Peter Tessier: Jets Critics are Probably Correct Lots of shots fired at the Jets this summer and all probably worthy ones too.

Werent Kovulchuk and Hossa on this team at one point? How in the (frank) does anyone NOT consider them to be untouchable?

just trade us bogosian for bailey and a pick and all is forgiven

just trade us bogosian for bailey and a pick and all is forgiven
- Isles_since_6

I'm all for getting rid of Bailey but I'm not particularly sold on Bogosian.

I'm all for getting rid of Bailey but I'm not particularly sold on Bogosian.




- eichiefs9

I love those highlights, SOLD!

All I can say is Perreault is a beast and was definitely worth his contract. Sad the Ducks low balled him.

The kid works 110 percent every game and makes stellar plays from behind the net and on the rush. Enjoy.

just trade us bogosian for bailey and a pick and all is forgiven
- Isles_since_6

What about Frans Nielsen and Josh Bailey for Zach Bogosian?

Hey Peter,

The Jets are going into season 4 with the same cancerous core. Enough said...

At the beginning I really believed in our management, after watching 3 years of inaction it's quite apparent that the Jets are arrogant where they think the fans should just be grateful to have a team.

Just my thoughts...

What about Frans Nielsen and Josh Bailey for Zach Bogosian?
- TheUltimateJet

I think they're doing pretty much what you'd expect from a draft and develop team. Their core players are signed long-term, which gives them a window to still have some of their young players at really low contracts before the contracts of their older core guys are up. This isn't a quick process with who would be considered the first wave of picks mostly still another year from being NHL ready. What those players need is time. Which is what they've bought with so many long-term contracts. Basically they have a window to fill the roster with young talent by 17/18 and will have tons of cash to throw at free agents to fill any remaining holes. If they aren't ready, they move some veterans a year before that and keep stocking the system. That's pretty much how it works if you're actually sticking with that system.

With Setoguchi the idea was that he's still young enough where if he bounced-back in a new environment you could give him a longer term extension and fill one of the holes in your top 9 for the next 4-5 years, which still works with their current timeline. It was a risk that didn't pay off. For player development you also don't want to just have a terrible team and if opportunities come along to fill holes in the roster for relatively low cost, some are worth going after. Going into this year the holes in their roster are really one top 9 player and one top 4 D, if you believe they still have confidence in Pavelec. Filling 2 roster spots doesn't require making major moves. And they're really only looking for short-term solutions with Morrissey maybe even being ready to go this year and a few guys in St. John's who could be getting close to playing top 9. That's why you shouldn't expect them to make any major moves. Going after a big name free agent defenceman would just mess up their longer-term plan.

There isn't space to sign a guy to a big contract for 4-5 years on their roster unless you move out Toby or Bogosian. Up front it's pretty much the same issue unless they move out Buff. They could move Kane but won't without huge return because he's under contract long-term and is still probably their best offensive talent. Buff makes more sense with his contract status. And they likely will move him either at the deadline or next off-season. Maybe sooner if a couple guys from St. John's show they are good enough to start playing full time in the NHL. But they won't do it and just leave a hole in the roster. Even without major moves, the team is better this year with the addition of Perreault and some of the younger guys having move experience. Now that they have more talent in the NHL and guys in the system are getting close to being able to move in and provide more depth, I don't know why anyone would expect them to make any major moves. Not when the overall team is trending in the right direction. They might not finish as high this year with the rest of their division getting stronger but they're still on their way up while some other teams are starting to peak and will start trending downward soon. Some other teams in the conference are already past their peak and trending downward.

What about Frans Nielsen and Josh Bailey for Zach Bogosian?
- TheUltimateJet

I would counter with Josh Bailey, Matt Donovan and a hand shake from Charles Wang.

I think they're doing pretty much what you'd expect from a draft and develop team. Their core players are signed long-term, which gives them a window to still have some of their young players at really low contracts before the contracts of their older core guys are up. This isn't a quick process with who would be considered the first wave of picks mostly still another year from being NHL ready. What those players need is time. Which is what they've bought with so many long-term contracts. Basically they have a window to fill the roster with young talent by 17/18 and will have tons of cash to throw at free agents to fill any remaining holes. If they aren't ready, they move some veterans a year before that and keep stocking the system. That's pretty much how it works if you're actually sticking with that system.

With Setoguchi the idea was that he's still young enough where if he bounced-back in a new environment you could give him a longer term extension and fill one of the holes in your top 9 for the next 4-5 years, which still works with their current timeline. It was a risk that didn't pay off. For player development you also don't want to just have a terrible team and if opportunities come along to fill holes in the roster for relatively low cost, some are worth going after. Going into this year the holes in their roster are really one top 9 player and one top 4 D, if you believe they still have confidence in Pavelec. Filling 2 roster spots doesn't require making major moves. And they're really only looking for short-term solutions with Morrissey maybe even being ready to go this year and a few guys in St. John's who could be getting close to playing top 9. That's why you shouldn't expect them to make any major moves. Going after a big name free agent defenceman would just mess up their longer-term plan.

