Tim Chiasson: San Jose Sharks Draft: Get A Pick Between 39 and 106 Think of today's thread like going to a 3D movie, only instead of putting the fancy fun goggles in the recycle bin when you leave, put them in when you enter.

So you're saying Ben Smith can also get us inthe 90 to 100 range?

So you're saying Ben Smith can also get us inthe 90 to 100 range?
- SJSharks39

Well, I was thinking more of the 104-106 range. But it still qualifies. I wouldn't want to give up Nieto to get in there and I doubt Barclay Goodrow would get in them in there.

Well, I was thinking more of the 104-106 range. But it still qualifies. I wouldn't want to give up Nieto to get in there and I doubt Barclay Goodrow would get in them in there.
- Tim Chiasson

Yeah i wouldn't want to move Nieto for a pick also. Maybe as part of a package for a goalie/defenseman though i'd be ok with.

I doubt Goodrow could fetch a 4th rder.

I can see Couture get you to a 3-10 range

I can see Couture get you to a 3-10 range
- SRam19

I would hope so, he comes with a lifetime supply of Kleenex.

Just in case anybody mssed it, Sommer will continue being our AHL bench boss.

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Great write up as always, Tim! I agree that we need another picking the top 100. And DW has recently said that he plans on adding another pick before the draft. I really don't us trading a random player (Wingles, Nieto, Smith) for a 2nd or 3rd round pick (I hate that McGinn trade even more right now). The two scenarios I see are either taking a bad contract back from a team (since we have the cap space) and receiving a high pick as compensation. Or trading one of our big name players and receiving a higher pick as part of the return. Just my 2 cents.

Just in case anybody mssed it, Sommer will continue being our AHL bench boss.

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- SJSharks39

GODDAMN IT. WHY???

It is my belief that the AHL coach should mimic the system of the big club. At least a little, so players can adapt and adjust easier during call up's. Something I feel Sommer never does when I watch the Worcester games.

I would hope so, he comes with a lifetime supply of Kleenex.
- Tim Chiasson

Nothing wrong with kleenex beats Crosby's lifetime supply of penpax tampons.

Kurz thinks the Sharks could be working on a blockbuster trade.

Kurz thinks the Sharks could be working on a blockbuster trade.
- Sharks_12

For?

Kurz thinks the Sharks could be working on a blockbuster trade.
- Sharks_12

I have a feeling DW will pull off a blockbuster trade, a smaller trade and sign 1-2 solid FA. In that Kurz article he said that this is a time for action.

Kurz thinks the Sharks could be working on a blockbuster trade.
- Sharks_12

Kurz is an idiot. Who just throws crap against the wall......he has no sources confirming this just his opinion so people will read his garbage. He's by far & by a longshot the worst csn bay area insider.

For?
- SRam19

Kurz is dumb

Kurz thinks the Sharks could be working on a blockbuster trade.
- Sharks_12

Unfortunately I actually think Kurz is right and Doug Wilson will once again do a U-Turn. Guy can never make up his mind really. First its win now, then it a 2-3 yr rebuild, now its win now again.

With that being said I have this bad feeling that Couture is scapegoat this time around. I personally think the guy is a good player, but was hamstrung by having to play with Marleau. It made Couture basically play two positions on defense.

The real blockbuster of course would be trading the real culprit in the Sharks post season failure and we all know who that is? Yes the real block buster would be to trade the leopard in the pack of wolfs that being #12

Kurz is an idiot. Who just throws crap against the wall......he has no sources confirming this just his opinion so people will read his garbage. He's by far & by a longshot the worst csn bay area insider.
- SJSharks39

I don't know where you get this from? the real idiot are people like David Pollak and the Bay Area Newsgroup who drink every once of Sharkaid sold to them by that used car salesman known as Doug Wilson.

Kurz is dumb
- SJSharks39

If there's no couture talk its useless to me

The players that hold the most value in a trade would be Pavs, Burns, Vlasic and Couture. And of that list it's probably safe to say that Pavs and Vlasic aren't going anywhere. Burns' value is at a high and Couture is 25, coming off his best statistic season and signed to a reasonable long term contract. Unfortunately Patty and Joe are too comfortable. They'll never waive.

The players that hold the most value in a trade would be Pavs, Burns, Vlasic and Couture. And of that list it's probably safe to say that Pavs and Vlasic aren't going anywhere. Burns' value is at a high and Couture is 25, coming off his best statistic season and signed to a reasonable long term contract. Unfortunately Patty and Joe are too comfortable. They'll never waive.
- Papa Joe19

I agree with you, unfortunately I think Wilson could trade Couture because Couture demands and wants his teammates to play hard all the time, and that just rubs Marleau the wrong way. Marleau plays when he wants too. I could see DW trading Pavs for the same reason. Trust me if anyone can screw up a team better then DW I don't know who it is.

I agree with you, unfortunately I think Wilson could trade Couture because Couture demands and wants his teammates to play hard all the time, and that just rubs Marleau the wrong way. Marleau plays when he wants too. I could see DW trading Pavs for the same reason. Trust me if anyone can screw up a team better then DW I don't know who it is.
- Sharkfan48

I doubt DW can top this ass hat

I don't know where you get this from? the real idiot are people like David Pollak and the Bay Area Newsgroup who drink every once of Sharkaid sold to them by that used car salesman known as Doug Wilson.
- Sharkfan48

Kurz and the dinosaur get info from the same locker room. During the offseason when there is no locker room access its mostly speculation. Maybe they have a source or two but they are parrots that repeat what they are told.

Tim, I think you're undervaluing Tommy Wingels. Only in a buyer's market would he be worth a 3rd rounder, and you've mentioned twice now that you think he should be dealt for a 3rd rounder. I think it's pretty well established that Wingels is a 2nd/3rd line tweener on most teams who will give you 30-40 points, play responsible defense and bring a strong forecheck in addition to his leadership abilities. He's on a fair-value contract in his prime and has a good reputation around the league.

This isn't the type of player you give up for a draft pick in the 3rd round. Your average 3rd rounder produces less than 0.1 pts/game in an NHL career. Wingels put up close to 0.5 pts/game last season with a very sustainable shooting percentage.

I'm genuinely curious as to why you would rather strip a quality depth player from the organization in exchange for a draft pick that is much more likely to never play a game in the NHL than to become a player comparable to Wingels. Not trying to be overly critical but I think you're overvaluing draft picks.

I have a feeling DW will pull off a blockbuster trade, a smaller trade and sign 1-2 solid FA. In that Kurz article he said that this is a time for action.
- Papa Joe19

I agree there will need to be a shakeup. Its time for less talk and more walk. Wilson is the king of propaganda.

Get the goal tender trade done.
Add a third to the draft.
Trade a core member for an upgrade on D, pick or no picks included.
Make a minor move for a bottom sixer.
Get Deboer some coaches.
Drop the puck...

Some random thoughts:

1) Would people be okay with splitting up Pavs and Jumbo in an attempt to win more faceoffs. We would start with the puck more increasing our puck possession time. The trade off might be some goals but then again anyone who has been on jumbos line produced and pavs is one heck of a player too.

2) I think Ben Smith has some hidden value. He was good in the faceoff circle and again could help retain more puck possession. He was our 2nd best faceoff guy last year in his 19 games as a shark. Increasing the offensive talent around him and starting him in the offensive zone could give us more depth scoring with retaining the puck in the offensive zone. Then again if he couldn't get depth scoring playing with John Scott, Mike Brown, and Goodrow who could.

3) With the talk of big changes from doug wilson, , does that mean we actually use free agency this year and sign guys that wont be burish 2.0? These next two weeks could get interesting