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ToddCordellVAN
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 09.04.2013

Sep 20 @ 10:57 AM ET
HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Who Will Win The Jack Adams?
weirdoh
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 07.09.2006

Sep 20 @ 11:25 AM ET
I know who won't.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Sep 20 @ 11:28 AM ET
Gerard gallant, the Canadiens are (frank)ed without him
Muskwa
Location: Somewhere down the lazy river
Joined: 03.26.2013

Sep 20 @ 11:36 AM ET
Paul Maurice
Sven22
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007

Sep 20 @ 11:41 AM ET
It is very depressing that the best methodology for predicting this award goes something like:

1) Generate a list of teams that were especially unlucky last season (bad PDO, standings points much worse than what would be predicted by goal differential or Corsi, bad shootout record, etc.)

2) Out of those teams, select the ones who have had their current coach for 1 season or less.

3) If you still have more than 1 team remaining in your pool, choose on the basis of team youth (younger is better), offseason roster improvements, or a combination of the two.

When in reality, the methodology should go like:

1) Pick the best coach, based on the effectiveness of the things the coach can actually control (formation, strategy, tactics, deployment, etc.)
Artyukhin76
Tampa Bay Lightning
Joined: 07.25.2009

Sep 20 @ 11:57 AM ET
You arrogant homer!!!!!
laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Sep 20 @ 11:59 AM ET
Dallas Eakins
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Sep 20 @ 12:06 PM ET
I know who won't.
- weirdoh

Bruce Boudreau?
Michael Stuart
Ottawa Senators
Location: "Caresi > Corsi"
Joined: 10.24.2011

Sep 20 @ 12:06 PM ET
It is very depressing that the best methodology for predicting this award goes something like:

1) Generate a list of teams that were especially unlucky last season (bad PDO, standings points much worse than what would be predicted by goal differential or Corsi, bad shootout record, etc.)

2) Out of those teams, select the ones who have had their current coach for 1 season or less.

3) If you still have more than 1 team remaining in your pool, choose on the basis of team youth (younger is better), offseason roster improvements, or a combination of the two.

When in reality, the methodology should go like:

1) Pick the best coach, based on the effectiveness of the things the coach can actually control (formation, strategy, tactics, deployment, etc.)

- Sven22


It's honestly become a 'who had the best goalie' award in the last few years. Varlamov. Anderson. Halak/Elliott.
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Sep 20 @ 12:07 PM ET
Dallas Eakins
- laughs2907

You're such a homer
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 20 @ 12:10 PM ET
Willy - of course! Greatest comeback season ever about to happen
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Sep 20 @ 12:11 PM ET
Willy - of course! Greatest comeback season ever about to happen
- LeftCoaster

laughs2907
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Wuhan, China
Joined: 07.18.2006

Sep 20 @ 12:34 PM ET
You're such a homer
- Yeti1181


STOP IT!!!
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Sep 20 @ 12:55 PM ET
AV will win the award after leading the New York Rangers to a President's Trophy season behind a Vezina-nominated Lundqvist and a McDonagh that finishes 5th in the Norris voting.
Erik6Karlsson5
Ottawa Senators
Location: It's Knuckle Puck Time.., NB
Joined: 01.23.2013

Sep 20 @ 1:55 PM ET
Hold on, let me check my magic crystal ball
TheCalSen
Ottawa Senators
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 05.07.2014

Sep 20 @ 4:04 PM ET
Maclean.
Jacob582
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.06.2012

Sep 20 @ 7:30 PM ET
Ted Nolan
Danformo
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2012

Sep 20 @ 8:04 PM ET
Canucks HC, they'll make playoffs and they'll get massive praise even though they weren't really that bad last year as indicated by possession #
Sven22
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007

Sep 21 @ 11:19 AM ET
It's honestly become a 'who had the best goalie' award in the last few years. Varlamov. Anderson. Halak/Elliott.
- Michael_Stuart


The point that we're both trying to make is that it's that the Adams is more a "good luck" award than a coaching award.

It seems to me the best way to predict the award a year in advance is to look at the teams that finished much lower in the standings than a predictive analysis would have guessed, as presumably they have the most to gain from sheer regression to the mean.

But you're right, there's no way to predict whose goalie is going to play 20 points above their expectation. Basically it's random. Which is why the Adams sucks.
Sven22
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007

Sep 21 @ 11:51 AM ET
Three potential choices:

1) Peter DeBoer. The Devils for the last few years have been a great possession team but terrible on the percentages, and they went an astonishing 0-13 on shootouts last season. Despite this, they were still only 5 points out of the playoffs. They will probably still be a bad shooting team this year, but now that Brodeur is gone they no longer have to feel obligated to give half their starts to an ECHL-level goaltender, plus I doubt they can be that horrible at shootouts again.

2) Willie Desjardins. New coach taking over a team that still has a lot of talent and probably isn't nearly as bad as their record last season suggested. Plus the relationship with Tortorella exploded so spectacularly that the narrative is already built in -- any improvement, no matter where it comes from, is going to be credited to the coach.

3) Barry Trotz. If the Capitals have a good season you can pretty much guarantee he'll be a finalist.