Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers Beat Buffalo, Phantoms, Prospect Updates and More

Thanks Bill. Typical Flyers play last night; they either sit back with a lead or get behind early, and try to catch up later. Either way, they refuse to put a full 60 minute game together. The forwards get tired in the D zone, and they dump the puck for a line change in the neutral zone, because they forget about the O zone. Or, they sit at their blue line waiting for an outlet pass, and let the D fend for themselves. Take your pick. Then, everyone complains that the D stinks, or we need a new goalie. If your forwards can't play a two way game, then of course your D, and goalie look bad. I'm not saying that the D is the best, but you cover your teammates back, if he gets into trouble.
Matt Read says that his problem has been his ankle. Is that his fault or the team's fault for letting him play?
Stortini, and Rosehill on the same line, and they both score? Man, if they could not take dumb penalties, and score, I say bring them up...lol.

Bill, If we pretend this is Fantasy land and every defenceman on this team was tradable. Who would you trade for assets and who would you keep to play with the Prospects when they are ready?

Sell. Sell. Sell.

Flyers 2015 first round pick, Sean Couturier, prospect (say Hagg), and next year's 2nd round pick for the 2nd overall 2015 pick.

Bill, If we pretend this is Fantasy land and every defenceman on this team was tradable. Who would you trade for assets and who would you keep to play with the Prospects when they are ready?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Trade them all for a bowl of ice cream

Trade them all for a bowl of ice cream
- funmaster18

What happens if your lactose intolerant?

Sell. Sell. Sell.

Flyers 2015 first round pick, Sean Couturier, prospect (say Hagg), and next year's 2nd round pick for the 2nd overall 2015 pick.
- redcoat75

Absolutely not. That would be a terrible trade. Eichel isn't Lindros.... and, as great as 88 was, even HE wasn't worth the king's ransom when all things were considered (although he came pretty damn close).

Thanks Bill. Typical Flyers play last night; they either sit back with a lead or get behind early, and try to catch up later. Either way, they refuse to put a full 60 minute game together. The forwards get tired in the D zone, and they dump the puck for a line change in the neutral zone, because they forget about the O zone. Or, they sit at their blue line waiting for an outlet pass, and let the D fend for themselves. Take your pick. Then, everyone complains that the D stinks, or we need a new goalie. If your forwards can't play a two way game, then of course your D, and goalie look bad. I'm not saying that the D is the best, but you cover your teammates back, if he gets into trouble.
Matt Read says that his problem has been his ankle. Is that his fault or the team's fault for letting him play?
Stortini, and Rosehill on the same line, and they both score? Man, if they could not take dumb penalties, and score, I say bring them up...lol.
- OrangeAndBlack1

i have to say this is the one time the fan base is okay with our goal tending. we need better skaters at D and at forward for sure.

Sell. Sell. Sell.

Flyers 2015 first round pick, Sean Couturier, prospect (say Hagg), and next year's 2nd round pick for the 2nd overall 2015 pick.
- redcoat75

we dont need to trade our pick. we will/should get a very good player anywhere in the top 10 in this draft.
moving some pieces for more picks in the second round is more likely.

Absolutely not. That would be a terrible trade. Eichel isn't Lindros.... and, as great as 88 was, even HE wasn't worth the king's ransom when all things were considered (although he came pretty damn close).
- bmeltzer

THe Flyers were a great team that built around Lindros. They would then have something akin, if not entirely close to Crosby/Malkin with Giroux/Eichel. I also believe that Scott Laughton will be able to fill Couturier's shoes as a third line center and then some. A team needs elite centers more than wings. Giroux-Eichel-Laughton as your center would be pretty formidable.

Right now the Flyers have too many mediocre centers and you would eventually have to trade one of those centers anyway. Why not take a chance at getting something elite?

What happens if your lactose intolerant?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Theb eating the ice cream won't feel much different than watching the flyers this year

THe Flyers were a great team that built around Lindros. They would then have something akin, if not entirely close to Crosby/Malkin with Giroux/Eichel. I also believe that Scott Laughton will be able to fill Couturier's shoes as a third line center and then some. A team needs elite centers more than wings. Giroux-Eichel-Laughton as your center would be pretty formidable.

Right now the Flyers have too many mediocre centers and you would eventually have to trade one of those centers anyway. Why not take a chance at getting something elite?
- redcoat75

Yeah, but whoever is getting the 2nd overall pick is not giving that up.

Face it, if it's Buffalo, Florida, or Arizona--they're going to keep Eichel just because face value. They need to build a brand to keep people in the seats.

THe Flyers were a great team that built around Lindros. They would then have something akin, if not entirely close to Crosby/Malkin with Giroux/Eichel. I also believe that Scott Laughton will be able to fill Couturier's shoes as a third line center and then some. A team needs elite centers more than wings. Giroux-Eichel-Laughton as your center would be pretty formidable.

Right now the Flyers have too many mediocre centers and you would eventually have to trade one of those centers anyway. Why not take a chance at getting something elite?
- redcoat75

The Flyers had a deep farm system at the time of the Lindros trade -- Forsberg, Renberg, Butsayev (then considered a high-end prospect, though it didn't pan out in the NHL) all waiting in the wings. Brind'Amour was 22 years old. Recchi was 24 years old. Ricci was 20 years old. Kevin Dineen was in his prime. Even the chronically underachieving Mark Pederson was 24 and coming off a strong second half of the 1991-92 season (13 goals, 35 points in the second half after a terrible first half).

