Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Giroux, Raffl, LOD, Forsberg, Quick Hits

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Giroux, Raffl, LOD, Forsberg, Quick Hits
- bmeltzer

Been watching all the Legion highlights, man, what a dominant line that was. They got the puck in the zone and started cycling, the Flyers goalie could go get a beer and take a nap.

It's awesome Renberg will be there for the induction night.

Forsberg is probably my 2nd favorite player all-time behind Lindros. They both played a physical game and their skills were both probabaly better than any player playing in this current era, they had the ability to single handedly dominate an entire shift or game. They are top 10 all-time talents in my book. That era of the 90's was just amazing to live through. Lindros, LeClair, Forsberg, Jagr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Sakic, Hasek, Selanne, Kariya, Hull, etc. etc.

Excellent write up as usual Bill...my fiance bought me tickets for Thursday's game and I am really psyched to see Big E and Johnny get inducted into the Flyers Hall of Fame. If you ask me, both of them deserve to be in the NHL Hall as well. Those guys would probably be upgrades over the current 2nd/3rd lines of the Flyers, even considering they're older and broken down

Been watching all the Legion highlights, man, what a dominant line that was. They got the puck in the zone and started cycling, the Flyers goalie could go get a beer and take a nap.

It's awesome Renberg will be there for the induction night.
- Jsaquella

I think their goalies probably did this, hence the reason they never won the Cup

can we suit up the Doom line as our 4th line

As exciting a combination as they were.. Eric Lindros and John Leclair are quickly gaining company in that dominant line category.

This combo of G and Voracek has been elite pretty much since they have been combined. G was a Hart finalist last season, and has actually statistically been better so far this season, but is being over-shadowed by Voracek. As of this blog they are #1 and #3 in point per game average this season. Voracek, at a ferocious scoring clip, is on pace for 136 points this season, and G not far behind at a 107 point pace.

I know some have wanted them split, but I dont know how you can mess with that..

It's kind of incredible how much I like Forsberg based on his short stint here. He must be a god in Colorado/Sweden.

I hope we get video of the ceremony

As exciting a combination as they were.. Eric Lindros and John Leclair are quickly gaining company in that dominant line category.

This combo of G and Voracek has been elite pretty much since they have been combined. G was a Hart finalist last season, and has actually statistically been better so far this season, but is being over-shadowed by Voracek. As of this blog they are #1 and #3 in point per game average this season. Voracek, at a ferocious scoring clip, is on pace for 136 points this season, and G not far behind at a 107 point pace.

I know some have wanted them split, but I dont know how you can mess with that..
- jak521

I understand the concept of breaking them up. Try and get more balance, but they are so dominant that I don't think you can do it.
I was just looking at ice time, Voracek is 58th in the NHL in ice time among forwards. I know that is partly because he doesn't see much PK time, but if I'm Berube I would start giving him a little more ice time. I would like to see him getting north of 20 minutes a game. Especially when there aren't back to back games. Giving him a few extra shifts could make a huge difference. It seems like he's generating quality scoring chances every time he's on the ice.

It's kind of incredible how much I like Forsberg based on his short stint here. He must be a god in Colorado/Sweden.
- Feanor

My favorite player of all time.. I still wear #21 to this day. Wore that number in every sport.

As exciting a combination as they were.. Eric Lindros and John Leclair are quickly gaining company in that dominant line category.

This combo of G and Voracek has been elite pretty much since they have been combined. G was a Hart finalist last season, and has actually statistically been better so far this season, but is being over-shadowed by Voracek. As of this blog they are #1 and #3 in point per game average this season. Voracek, at a ferocious scoring clip, is on pace for 136 points this season, and G not far behind at a 107 point pace.

I know some have wanted them split, but I dont know how you can mess with that..
- jak521

They better not split them up, or the Flyers will be in much worse shape than they already are

I understand the concept of breaking them up. Try and get more balance, but they are so dominant that I don't think you can do it.
I was just looking at ice time, Voracek is 58th in the NHL in ice time among forwards. I know that is partly because he doesn't see much PK time, but if I'm Berube I would start giving him a little more ice time. I would like to see him getting north of 20 minutes a game. Especially when there aren't back to back games.
- PLindbergh31

We saw glimpses the past two seasons of what he was capable of... Especially the lock-out shortened season. This year he literally is jaw dropping. Some people wanna compare him to Jagr, some people saw he has a Forsberg like capability of keeping the puck on his stick and drawing people.. I think he is his own person. IF only he would shoot just a LITTLE bit more. So freaking dominant. His size, strength, skate, IQ.... just the total package

We saw glimpses the past two seasons of what he was capable of... Especially the lock-out shortened season. This year he literally is jaw dropping. Some people wanna compare him to Jagr, some people saw he has a Forsberg like capability of keeping the puck on his stick and drawing people.. I think he is his own person. IF only he would shoot just a LITTLE bit more. So freaking dominant. His size, strength, skate, IQ.... just the total package
- jak521

He's been a joy to watch. I said the other day, even if the Flyers are an average to below average team in the standings, Vorcaek, and Giroux are worth tuning into every game.

