Bill Meltzer
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 07.13.2006
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grand-magus
Buffalo Sabres |
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Location: "...i'd say you were high on mushrooms", GMTM, NY Joined: 06.06.2014
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Rumors persist that the Flyers are actively trying to trade up from the 17th overall pick in the 2017 draft
Now that's some forward thinking! |
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mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Downingtown, PA Joined: 08.16.2006
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Man it's late. Sleep now, speculate tomorrow. |
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Daceroni
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: AB Joined: 11.20.2006
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I think if Sonny Milano is available we take him
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wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK Joined: 11.13.2007
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I think if Sonny Milano is available we take him - Daceroni
I want a European - the BEPA |
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Sms401
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Kenmore , NY Joined: 07.28.2011
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Man it's late. Sleep now, speculate tomorrow. - mayorofangrytown
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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: it's been 84 years, AZ Joined: 01.02.2007
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I want a European - the BEPA - wilsonecho91
do they migrate? |
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mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers |
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Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ Joined: 02.28.2009
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Now that's some forward thinking! - grand-magus
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SuperSchennBros
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Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot! Joined: 09.01.2012
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mochoson
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Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ Joined: 02.28.2009
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FORWARDS
Tomas Fleischmann ($4.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Tye McGinn ($0.750m) / Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Jason Akeson ($0.825m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Tom Gilbert ($1.500m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)
RETAINED SALARIES (1.58% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($1.125m—25.00%)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $238,571
1. Vincent Lecavalier (25% retained salary) and Nicklas Grossman for Tomas Fleischman, Quinton Howden, and John McFarland
2. Tom Gilbert signed for 2 years, 3 million (1.5 million; a hypothetical overpayment)
3. Al Montoya signed for 1 year, 1 million (very fair raise)
4. Tye McGinn and Jasone Akeson both given modest raises based off recent contributions to the big club (Akeson a bit more so due to strong playoffs)
5. On Day 1, you LTIR Pronger and recall Scott Laughton and either Brandon Manning or Oliver Lauridsen as your #7dman (or both if you waive one of Bellemare, McGinn, Akeson, or Rinaldo)
Thoughts? |
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aoh718
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Joined: 06.09.2014
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FORWARDS
Tomas Fleischmann ($4.500m) / Claude Giroux ($8.275m) / Wayne Simmonds ($3.975m)
Michael Raffl ($1.100m) / Brayden Schenn ($2.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Sean Couturier ($1.750m) / Matt Read ($3.625m)
Tye McGinn ($0.750m) / Pierre-Edouard Bellemare ($0.600m) / Jason Akeson ($0.825m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mark Streit ($5.250m) / Andrew MacDonald ($5.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Kimmo Timonen ($2.000m) / Tom Gilbert ($1.500m)
Chris Pronger ($4.941m)
GOALTENDERS
Steve Mason ($4.100m)
Al Montoya ($1.000m)
RETAINED SALARIES (1.58% of upper limit)
Vincent Lecavalier ($1.125m—25.00%)
BONUS OVERAGE
$345,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $238,571
1. Vincent Lecavalier (25% retained salary) and Nicklas Grossman for Tomas Fleischman, Quinton Howden, and John McFarland
2. Tom Gilbert signed for 2 years, 3 million (1.5 million; a hypothetical overpayment)
3. Al Montoya signed for 1 year, 1 million (very fair raise)javascript:emoticon('')
4. Tye McGinn and Jasone Akeson both given modest raises based off recent contributions to the big club (Akeson a bit more so due to strong playoffs)
5. On Day 1, you LTIR Pronger and recall Scott Laughton and either Brandon Manning or Oliver Lauridsen as your #7dman (or both if you waive one of Bellemare, McGinn, Akeson, or Rinaldo)
Thoughts? - mochoson
I would rather not watch the flyers than see this roster especially if those are the line combinations. |
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mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers |
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Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ Joined: 02.28.2009
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I would rather not watch the flyers than see this roster especially if those are the line combinations. - aoh718
The opening day lines would look more like this, for the record
Fleischman-Giroux-Voracek
Umberger-Schenn-Simmonds
Raffl-Couturier-Read
Bellemare-Laughton-Rinaldo/McGinn/Akeson/Alderson
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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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"There are a lot of feast-or-famine types in this Draft, and the safer picks may not have the highest ceilings," the scout said. "There are probably going to be quite a few busts but I also think there will be a fair share of really good players and even possibly some value picks who turn out to be impact players. A Draft like this requires a little lucky guesswork as well as a lot of homework and feel. It's never easy to project players three or five years from now, but this year is maybe a little tougher." - bmeltzer
The above doesn't worry me too much in light of the Flyers am scouts history of sifting through the dreck and coming out with winners. 2006 was probably the best example... out of a sea of busts, they managed to fish out arguably the best player from that draft class.