There isn't space to sign a guy to a big contract for 4-5 years on their roster unless you move out Toby or Bogosian. Up front it's pretty much the same issue unless they move out Buff. They could move Kane but won't without huge return because he's under contract long-term and is still probably their best offensive talent. Buff makes more sense with his contract status. And they likely will move him either at the deadline or next off-season. Maybe sooner if a couple guys from St. John's show they are good enough to start playing full time in the NHL. But they won't do it and just leave a hole in the roster. Even without major moves, the team is better this year with the addition of Perreault and some of the younger guys having move experience. Now that they have more talent in the NHL and guys in the system are getting close to being able to move in and provide more depth, I don't know why anyone would expect them to make any major moves. Not when the overall team is trending in the right direction. They might not finish as high this year with the rest of their division getting stronger but they're still on their way up while some other teams are starting to peak and will start trending downward soon. Some other teams in the conference are already past their peak and trending downward.
- clematrix

nice evaluation....we've all heard these words, but we do need to be a little more patient. This franchise came north with no real prospects playing in their farm system. They're all playing in the nhl.

Could chevy make a trade and quicken the process? Of course,but we're not privy to the return being offered. One more season of draft and develope then chevy will have serious choices to make with buff and Ladd. Then we should see the path more clearly if the prospects are ready and veterans can be traded to fill holes to complete the team.

What about Frans Nielsen and Josh Bailey for Zach Bogosian?
- TheUltimateJet

Nielsen alone is worth a good top 4 D man, maybe more depending on who it is

Chevy is a minor league GM

True North had such a hard on for the successes of the Manitoba Moose that they brought the whole team over to the major league level

Dismal Failure ever since....

If the plan is to wheel out essentially the same team each year and miss the playoffs everything is on track.

if any team could have signed Michael Del Zotto for nothing this summer, why would any team want to trade something of value for Zach Bogosian and that absolutely insane contract? At least Tyler Myers actually had a good year in the NHL when he got his contract.

I think they're doing pretty much what you'd expect from a draft and develop team. Their core players are signed long-term, which gives them a window to still have some of their young players at really low contracts before the contracts of their older core guys are up. This isn't a quick process with who would be considered the first wave of picks mostly still another year from being NHL ready. What those players need is time. Which is what they've bought with so many long-term contracts. Basically they have a window to fill the roster with young talent by 17/18 and will have tons of cash to throw at free agents to fill any remaining holes. If they aren't ready, they move some veterans a year before that and keep stocking the system. That's pretty much how it works if you're actually sticking with that system.

With Setoguchi the idea was that he's still young enough where if he bounced-back in a new environment you could give him a longer term extension and fill one of the holes in your top 9 for the next 4-5 years, which still works with their current timeline. It was a risk that didn't pay off. For player development you also don't want to just have a terrible team and if opportunities come along to fill holes in the roster for relatively low cost, some are worth going after. Going into this year the holes in their roster are really one top 9 player and one top 4 D, if you believe they still have confidence in Pavelec. Filling 2 roster spots doesn't require making major moves. And they're really only looking for short-term solutions with Morrissey maybe even being ready to go this year and a few guys in St. John's who could be getting close to playing top 9. That's why you shouldn't expect them to make any major moves. Going after a big name free agent defenceman would just mess up their longer-term plan.

There isn't space to sign a guy to a big contract for 4-5 years on their roster unless you move out Toby or Bogosian. Up front it's pretty much the same issue unless they move out Buff. They could move Kane but won't without huge return because he's under contract long-term and is still probably their best offensive talent. Buff makes more sense with his contract status. And they likely will move him either at the deadline or next off-season. Maybe sooner if a couple guys from St. John's show they are good enough to start playing full time in the NHL. But they won't do it and just leave a hole in the roster. Even without major moves, the team is better this year with the addition of Perreault and some of the younger guys having move experience. Now that they have more talent in the NHL and guys in the system are getting close to being able to move in and provide more depth, I don't know why anyone would expect them to make any major moves. Not when the overall team is trending in the right direction. They might not finish as high this year with the rest of their division getting stronger but they're still on their way up while some other teams are starting to peak and will start trending downward soon. Some other teams in the conference are already past their peak and trending downward.
- clematrix

I agree with your assessment.

Werent Kovulchuk and Hossa on this team at one point? How in the (frank) does anyone NOT consider them to be untouchable?
- BlazinMike

Extending the metaphor, I believe both were adamant they wanted to be touched.

