Jared Crozier: Game Day: Senators @ Bruins - A Merciful End

Go Sens Go!

Need to pull off another meaningless win that can ruin your draft position and lottery odds even more.

That HUGE win over Florida moved the Sens from the 10th pick to the 12th pick. Let's solidify that with another big win today boys!!

Go Sens Go!

Need to pull off another meaningless win that can ruin your draft position and lottery odds even more.

That HUGE win over Florida moved the Sens from the 10th pick to the 12th pick. Let's solidify that with another big win today boys!!
- punchanello77

Odds are Hammond gets a shutout and ruins our draft position even more.

I urge people to look over the last 15 years of drafts and realize draft position means very little in the grand scheme of things unless the position is from 1-3. Picks 5-15 or so are virtually a crapshoot, and gems are possible there. Educate yourselves and quite complaining about positioning.

It's not about picking 10th or 12th - I agree that once you clear the top 5, it doesn't matter that much. It's about our odds for the lottery.

Had we tanked properly and slid to 9th, we would have double the odds of getting a top three pick than we will at 12th.

In both cases, it is a long shot, but I prefer an approx 12-15% chance over a 7-8% chance.

I urge people to look over the last 15 years of drafts and realize draft position means very little in the grand scheme of things unless the position is from 1-3. Picks 5-15 or so are virtually a crapshoot, and gems are possible there. Educate yourselves and quite complaining about positioning.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Draft position does matter. Each year produces a limited number of sure fire NHLers. After that, drafts are more of a crap shoot where the odds of picking a quality NHLer drop off precipitously.

Every draft has a significant drop off point. For this draft, it is around 10-12.

Sucks that the Sens final game is at noon on a Saturday


If they win today we pick 12th , if they loose and Colorado & NJ get 1 point each tonight Sens pick 10th.


Colorado plays Anaheim at home so they might get a point.

NJ plays The Laughs at home so that should be an easy 2 points.

Sucks that the Sens final game is at noon on a Saturday


If they win today we pick 12th , if they loose and Colorado & NJ get 1 point each tonight Sens pick 10th.


Colorado plays Anaheim at home so they might get a point.

NJ plays The Laughs at home so that should be an easy 2 points.
- Erik6Karlsson5

That's what Philly thought

Well I know it will hurt their draft pick, but I don't care. It means much more to me to spoil the Bruins late run. I hate the Bruins and would be delighted to see them miss the playoffs. I'm rooting for nearby Detroit and even Philly.

I'd really like Karlsson to get a point so that he can be at a PPG on the season.

I also would like any opportunity to snag a higher draft pick. At this point 12 and 10 are likely pretty similar players, but any opportunity to improve their position (as well as their lottery odds) should be seen as a positive.

Draft position does matter. Each year produces a limited number of sure fire NHLers. After that, drafts are more of a crap shoot where the odds of picking a quality NHLer drop off precipitously.

Every draft has a significant drop off point. For this draft, it is around 10-12.
- SensFan25

You sound like Craig Button. Let's revisit this post in 5 years and see all 10-12 are sure fire NHLers and the rest are AHLers. Go back and look at the draft history. Sure there is always a "drop off" in terms of talent of 18 year older, but 5 years down the road half of those "sure fire" guys will be fighting for jobs in the AHL or Europe. Even teams who took guys relatively high are kicking themselves on who they passed up. Look at the Zibanejad pick. Nice high pick, but passed on Couturier, Schiefle, Hamilton, heck even Brandon Saad and John Gibson went in the 2nd round (and we took Puemple and Noesen before them).

People take prospect rankings and expert analysis way too seriously. Only player in this draft that is a sure thing is Austin Matthews. The rest will have to be developed right in the correct environment. It's the scouting staffs job to select the player who they feel will do that best in their system.

Picking 9th is next to no different that picking 12th. Sure there will be some prospects that you might miss out on that would have been nice to have at the time (most of those this year are in the top 3, which we are unlikely to get anyway), but it doesn't mean the guy you'll pick will amount to nothing.

Stop worrying about something that really doesn't need to be worried about. If we were in the running (realistically) for the 1st overall pick, then complaining about winning might be more reasonable.

Terrible D by Harpur on that goal. Take the body

They need blue line cameras full time

Why are you guys complaining? Didn't you guys pick Karlsson at 15th? I heard he's pretty good...

Why are you guys complaining? Didn't you guys pick Karlsson at 15th? I heard he's pretty good...
- 6ringslowe

Nah. Would have been better off bombing and drafting Schenn, Teubert, or Myers. Or even moving up one spot and grabbing the ever dominate Zach Boychuck at 14.

Higher the pick always equals the best player, even after the top 5.

