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Nope, Letang is #1 in points... 9 times out of 10, that wins it |
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Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer Joined: 08.21.2014
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Cool analysis. Post the formula next time tho. |
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Lash8
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Location: Chicago, IL Joined: 07.30.2012
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Do you take into consideration the percentage of games Byfuglien and Burns have played at forward? I would think that their stats while playing wing would be irrelevant to this analysis.
I'd also be interested in seeing your formula for compiling stats. I'd say it's incredibly relevant to this discussion. You're ranking a top 5 based on a formula that the rest of us aren't privy to. |
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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Jake Gardiner is hands down the worst defenseman in the NHL, and it isn't even close. If you watch him play, and I do almost every game you see a guy with sublime skating skills, with good hands but with zero hockey sense. In his own end he is constanly standing still, out of position, with one hand on his stick looking totally bewildered. |
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Do you take into consideration the percentage of games Byfuglien and Burns have played at forward? I would think that their stats while playing wing would be irrelevant to this analysis.
I'd also be interested in seeing your formula for compiling stats. I'd say it's incredibly relevant to this discussion. You're ranking a top 5 based on a formula that the rest of us aren't privy to. - Lash8
Well, I figured we would all have our preferences of what we value, so I thought mine would be irrelevant. It's not meant as a definitive list.
I didn't really take into consideration the whole Winger/Defenseman thing since it turned out that neither of those players ranked near the top. If one of them made the top of the list I would have. |
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Bigern4MVP
Calgary Flames |
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Location: ON Joined: 05.08.2014
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Jake Gardiner is hands down the worst defenseman in the NHL, and it isn't even close. If you watch him play, and I do almost every game you see a guy with sublime skating skills, with good hands but with zero hockey sense. In his own end he is constanly standing still, out of position, with one hand on his stick looking totally bewildered. - paulr
i don't like gardiner either, but try watching engallend all season
btw this new list is perfect and perfectly accurate brodie and gio for shared norris |
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Jake Gardiner is hands down the worst defenseman in the NHL, and it isn't even close. If you watch him play, and I do almost every game you see a guy with sublime skating skills, with good hands but with zero hockey sense. In his own end he is constanly standing still, out of position, with one hand on his stick looking totally bewildered. - paulr
This sounds like a stock answer from a TSN panel. However, you will find that no one on the TSN panel wants to learn about advanced stats or what they might mean and that people who are into them consider Jake Gardiner criminally underrated. |
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benjichronic
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Location: Wheaton, IL Joined: 09.22.2014
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Power Play Points
Yandle 26
Strait 25
Shattenkirk 24
Karlsson 22
Letang 22
I think you mean **streit** BIG difference... |
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I think you mean **streit** BIG difference... - benjichronic
On Latter. Nat thet bog. |
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benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Wheaton, IL Joined: 09.22.2014
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On Latter. Nat thet bog. - James_Tanner
What's that even mean? lol
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DoubleDown
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Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC Joined: 07.28.2006
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i cannot believe we've gotten to the point where the only thing that matters when evaluating players and teams is shot attempts and we now live in a world where Jake Gardiner is great and PK Subban is way overrated. |
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Hi you must really like the Canucks then since they currently have Subban hidden away in the OHL and Weber only made top 4 minutes recently because 3 of their top 4 were off with injuries at the same time.
Wow - I am Really impressed with them now!!!
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i cannot believe we've gotten to the point where the only thing that matters when evaluating players and teams is shot attempts and we now live in a world where Jake Gardiner is great and PK Subban is way overrated. - DoubleDown
this is one time in the history of history where CORSI helped a Leafs player look adequate.....LEAVE IT ALONE! |
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benjichronic
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Wheaton, IL Joined: 09.22.2014
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i cannot believe we've gotten to the point where the only thing that matters when evaluating players and teams is shot attempts and we now live in a world where Jake Gardiner is great and PK Subban is way overrated. - DoubleDown
And a world where jordie benn... yes jordie benn, is considered undervalued/underrated. That's like saying luke schenn is underrated...
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i cannot believe we've gotten to the point where the only thing that matters when evaluating players and teams is shot attempts and we now live in a world where Jake Gardiner is great and PK Subban is way overrated. - DoubleDown
Just because Jake Gardiner is massively underrated and PK isn't the best in the NHL doesn't mean that PK isn't 400X the player Gardiner is.
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And a world where jordie benn... yes jordie benn, is considered undervalued/underrated. That's like saying luke schenn is underrated... - benjichronic
But he quite clearly is underrated, as I think your post demonstrates. Again, it doesn't mean he's one of the best in the league, just that he's quietly alright. |
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SolidGoldBricks
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Location: Robidas Island, MI Joined: 10.30.2013
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i cannot believe we've gotten to the point where the only thing that matters when evaluating players and teams is shot attempts and we now live in a world where Jake Gardiner is great and PK Subban is way overrated. - DoubleDown
He said underrated, not great. He is rated very low that it could be said it's not that hard to be better than that.
Subban, Weber, Keith all don't make the top 5, but I think we've all seen them completely take control in big games. I like advanced stats to a point, but when they're saying a player like Brodie is better than Weber, I think there's something wrong there. Nothing against Brodie, but you can't discount the eye test... |
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Snowblind
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It's Doughty.
With honorable mentions to Subban, Keith, Suter, Weber and Giordano.
Karlsson is definitely the best offensively, but if you are nursing a 1-goal lead with a minute left and could pick any two defenseman in the world, does Karlsson even crack the top 100 on that list?
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Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 11.30.2009
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This sounds like a stock answer from a TSN panel. However, you will find that no one on the TSN panel wants to learn about advanced stats or what they might mean and that people who are into them consider Jake Gardiner criminally underrated. - James_Tanner
Have you actually watched him play?...or just looked at some (frank)ing graph?
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It's Doughty.
With honorable mentions to Subban, Keith, Suter, Weber and Giordano.
Karlsson is definitely the best offensively, but if you are nursing a 1-goal lead with a minute left and could pick any two defenseman in the world, does Karlsson even crack the top 100 on that list? - Snowblind
Yes he does, because when he's on the ice, his team generally doesn't need to play defense. I would rank Karlsson easy in the top ten of guys I'd want on the ice to protect a one goal lead.
You can make an argument that Subban and Weber are both elite defensemen, but I think Suter as a top ten NHL D is impossible to defend. |
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Have you actually watched him play?...or just looked at some (frank)ing graph? - Garnie
I think I've seen 95% of all games he's ever played. |
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ScotsonFire
Calgary Flames |
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Location: Edmonton, AB Joined: 11.18.2013
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It's an absolute pleasure to watch Giordano and Brodie playing together. While saying that, I'd live to see how they would do playing on a different team, in a different system, and vice versa for some of the other pairings in the league. |
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Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 11.30.2009
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i don't like gardiner either, but try watching engallend all season
btw this new list is perfect and perfectly accurate brodie and gio for shared norris - Bigern4MVP
At least Engelland is good at 1 part of the game..even if it is dropping the gloves...still ahead of Gard's |
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Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 11.30.2009
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I think I've seen 95% of all games he's ever played. - James_Tanner
he's certainly not underrated. |
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