Extending the metaphor, I believe both were adamant they wanted to be touched.
- nfph

Probly true, i guess my question should be...How did that team NOT establish itself as anything worth while?

I've been going to Jets games since 1972 ... there were some glory years in the outlaw league ... turning to the NHL 80's and looking at are best players then - how did we get them ?

Hawerchuk - draft ... Mullen - draft ... Selanne - draft ... Tkachuk - draft ... Zhamnov (depending on the night this guy was brilliant) - draft ... Khabibulin (yes he was real good early on) - draft

After the Jets return - how did we get our most promising players ?

Schiefele - draft ... Trouba (this guy played lots of minutes and tough minutes) - draft ... Morrissey has been tearing it up in Junior then, late in the year, the A - - draft ... Ehlers ? (who knows yet) - draft

The rest of the guys we inherited ... who said 'free agency time is when GM's make their biggest mistakes ?'

Net: I don't have the answer - everyday I check to see if the Jets have made a trade - why ? ... cause we think that's the way to improve ... we get anxious by what we view as INACTION

I say dangle Kane and Bogosian - if the return is in our favour then nail it ! ... if not, stay the course

Wouldn't trade any of Byfuglien, Ladd, Little, Frolick unless we get the team far more stacked with talent (so I agree with the 'core' scenario) ... the young guys drafted in Winnipeg - we keep

Clematix- you raise some good points but they also- in my opinion- solidify what I'm trying to say- he's not sticking to the plan. Nor is he working his plan.

He's working a bunch of angles. He got a great deal on Frolik but it still bothers me that since the beginning of May he could not come to terms on a deal with him.

When looking at this stuff for criticism you have to look at the big picture and how it has changed over time and it's not much. Okay fine, but if draft and develop is your strategy then draft more and develop more. How? By trading assets for more picks and being heavy in that capacity.

Only in 2013 draft was he heavy in picks. The same year he made a play for both Gooch and Frolik. Coincidence probably.


When looking at the bigger picture you see that the Jets have clear destination and a preferred route but are really not deciding to take it and get there. Rather it appears they are trying to see what the driving conditions are on several routes and if one happens to be clear and no one knows they will take it.

Speaking of draft and develop, here's Pronman's list of drafted prospects rankings. 3 Jets in top 25 which is nice but it dries up after that. Still promising.

On Reddit.