Nah. Would have been better off bombing and drafting Schenn, Teubert, or Myers. Or even moving up one spot and grabbing the ever dominate Zach Boychuck at 14.

Higher the pick always equals the best player, even after the top 5.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

While I see the point you're making, you seem to be taking it to the extreme and arguing the other side of the coin that you're criticizing.

I don't think it's unreasonable to simply prefer drafting 10th over 12th.

Nah. Would have been better off bombing and drafting Schenn, Teubert, or Myers. Or even moving up one spot and grabbing the ever dominate Zach Boychuck at 14.

Higher the pick always equals the best player, even after the top 5.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Not every 1st mid round pick turns out to be a beast like Karlsson, just sayin.

It is a real shame that the sens only seem to care about the last few weeks of the season rather than the season as a whole.

Why are you guys complaining? Didn't you guys pick Karlsson at 15th? I heard he's pretty good...
- 6ringslowe

Why do Oiler fans ever Complain? They had prime Gretzky, 3 first overall picks and now McJesus

While I see the point you're making, you seem to be taking it to the extreme and arguing the other side of the coin that you're criticizing.

I don't think it's unreasonable to simply prefer drafting 10th over 12th.
- david22

Call my side of the argument extreme, fair enough. But to me, rooting against your team on a nightly basis purely to fall in the draft a slot or two is extreme in itself. Makes sense if your in the running for 1st overall, but we aren't. Picking 10th or 12th, doesn't make a huge difference. Having a 5% chance over a 3% chance of winning the lottery does't make a whole lot of difference. I just find it comical. If you want to just bomb and draft the top ranked prospect, and develop absolutely no one outside the 1st round, go cheer for Edmonton.

Not every 1st mid round pick turns out to be a beast like Karlsson, just sayin.

It is a real shame that the sens only seem to care about the last few weeks of the season rather than the season as a whole.
- karlsson

Neither were those guys I listed that were taken before him. Stamkos and Doughty were gems, the rest of the draft was up in the air.

Call my side of the argument extreme, fair enough. But to me, rooting against your team on a nightly basis purely to fall in the draft a slot or two is extreme in itself. Makes sense if your in the running for 1st overall, but we aren't. Picking 10th or 12th, doesn't make a huge difference. Having a 5% chance over a 3% chance of winning the lottery does't make a whole lot of difference. I just find it comical. If you want to just bomb and draft the top ranked prospect, and develop absolutely no one outside the 1st round, go cheer for Edmonton.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I don't want to 'just bomb and draft the top ranked prospect', but don't tell me that I should care about winning a completely meaningless game with a lineup full of AHLers.

If the game is meaningless, then losing is meaningless. If a draft pick is better, then it's better.

That being said, I despise the Bruins so it's sort of a 'no-lose' proposition anyways

I don't want to 'just bomb and draft the top ranked prospect', but don't tell me that I should care about winning a completely meaningless game with a lineup full of AHLers.

If the game is meaningless, then losing is meaningless. If a draft pick is better, then it's better.

That being said, I despise the Bruins so it's sort of a 'no-lose' proposition anyways
- Mr_Clean

Don't think I've told anyone to care about essentially meaningless games.

Personally I watch these games and look for positives (or negatives) going into next season. They win, they win, they lose, they lose. Who cares. Others seem to be watching purely to see this team lose and get a pick a little earlier. Each to their own I guess. Maybe I am just missing this great generational talent that will be available at 10 and not 12, who will also be overlooked by 9 other teams?

I've always felt the Ottawa Senators and their fans were the classiest bunch in all of Canada.

Especially if you beat the Bruins today.

Don't think I've told anyone to care about essentially meaningless games.

Personally I watch these games and look for positives (or negatives) going into next season. They win, they win, they loose, they loose. Who cares. Others seem to be watching purely to see this team loose and get a pick a little earlier. Each to their own I guess. Maybe I am just missing this great generational talent that will be available at 10 and not 12, who will also be overlooked by 9 other teams?
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I dunno, we did have to trade up 3 spots to get #65 at #15. I didn't know he was a generational talent at the time, but hey - that's why you pay a scouting staff.

And we are not talking half a season, we are talking one game.

And you certainly seem to care about meaningless games, meaningless enough to tell other people that they are wrong for rootin for a loss...

I dunno, we did have to trade up 3 spots to get #65 at #15. I didn't know he was a generational talent at the time, but hey - that's why you pay a scouting staff.

And we are not talking half a season, we are talking one game.

And you certainly seem to care about meaningless games, meaningless enough to tell other people that they are wrong for rootin for a loss...
- Mr_Clean

It's just not today man. I have not mentioned todays game once.

More a theme of the last month or so.