Colin Dambrauskas: Calgary Flames Keep Rolling...Goalie Controversy?

Maybe Nashville as a destination for Ramo? He'd be an upgrade on their back-up situation and a great stop-gap until Rinne is back in the line up. What have they got that the Flames could use?

I don't know that I would characterize it as giving up on Corban Knight as I would characterize it as a chance to upgrade a player...

Corban was serviceable, he is looking like a Stephane Yelle type player right now though. He is solid in the dot, plays a two way game, but isn't a guy that lit the lamp on a tremendously regular basis in the AHL. Certainly not a top six player.

Reports on Shore have his upside at just that, a top 6 player. With the Flames depth at centre, he should be moved to the wing, and if he can keep up scoring touch, could be a big boost on the wing of Bennett in the next season or two. His size also has to be considered a contributing factor to the trade, as Burke and Treliving like big bodied players and need to surround smaller guys like Johnny Hockey and Bennett with a little beef.

The Flames clearly seem to have received the better player in the trade, but got the guy with less contractual flexibility... He's gonna have to up the conditioning in the A before he comes back up, and I would wager it will take a significant injury in the forward ranks, or a big hot streak in the minors before they bring him up again.

If nothing else, Shore represents an asset with more value than Knight, so if they need to swing a deadline deal, he will bring more of a return than Corban at this stage.

Maybe Nashville as a destination for Ramo? He'd be an upgrade on their back-up situation and a great stop-gap until Rinne is back in the line up. What have they got that the Flames could use?
- salumba

Draft picks, and if the Flames are smart, they ask for a 2016 or 2017 pick... Nashville's proving that as Rinne goes, so too do they, and he is getting up there in age these days. Plan for the days when he can't fill that crease as effectively and get your pick there instead of 2015.

Maybe Nashville as a destination for Ramo? He'd be an upgrade on their back-up situation and a great stop-gap until Rinne is back in the line up. What have they got that the Flames could use?
- salumba

Ramo isn't really much of an upgrade over Hutton if he is at all. There really shouldn't be a controversy. Send Ortio back down. He's been great for 4 games but both Hiller and Ramo have looked as good or better for stretches this year. I don't really see much of a market for Ramo or Hiller this year and they're better off finishing the year with both of them.

Colin Dambrauskas: Calgary Flames Keep Rolling...Goalie Controversy?
- Colin Dambrauskas

This could turn into a good thing like Berra or go the other way. We all seen Ramo in the last part of the season play some spectacular hockey, even this season he has performed well. Hiller has his moments too but the soft goals he lets in worries me. Ortio will be a #1 for the flames very soon if this is how he is going to continue to play, but who us going to be his backup? As for dealing a goalie..draft picks....what else? As for any other deals, a solid #5 veteran D-man to mentor a rookie next season would be awesome. I still have hopes for Baertschi but trading him with Glenx might fetch something. Go Flames Go

*cough* kipper *cough*
Hiller=Turek
January=January

Anyways I am super excited for TSpoon to return. He seems like a legit 2nd line D and we needed a Regehr for a while.

If it pans flip Wideman at the td when stock is high.

This could turn into a good thing like Berra or go the other way. We all seen Ramo in the last part of the season play some spectacular hockey, even this season he has performed well. Hiller has his moments too but the soft goals he lets in worries me. Ortio will be a #1 for the flames very soon if this is how he is going to continue to play, but who us going to be his backup? As for dealing a goalie..draft picks....what else? As for any other deals, a solid #5 veteran D-man to mentor a rookie next season would be awesome. I still have hopes for Baertschi but trading him with Glenx might fetch something. Go Flames Go
- FlamesNOTLames

Ramo is so much better than Hiller not to mention Berra. Keep Ramo, keep 3 goalies in case of injury, trade one next month if they fall out of the race. Preferably Ramo for the stretch. Hiller is the known quantity of the 3, flip him if need be

Parkova and Sharapova is an amazing tennis match. Don't ask me what the score is though

Ramo isn't really much of an upgrade over Hutton if he is at all. There really shouldn't be a controversy. Send Ortio back down. He's been great for 4 games but both Hiller and Ramo have looked as good or better for stretches this year. I don't really see much of a market for Ramo or Hiller this year and they're better off finishing the year with both of them.
- Hunkulese

I disagree, simply because Ramo is a UFA next year, so if there is an opportunity to extract some value for him, the Flames need to take advantage. Ortio has shown enough against some elite competition, he can fill the cage on a frequent enough basis this year, at worst, he will play at Ramo's level, at best, he has shown he can shutdown the big teams in the west.

Parkova and Sharapova is an amazing tennis match. Don't ask me what the score is though
- FLflames34

I wouldn't worry about anyone asking you the score in the womens tennis match.....because this is a hockey site!

I disagree, simply because Ramo is a UFA next year, so if there is an opportunity to extract some value for him, the Flames need to take advantage. Ortio has shown enough against some elite competition, he can fill the cage on a frequent enough basis this year, at worst, he will play at Ramo's level, at best, he has shown he can shutdown the big teams in the west.
- rmull905

Would you not get a better trade for Hiller with one more yr of team control? Not to mention you can try to resign Ramo at the same price he is at now and platoon the 2 Finns

I wouldn't worry about anyone asking you the score in the womens tennis match.....because this is a hockey site!
- TandA4Flames

Hot tall Russian women grunting is definitely more entertaining that most tv shows
Edit: or a Leafs game

get rid of hiller his soft goals piss me off

I disagree, simply because Ramo is a UFA next year, so if there is an opportunity to extract some value for him, the Flames need to take advantage. Ortio has shown enough against some elite competition, he can fill the cage on a frequent enough basis this year, at worst, he will play at Ramo's level, at best, he has shown he can shutdown the big teams in the west.
- rmull905

I would assume BT has already had preliminary contract discussions with Ramo's agent. If he wants to stay and a good offer comes in for Hiller, trade Hiller, and resign Ramo.