As exciting a combination as they were.. Eric Lindros and John Leclair are quickly gaining company in that dominant line category.

This combo of G and Voracek has been elite pretty much since they have been combined. G was a Hart finalist last season, and has actually statistically been better so far this season, but is being over-shadowed by Voracek. As of this blog they are #1 and #3 in point per game average this season. Voracek, at a ferocious scoring clip, is on pace for 136 points this season, and G not far behind at a 107 point pace.

I know some have wanted them split, but I dont know how you can mess with that..
- jak521

It's the old "All your eggs in one basket" debate. I'd be fine with either approach because, you need more than one line to provide consistent production, even while understanding that having a dominant line is nothing to take lightly.

If they are split, I'd want Voracek to play with Couturier or Schenn as his center. I don't want him saddled with Lecavalier at 5 on 5

He's been a joy to watch. I said the other day, even if the Flyers are an average to below average team in the standings, Vorcaek, and Giroux are worth tuning into every game.
- PLindbergh31

Remember when you said we should trade Giroux last year?

I think splitting up Giroux and Voracek is the most pointless thing that gets talked about on here. It's not gonna happen.

Remember when you said we should trade Giroux last year?
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't recall saying that. Of course if they could get a legit # 1 dman you would have to consider it.

I think splitting up Giroux and Voracek is the most pointless thing that gets talked about on here. It's not gonna happen.
- Feanor

I wouldn't put anything past Berube. I think he wakes up in the middle of the night and carves his ideas into a piece of slate with the chisel he keeps beside his bed.

It's the old "All your eggs in one basket" debate. I'd be fine with either approach because, you need more than one line to provide consistent production, even while understanding that having a dominant line is nothing to take lightly.

If they are split, I'd want Voracek to play with Couturier or Schenn as his center. I don't want him saddled with Lecavalier at 5 on 5
- Jsaquella

I dont think thats the case though.

We should have enough offense to go around.

The underachievers could be one line.. that would be the opposite of the all eggs in one basket approach lol.

All healthy lineup (including Ryan White who is making strides)

Raffl-G-Voracek
Schenn-Couts-Simmonds
Umberger-Vinny-Read (eesshh)
Rinaldo-Pebbles-White/Velvet/Akeson

I think splitting up Giroux and Voracek is the most pointless thing that gets talked about on here. It's not gonna happen.
- Feanor

True. If he won't split Vinnyburger....

True. If he won't split Vinnyburger....
- Jsaquella

Umberger brings a lot to the team. He is a good skater, he just needs to remember that. He is versatile as well. We can play him at any of the three forwards slots and in any situations. He just needs to remember how to play good.


** sound Flyers org. enough?

I think splitting up Giroux and Voracek is the most pointless thing that gets talked about on here. It's not gonna happen.
- Feanor

Most likely not going to happen. But it's not a bad idea. Voracek would be the ideal player to play with Lecavalier.

I dont think thats the case though.

We should have enough offense to go around.

The underachievers could be one line.. that would be the opposite of the all eggs in one basket approach lol.

All healthy lineup (including Ryan White who is making strides)

Raffl-G-Voracke
Schenn-Couts-Simmonds
Umberger-Vinny-Read (eesshh)
Rinaldo-Pebbles-White/Velvet/Akeson
- jak521

Raffl being out forces things, a bit. I'd like to see these lines, or something similar when they get healthy.

It's the old "All your eggs in one basket" debate. I'd be fine with either approach because, you need more than one line to provide consistent production, even while understanding that having a dominant line is nothing to take lightly.

If they are split, I'd want Voracek to play with Couturier or Schenn as his center. I don't want him saddled with Lecavalier at 5 on 5
- Jsaquella

See, I'm the opposite. I would only do it to jump start Vinnie to potentially boost his trade value. If you want to help out Couts, I'd move Schenn back to that line. I think when Raffl comes back they go in this direction.