some assets to bring in some more meat to the roster.
Maverick1818
Ottawa Senators
Location: PEI
Joined: 02.06.2015

Apr 11 @ 11:46 PM ET
Good point. Moving Turris would likely mean an easier time getting a more legit centre, of course adding to the deal.


Swap Paul with Chabot? White for Drouin straight up.

While Chabot may turn into a good player, he likely won't be helping this team win within the next 3 years. Still has a ways to develop.

We've sat around and waited for prospects long enough. We have Stone, Karlsson, Hoffman, Ceci, Zibby (if you keep him) Pag, etc all entering their primes now. We've seen others like Cowen, Wiercioch, and Greening fail. Time to try and win with this group rather than more waiting around for prospects that may or may not pan out. More waiting just means you'll loose a player or two in the process and just creating the same carousal of mediocrity. Move some assets to bring in some more meat to the roster.

- Gord_Wilson_2.0


I wouldn't move White or Chabot. having watched them play over the last few years. Chabot could be ready next year to get started in the NHL and I think white in the next 1-2 years.

We have a core (which you mentioned) we just need some tweeking. I'm all for making big moves but we can't completely deplete our prospects and future because we want to win and then keep winning, not win and then rebuild.

I know we wont get Duchene (or anyone else) for nothing but we have lots of NHL ready players who could use a change and be moved. Wier, Chiasson,smith (might as well sell high on him while his stock is still high), technically still Gomez, Mac, Paul, and several others we could make packages.

Problem being is that we don't have a GM that can pull it off and BM will clearly still be pulling the strings in the background, which is why I said we should not promote from within.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Apr 12 @ 3:55 AM ET
I'd rather trade Turris+ for Duchene. Well having Duchene would be awesome, Duchene Turris Pageau down the middle is too small.
- h2owned

Zibanejad - 6'2 222 lbs
Turris - 6'1 190 lbs
Duchene...... 5'11 200 lbs

I think people need to forget Duchene rumors. I think Zibanejad's biggest problem is consistency and finding a coaching that can maximize his attributes. I think Ryan, Zibanejad got to be players that don't over think and play more on instincts.
SensnRBs
Ottawa Senators
Location: it ain't cheatin' if ur wife is watching, ON
Joined: 04.03.2014

Apr 12 @ 8:10 AM ET
[quote=Gord_Wilson_2.0]
Zibby, Paul, 2016 1st for Duchene at the draft
quote]

I'm not sure I share the love affair for Duchene - especially if we need to give up one of our centres + + to get him.

He got 59 points (30-29) in 76 games last year. Mika got 51 (21-30) in 81 games and Turris averaged 62 pts before this injury plagued season.

So, one could argue that Duchene is a slight improvement over Turris. I wouldn't trade Turris to get Duchene (and I know it wasn't mentioned in this post, but it was in others)

Likewise with Zibby - who is 3 years younger than Duchene. One could easily see that Zibby will project to be slightly under Duchene (or, hopefully equal).

Why would we give up three strong assets for a slight improvement? If we have to give up one of our centres + + , the return better be a T10 centre in the league.....

so we are talking about Backstrom, Tavaras, Seguin, Kopitar, Pavelski, Thorton, Stamkos and Crosby .... through in a healthy Malkin to that list.

Would you do a blockbuster like Zibby+Ryan+1st+.... for one of those guys .... wld anybody listen???

Realistically, the only shot would be Stamkos (UFA), or Thorton - unless Mike Milbury becomes GM again even those two would be a long shot at best.

Despite all the wishes here, I doubt PD moves either of Turris, or Zibby.
Charliebox
Joined: 09.08.2008

Apr 12 @ 9:49 AM ET
Apparently Zibby is staying in Ottawa over the summer to train with the Sens trainers and get himself into optimal shape for next season.

Is it because he's really committing himself long-term or because next year is a contract year?

At any rate, all the Zibby haters and apologists will really know what we have next season.

If he's still struggling with consistency, effort level and toughness next year, I say it's time to move on.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Apr 12 @ 10:10 AM ET
Cameron is done.
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