John Jaeckel: Tallon Vs. Bowman, Settled Finally. Sort Of.

That was a fun read JJ. Nothing to add to it.

Great write up. Very interesting. Bowman does need to grow some balls and try to get a piece to add to this team.

John Jaeckel: Tallon Vs. Bowman, Settled Finally. Sort Of.
- John Jaeckel

Wow, somebody just finished his doctoral thesis.

All kidding aside, nice job.

Fantastic read.

John Jaeckel: Tallon Vs. Bowman, Settled Finally. Sort Of.
- John Jaeckel

John, you forgot to mention that Stan Bowman also forgot to submit the paperwork for qualifying offers on four players right after the cup win that allowed them to become restricted free agents. I remember this being blamed on Dale Tallon - but this was incorrect as Tallon was not involved with the day to day paperwork of the organ-I-zation.

Your best JJ. A treat to read.

>Bravo
>Shows how many things need to go right today to win a Cup, let alone 2 in 4 years

John Jaeckel: Tallon Vs. Bowman, Settled Finally. Sort Of.
- John Jaeckel

Very good.

Great blog, well written.

Great read JJ.

John, you forgot to mention that Stan Bowman also forgot to submit the paperwork for qualifying offers on four players right after the cup win that allowed them to become restricted free agents. I remember this being blamed on Dale Tallon - but this was incorrect as Tallon was not involved with the day to day paperwork of the organ-I-zation.
- dahawks8819

Another huge factor in all this is ownership. If WWW is still alive are there any cups?

Another huge factor in all this is ownership. If WWW is still alive are there any cups?
- paulr

No. His mantra was Cups cost too much money. Pulford would still have influence, too.

I've discussed this topic, among others, with my hardcore family members (some conversations lead to silent treatments and gritted teeth - lol) ad nauseum. Fan.tas.tic write up, JJ!

Excellent history lesson, JJ.

Hey, didn't Marc Bergevin have some say in getting Q in the 'Hawks organization?

Another huge factor in all this is ownership. If WWW is still alive are there any cups?
- paulr

No, same holds true if Peter took over for dollar Bill instead of Rocky.

Not only that, the UC would still be 75% empty, no games on TV, no ambassadors (get well Stosh!), no Pat Foley and the only hockey worthwhile here would still be in Rosemont.

A couple of things.

Barker was a first round draft choice.

I think Hjalmarsson deserves a little more credit than you give him in 2010. He was Campbell's partner for most of the season.

Fantastic read.
- mrpaulish

Don't lie. You just look at the pictures.

Hi Mr. P

No, same holds true if Peter took over for dollar Bill instead of Rocky.

Not only that, the UC would still be 75% empty, no games on TV, no ambassadors (get well Stosh!), no Pat Foley and the only hockey worthwhile here would still be in Rosemont.
- blackhawk24

And for the last points allot of that credit goes to McDonough.

John, you forgot to mention that Stan Bowman also forgot to submit the paperwork for qualifying offers on four players right after the cup win that allowed them to become restricted free agents. I remember this being blamed on Dale Tallon - but this was incorrect as Tallon was not involved with the day to day paperwork of the organ-I-zation.
- dahawks8819

The contract snafu was prior to that season. That was the reason we all knew it was going to be the only chance that particular team would have a shot.

Overall a good read and some great insight on some of the other people involved in constructing this team.

One statement I don't really agree with is this one:

Bowman has shown himself to be highly cautious when it comes to trades—where Tallon was fearless to a fault. Some might say discretion is the better part of valor. But Tallon’s record in trades (at least in Chicago) was also remarkable.


How was Tallon fearless when it came to trades?

Getting Marty Havlat, who had one more year on his deal and Ottawa didn't think they could resign, for Mark Bell was a great move but I wouldn't call it fearless.

While great trades for the Hawks, Sharp for Ellison and Versteeg for Bochenski don't really fall under that umbrella either as none of these players were really established NHL'ers.

Possibly Ruutuu for Ladd but I believe when Ruutuu was traded he wasn't getting top 6 minutes, was no longer the face of the franchise and was coming off the second knee injury of his career (could be wrong about that last part but pretty sure that was the case).

Don't get me wrong, Tallon definitely made some great trades but I think it's debatable how much he stood to lose. He did a great job of assembling the core and I think Stan has done a decent job of identifying key members of it and keeping them together.

John Jaeckel: Tallon Vs. Bowman, Settled Finally. Sort Of.
- John Jaeckel

Awesome analysis! For what its worth, Mike Smith also had some of the worst trades and draft picks I have ever seen compared to Dale but of course that is not within the scope of the debate regarding who gets the lion's share of credit for the two cups. The thing I always admired about Tallon was his ability to recognize and correct his mistakes (e.g., Aucoin). Tallon was very aggressive as a GM and still is whereas Stan Bowman is overly cautious in the mold of Pulford. For my money I would take Tallon. In any case, this was a very thoughtful analysis which I thoroughly enjoyed! Thanks JJ.

Overall a good read and some great insight on some of the other people involved in constructing this team.

One statement I don't really agree with is this one:

Bowman has shown himself to be highly cautious when it comes to trades—where Tallon was fearless to a fault. Some might say discretion is the better part of valor. But Tallon’s record in trades (at least in Chicago) was also remarkable.


How was Tallon fearless when it came to trades?

Getting Marty Havlat, who had one more year on his deal and Ottawa didn't think they could resign, for Mark Bell was a great move but I wouldn't call it fearless.

While great trades for the Hawks, Sharp for Ellison and Versteeg for Bochenski don't really fall under that umbrella either as none of these players were really established NHL'ers.

Possibly Ruutuu for Ladd but I believe when Ruutuu was traded he wasn't getting top 6 minutes, was no longer the face of the franchise and was coming off the second knee injury of his career (could be wrong about that last part but pretty sure that was the case).

Don't get me wrong, Tallon definitely made some great trades but I think it's debatable how much he stood to lose. He did a great job of assembling the core and I think Stan has done a decent job of identifying key members of it and keeping them together.
- HawkintheD

Good points! Don't forget Rocky and McD's contributions, they were vital to the well being and success of the team.