With that said, I think they can still afford to move back to 20 or so and probably still get the player they want. I really wouldn't want them to spend too much effort in moving up this year... the risk/reward payoff doesn't seem to be there for the most part. |
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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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1. Vincent Lecavalier (25% retained salary) and Nicklas Grossman for Tomas Fleischman, Quinton Howden, and John McFarland
2. Tom Gilbert signed for 2 years, 3 million (1.5 million; a hypothetical overpayment)
3. Al Montoya signed for 1 year, 1 million (very fair raise) - mochoson
1. Dale Tallon has a history of doing dumb things, but that trade would be a doozy, even for him,
2. Gilbert just came off a year where he played like a $4M dman again. He's still young-ish... why would he accept 1/3 of what Nikitin just got?
3. Not sure Montoya is a guy that is good enough to carry the load if Mason goes down. I'd be more comfortable with Dubnyk on a show-me deal, or just re-signing Emery despite his PK SV% issues.
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Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Should of studied Geometry Joined: 04.28.2013
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You can add Anthony DeAngelo to the list of kids who I hope the Flyers don't take.
I can't see rolling the dice on a smallish defenseman with what appear to be serious emotional and maturity issues.
The Flyers have too many needs to whiff badly on a 1st round pick. |
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Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Joined: 12.03.2007
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Would you disagree with taking DeAngelo at 17 Bill? Seems high risk, huge reward prospect.
His character issues are a concern but may have been compounded by a player who hates to lose ppaying on an awful sarnia team. |
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Im calling it now, Flyers will draft Kasperi Kapanen. |
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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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The above doesn't worry me too much in light of the Flyers am scouts history of sifting through the dreck and coming out with winners. 2006 was probably the best example... out of a sea of busts, they managed to fish out arguably the best player from that draft class.
With that said, I think they can still afford to move back to 20 or so and probably still get the player they want. I really wouldn't want them to spend too much effort in moving up this year... the risk/reward payoff doesn't seem to be there for the most part. - Tomahawk
Josh Ho Sang playing the role of Claude Giroux? |
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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Would you disagree with taking DeAngelo at 17 Bill? Seems high risk, huge reward prospect.
His character issues are a concern but may have been compounded by a player who hates to lose ppaying on an awful sarnia team. - Baxter27
The stuff he did, he did repeatedly, which would indicate some fundamental impulse-control, self-control, anger issues. Getting frustrated by losing is one thing... turning on your teammates and abusing officials on numerous occasions are pretty much the last thing you would want to do if you're interested in turning the ship around. |
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Baxter27
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Joined: 12.03.2007
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The stuff he did, he did repeatedly, which would indicate some fundamental impulse-control, self-control, anger issues. Getting frustrated by losing is one thing... turning on your teammates and abusing officials on numerous occasions are pretty much the last thing you would want to do if you're interested in turning the ship around. - Tomahawk
There is plenty of examples of players with questionable behaviour. I still dont know exactly what he did so Im not condoning anything. However, I trust if the Flyers do take him they have done thierhomework. |
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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Bringing Hexy Back Joined: 06.16.2006
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The stuff he did, he did repeatedly, which would indicate some fundamental impulse-control, self-control, anger issues. Getting frustrated by losing is one thing... turning on your teammates and abusing officials on numerous occasions are pretty much the last thing you would want to do if you're interested in turning the ship around. - Tomahawk
My big worry on DeAngelo is, the Flyers didn't exactly handle guys like that well in the past. Downie, Maroon & even Tony Voce. Now granted, Voce wasn't really much of a prospect, but Downie was a first rounder and Maroon had shown good potential.
I actually have fewer concerns about Ho Sang than I do about DeAngelo. If he's sitting there in round two, it's probably worth the dice role, but at 17 there should be better, safer players than DeAngelo. |
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acd513
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funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine. Joined: 03.15.2009
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i'd bet my house that the flyers select a hockey player in the first round |
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J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 04.03.2014
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The above doesn't worry me too much in light of the Flyers am scouts history of sifting through the dreck and coming out with winners. 2006 was probably the best example... out of a sea of busts, they managed to fish out arguably the best player from that draft class.
With that said, I think they can still afford to move back to 20 or so and probably still get the player they want. I really wouldn't want them to spend too much effort in moving up this year... the risk/reward payoff doesn't seem to be there for the most part. - Tomahawk
I think if they move up it has to be for someone they have already targeted. If he isn't there I wouldn't mind moving 17 to a team wanting to try and gt back into the first round for say a 2015 1st rounder and maybe another pick like 2014 2nd or third rounder |
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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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My big worry on DeAngelo is, the Flyers didn't exactly handle guys like that well in the past. Downie, Maroon & even Tony Voce. Now granted, Voce wasn't really much of a prospect, but Downie was a first rounder and Maroon had shown good potential.
I actually have fewer concerns about Ho Sang than I do about DeAngelo. If he's sitting there in round two, it's probably worth the dice role, but at 17 there should be better, safer players than DeAngelo. - Jsaquella
Yeah, not sure they would have touched Downie if the Aliu thing had happened pre-draft. Flyers seem to prioritize character pretty highly.
Ho Sang is just brash and full of himself... that's a world away from the DeAngelo stuff.
Edit: Had to include this:
“The Leafs have said they want to move up to pick first,” Ho-Sang said.
“Well, they can stay at eight and still get the No. 1 pick.”
He was referring to himself.
http://www.torontosun.com...l-prospect-joshua-ho-sang
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