I've said it before, I'm not comfortable that Hiller will want to stay beyond his contract (next season) so in another year, we may only have Ortio with no legit BU. Sign Ramo for another 3years, by then we will know if Gillies is ready. Also, Hiller should bring a better return. Dubnyk is having a strong year and all he got was a 3rd from a desperate team. It makes sense to me.

Would you not get a better trade for Hiller with one more yr of team control? Not to mention you can try to resign Ramo at the same price he is at now and platoon the 2 Finns
- FLflames34

I would prefer to keep ramo too. Hiller has been good but he can let in a soft goal almost once a game. We already know hillers ceiling. We don't know ramo's yet. In saying that there should be no rush to make a trade. Ortio has looked amazing but it has only been a few games. Remember the beginning of this season how great hiller and ramo played. It really is a tough call to make. It wouldbe a shame if ramo walked at the end of the year. I would hate to be Bt right now

Hot tall Russian women grunting is definitely more entertaining that most tv shows
Edit: or a Leafs game
- FLflames34

I have internet for that

I would prefer to keep ramo too. Hiller has been good but he can let in a soft goal almost once a game. We already know hillers ceiling. We don't know ramo's yet. In saying that there should be no rush to make a trade. Ortio has looked amazing but it has only been a few games. Remember the beginning of this season how great hiller and ramo played. It really is a tough call to make. It wouldbe a shame if ramo walked at the end of the year. I would hate to be Bt right now
- johnnybanana

My preference is as I stated, keep Ramo. That said, if a great deal comes along for either one make the deal that brings the better return. Also, Hiller could be offloaded in the summer.

I have internet for that
- TandA4Flames

The illusion of not being used up is always a nice change!

Would you not get a better trade for Hiller with one more yr of team control? Not to mention you can try to resign Ramo at the same price he is at now and platoon the 2 Finns
- FLflames34

You are
A) assuming you can re-sign Ramo - he may earn more overseas
B) assuming two unproven quantities at the NHL is what you want for a playoff run. I would rather chance Hiller in the playoffs than Ramo

It is impossible to say that Ramo is better than Hiller, it just is. Hiller was a HUGE reason the Flames got off to a good start this year, the rotation helped, but he was lights out for a good chunk of the start of the season. Ramo has played far fewer NHL games than Hiller, so to say he is better is not proven. Ramo has let in some softies this year as well, neither he nor Hiller are perfect #1 options, both have had great runs and some horrible games.

Ortio is not a lock either, but I would rather see him fight for games in place of Ramo right now, he is younger and is showing maturity and a great compete level and the team is rallying around him.

I would assume BT has already had preliminary contract discussions with Ramo's agent. If he wants to stay and a good offer comes in for Hiller, trade Hiller, and resign Ramo.

I've said it before, I'm not comfortable that Hiller will want to stay beyond his contract (next season) so in another year, we may only have Ortio with no legit BU. Sign Ramo for another 3years, by then we will know if Gillies is ready. Also, Hiller should bring a better return. Dubnyk is having a strong year and all he got was a 3rd from a desperate team. It makes sense to me.
- TandA4Flames

There are plenty of backup options every year in the free agency pool. Doubtful Hiller stays, I agree, but you can trade him this year, lose out on Ramo and be set back a year early, or you can move Ramo, work with Hiller throughout the off-season and all of next year and decide by the deadline if there is a reasonable chance of him sticking around. Far too risky to move a guy under control when you might need a starter next year, never mind a backup!

You are
A) assuming you can re-sign Ramo - he may earn more overseas
B) assuming two unproven quantities at the NHL is what you want for a playoff run. I would rather chance Hiller in the playoffs than Ramo

It is impossible to say that Ramo is better than Hiller, it just is. Hiller was a HUGE reason the Flames got off to a good start this year, the rotation helped, but he was lights out for a good chunk of the start of the season. Ramo has played far fewer NHL games than Hiller, so to say he is better is not proven. Ramo has let in some softies this year as well, neither he nor Hiller are perfect #1 options, both have had great runs and some horrible games.

Ortio is not a lock either, but I would rather see him fight for games in place of Ramo right now, he is younger and is showing maturity and a great compete level and the team is rallying around him.
- rmull905

Fair enough, but I disagree. Hiller with another yr of control gets a better return. Ramo is a fairly proven quantity (starter and well in KHL, streaky but often efficient goalie in NHL). I'd rather roll the dice on the risk while able to burden it as a rebuilding team. Sure he would re-sign for a very modest raise

get rid of hiller his soft goals piss me off
- monymonymony

Both guys have had horrible games this year:

Ramo - 4 goals allowed vs Jersey and Buffalo
Hiller - 4 goals allowed vs Carolina and 6 vs Florida

Spring to mind.

If you guys think Hiller allows softies, how much do you think other teams are going to look to acquire him with another season at 4.5 MM cap hit?

Ramo's contract is more tradeable, he is a capable backup but has not proven anything as an NHL starter as yet, move him, keep Orts up and let he and Hiller scrap it out for the rest of the season. If Ortio dominates, you have another trade chip in Hiller in the off-season, and you can sign an NHL vet then (or sign Ramo as a FA)

If I'm the GM of the Flames, I'd do something along the lines of make it known around the league that you've got a logjam in between the pipes, and you've got variety so you should be a viable trade partner for a lot of teams looking for a change in net.

If I'm the GM of the Flames, I'd do something along the lines of make it known around the league that you've got a logjam in between the pipes, and you've got variety so you should be a viable trade partner for a lot of teams looking for a change in net.
- LotekLeafs

Nice ass