Today's Flyers do not have that sort of forward depth to build around or to dip into to package for a major trade.

Sell. Sell. Sell.

Flyers 2015 first round pick, Sean Couturier, prospect (say Hagg), and next year's 2nd round pick for the 2nd overall 2015 pick.
- redcoat75

no

THe Flyers were a great team that built around Lindros. They would then have something akin, if not entirely close to Crosby/Malkin with Giroux/Eichel. I also believe that Scott Laughton will be able to fill Couturier's shoes as a third line center and then some. A team needs elite centers more than wings. Giroux-Eichel-Laughton as your center would be pretty formidable.

Right now the Flyers have too many mediocre centers and you would eventually have to trade one of those centers anyway. Why not take a chance at getting something elite?
- redcoat75

And I like Lindros and all but at the end of the day I think I'd pick P.Forsberg over Lindros. At the end of the day the Nordiques got the better end of the trade. They got more out of Forsberg than we did out of Lindros + more assets

Yeah, but whoever is getting the 2nd overall pick is not giving that up.

Face it, if it's Buffalo, Florida, or Arizona--they're going to keep Eichel just because face value. They need to build a brand to keep people in the seats.
- KGBflyers10

Edmonton more than likely.

But you are probably correct. The Flyers are going to go on a tear after the deadline that destroys their draft position anyway. That is fine because I would rather see the team 5 points out of a playoff spot and know that they were almost able to overcome the mountain in front of them with the tools they have. A losing mentality is a tough thing to break. So while I am not in favor of tanking. The 6th overall pick where they currently sit will likely turn into 11th or 12th by the end of the season. That wouldn't be enough to get the deal done. I don't know what is so special about the 6-10 players that everyone thinks they are going to be such game changers.

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Flyers Beat Buffalo, Phantoms, Prospect Updates and More
- bmeltzer

Bill do you think the flyers sign Parks? what about luuko?

any chance you can give an in depth update on some obscure late round prospects?

THe Flyers were a great team that built around Lindros. They would then have something akin, if not entirely close to Crosby/Malkin with Giroux/Eichel. I also believe that Scott Laughton will be able to fill Couturier's shoes as a third line center and then some. A team needs elite centers more than wings. Giroux-Eichel-Laughton as your center would be pretty formidable.

Right now the Flyers have too many mediocre centers and you would eventually have to trade one of those centers anyway. Why not take a chance at getting something elite?
- redcoat75

even if that could happen, and it wont, you would have 15 or 16 million per year tied up in two centers. im sure eichel is going to command a huge salary.

no
- ob18

Oh this shtick again.

Absolutely not. That would be a terrible trade. Eichel isn't Lindros.... and, as great as 88 was, even HE wasn't worth the king's ransom when all things were considered (although he came pretty damn close).
- bmeltzer

take Peter out of that trade and I wouldn't bat an eye but including Peter in that deal makes it an ouch.....not that I didn't LOVE watching Eric play

Sell. Sell. Sell.

Flyers 2015 first round pick, Sean Couturier, prospect (say Hagg), and next year's 2nd round pick for the 2nd overall 2015 pick.
- redcoat75

Our 1st rounder, Coots, and Lance Armstrong's lost testicle for the 2nd overall.

Then, we flip the 2nd overall and Schenn, Ghost, the Shroud of Turin, Homer's wrecked bike, Giroux's bloody sock, Hagg, and a Rolex watch for the 1st overall and that team's 3rd rounder.

McDavid welcome to Philly.

even if that could happen, and it wont, you would have 15 or 16 million per year tied up in two centers. im sure eichel is going to command a huge salary.
- Briere

Giroux isn't going to be around forever. And his salary:cap ratio will drop with each progressive year. Eichel or McDavid wont make much more than 3 million - including bonuses their first three years.

Oh this shtick again.
- redcoat75

what shtick is that? I would chime in with a resounding no as well. that is just too much. they should be drafting around 7th-10th. giving up basically 2 high first round picks and a second is a lot. I'd sooner just take the best available where they draft. If anything I would like to see them move veterans for additional picks not move young players or picks

The Flyers had a deep farm system at the time of the Lindros trade -- Forsberg, Renberg, Butsayev (then considered a high-end prospect, though it didn't pan out in the NHL) all waiting in the wings. Brind'Amour was 22 years old. Recchi was 24 years old. Ricci was 20 years old. Kevin Dineen was in his prime. Even the chronically underachieving Mark Pederson was 24 and coming off a strong second half of the 1991-92 season (13 goals, 35 points in the second half after a terrible first half).

Today's Flyers do not have that sort of forward depth to build around or to dip into to package for a major trade.
- bmeltzer

I think people also have to consider where the Flyers were. I was young at the time so I may be off a year or so, but prior to the Lindros trade they had missed the playoffs four years in a row?

The Flyers needed a major shake-up. They needed star power. A guy who could help them rebuild their brand (and also pay for a new arena). Lindros fit the criteria in every single way.

I will only accept a losing season if we get either McDavid, that US defenseman, Eichel, or Mitch Marner.