Number Name Position Drafted Team 2013/14 League
1 Jonathan Drouin LW Tampa Bay Lightning QMJHL
2 Aaron Ekblad D Florida Panthers OHL
3 Sam Bennett C Calgary Flames OHL
4 William Nylander RW Toronto Maple Leafs SHL
5 Sam Reinhart C Buffalo Sabres WHL
6 Nikolaj Ehlers LW Winnipeg Jets QMJHL
7 Kevin Fiala LW Nashville Predators SHL
8 Leon Draisaitl C Edmonton Oilers WHL
9 Michael Dal Colle LW New York Islanders OHL
10 Evgeny Kuznetsov C Washington Capitals NHL
11 Filip Forsberg RW Nashville Predators NHL
12 Teuvo Teravainen C Chicago Blackhawks NHL
13 Haydn Fleury D Carolina Hurricanes WHL
14 Curtis Lazar RW Ottawa Senators WHL
15 Kasperi Kapanen RW Pittsburgh Penguins Liiga
16 Brandon Gormley D Arizona Coyotes NHL
17 Mikhail Grigorenko C Buffalo Sabres NH
18 Josh Morrissey D Winnipeg Jets AHL
19 Bo Horvat C Vancouver Canucks OHL
20 Griffin Reinhart D New York Islanders WHL
21 Nikita Zadorov D Buffalo Sabres NHL
22 Andre Burakovsky LW Washington Capitals OHL
23 Darnell Nurse D Edmonton Oilers AHL
24 Nicolas Petan C Winnipeg Jets WHL
25 Pavel Buchnevich RW New York Rangers KHL
26 Jake Virtanen RW Vancouver Canucks WHL
27 Max Domi C Arizona Coyotes OHL
28 Alexander Wennberg C Columbus Blue Jackets SHL
29 Derrick Pouliot D Pittsburgh Penguins WHL
30 Sonny Milano LW Columbus Blue Jackets USHL
31 Hunter Shinkaruk C Vancouver Canucks WHL
32 Jakub Vrana LW Washington Capitals SHL
33 Anthony Mantha LW Detroit Red Wings QMJHL
34 Jacob de la Rose LW Montreal Canadiens SHL
35 Robby Fabbri C St. Louis Blues OHL
36 David Pastrnak RW Boston Bruins SHL-2
37 Riley Barber RW Washington Capitals NCAA
38 Brendan Perlini LW Arizona Coyotes USHL
39 Rickard Rakell C Anaheim Ducks NHL
40 Mirco Mueller D San Jose Sharks AHL
41 Ville Pokka D New York Islanders Liiga
42 Johnny Gaudreau LW Calgary Flames NHL
43 Dmitrij Jaskin LW St. Louis Blues NHL
44 Hudson Fasching RW Buffalo Sabres NCAA
45 Mathew Dumba D Minnesota Wild NHL
46 Oscar Klefbom D Edmonton Oilers NHL
47 Chris Bigras D Colorado Avalanche OHL
48 Mark Stone RW Ottawa Senators NHL
49 Vincent Trocheck C Florida Panthers NHL
50 Ryan Spooner C Boston Bruins NHL
51 J.T. Compher C Buffalo Sabres NCAA
52 Artturi Lehkonen LW Montreal Canadiens Liiga
53 Tanner Pearson LW Los Angeles Kings NHL
54 Scott Harrington D Pittsburgh Penguins AHL
55 Alexander Khokhlachev LW Boston Bruins NHL
56 Steven Santini D New Jersey Devils NCAA
57 Brett Ritchie RW Dallas Stars AHL
58 Calle Jarnkrok C Nashville Predators NHL
59 Xavier Ouellet D Detroit Red Wings NHL
60 Joel Armia RW Buffalo Sabres AHL
61 Ty Rattie RW St. Louis Blues NHL
62 Nathan Beaulieu D Montreal Canadiens NHL
63 Mike Matheson D Florida Panthers NCAA
64 William Karlsson C Anaheim Ducks AHL
65 Vladislav Namestnikov C Tampa Bay Lightning NHL
66 Ryan Hartman RW Chicago Blackhawks AHL
67 Ivan Barbashev C St. Louis Blues QMJHL
68 Nick Ritchie RW Anaheim Ducks OHL
69 Gustav Possler LW Buffalo Sabres SHL
70 Adam Erne LW Tampa Bay Lightning AHL
71 Andreas Johnson LW Toronto Maple Leafs SHL
72 Jake McCabe D Buffalo Sabres NHL
73 Scott Laughton C Philadelphia Flyers NHL
74 Jason Zucker LW Minnesota Wild NHL
75 Sebastian Collberg RW New York Islanders AHL
76 Rocco Grimaldi C Florida Panthers NCAA
77 Jared McCann C Vancouver Canucks OHL
78 Jamie Oleksiak D Dallas Stars NHL
79 Valentin Zykov RW Los Angeles Kings QMJHL
80 Slater Koekkoek D Tampa Bay Lightning OHL
81 Teemu Pulkkinen RW Detroit Red Wings NHL
82 Ryan Pulock D New York Islanders AHL
83 Nikolai Prokhorkin C Los Angeles Kings KHL
84 Josh Ho-Sang C New York Islanders OHL
85 Adam Clendening D Chicago Blackhawks AHL
86 Oliver Bjorkstrand RW Columbus Blue Jackets WHL
87 Brayden Point C Tampa Bay Lightning WHL
88 Robert Hagg D Philadelphia Flyers AHL
89 Alex Tuch RW Minnesota Wild USHL
90 Miikka Salomaki RW Nashville Predators AHL
91 Adrian Kempe LW Los Angeles Kings SHL
92 Nikita Scherbak LW Montreal Canadiens WHL
93 Adam Pelech D New York Islanders OHL
94 Roland McKeown D Los Angeles Kings OHL
95 Marko Dano C Columbus Blue Jackets AHL
96 Ian McCoshen D Florida Panthers NCAA
97 Madison Bowey D Washington Capitals WHL
98 Martin Reway LW Montreal Canadiens QMJHL
99 Dylan Larkin C Detroit Red Wings USHL
100 Travis Sanheim D Philadelphia Flyers WHL



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Peter Tessier: Jets Critics are Probably Correct
Lots of shots fired at the Jets this summer and all probably worthy ones too.
- Peter.Tessier

Jets are still a "meh team". Nice young prospects, but a mediocre team this year yet again. No real rivalries established yet either and playing in Winterpeg doesn't get the much talked about to begin with.

Jets are still a "meh team". Nice young prospects, but a mediocre team this year yet again. No real rivalries established yet either and playing in Winterpeg doesn't get the much talked about to begin with.
- EagleNuck

Didn't the Canucks finish with less points last year? And start with two number 1 goalies and end up with none? And then sign Ryan Miller to a billion dollars? And lose Kesler?

Wiercioch is a WAYYYYYYY better passer than Karlsson from within the defensive zone


Someone needs to tell Yost he needs to actually watch the games to know certain things

there is no advanced stat for exit passes