Jason Lewis: Kings Extend Lewis, How Does it Affect the Long Term Cap Situation?

Isn't Lombardi working under the assumption that the cap could rise to only 68mm? If so, I have the impression that one of Mitchell or Greene will be on the way out. Seems to me that this little trial run for Cambell, the trade for McNabb, even Forbort may get a hard look come training camp, no?

Jason Lewis: Kings Extend Lewis, How Does it Affect the Long Term Cap Situation?
- Jason_Lewis[/
Good questions Jason! I think they let Green go and possibly
Mitchell also. Campbell will stay with the big club and a trade will be made for a defenseman trading Nolan and some other pieces.
Just my thoughts....
Is the cap suppose to keep going up or what?
Thanks Jason

Officially the Kings have Eight players are under contract after next season. Doughty, Kopitar, Quick, Brown, Richards, Carter, Voynov, Lewis. Those eight players total $42.16M for the Kings. That's around 60-percent of the Kings money into eight players. With a 23-man roster that leaves the Kings around $29M to sign 15 players. An average of $1.9M per player. Now imagine if Gaborik signs up for something around 5 years at $6.5M or something. Oi vey.
- Jason_Lewis

You're forgetting that the cap will go up again after next season. If it will indeed be $71.1MM, that means that it would have gone up nearly $7MM in a single season. If it goes up anywhere near that next season, that would put us near $78MM, not $71.1MM, leaving us with $36MM to sign 15 players, which is a more comfortable $2.4MM per player.

Right now we have 6 players on the roster that make under $1MM/season. As seasons progress, some players will retire, sign elsewhere, get traded, etc., making room more more players to get recalled from the minors. Assuming we keep around 6 players in this range, that leaves us $30MM to resign 9 players, an average of nearly 3.5MM/season. Not too shabby.

Why is everyone talking about millimeters (mm/MM)??? But in seriousness, I think Greene and Mitchell get offered paycuts to stay in LA as tokens and they either take it or move on. Especially seeing how Greene was a healthy scratch for several of the latest games, missed all of last year, it seems all we'll be missing is his presence in the room, which while huge, should not garner a multi-Million $ contract. Mitchell won his cup and might be ready to sail off into the sunset. Of the two, I'd rather have him accept a dock in pay and stay with the team. As great as Richards' contract seemed in the beginning, it's starting to sour on me as his rapid decline continues. Coupled with Brown's lack of offensive numbers and hits, it seems like we have a lot tied up for a 3rd and 4th liner... Be that as it may, I'm sure Deano has a plan... In DL I trust.
With re to Lewie, I'm glad he'll be around. He's the proto-typical role player that every successful team needs. It's time to forget about his draft position and enjoy him for what he is and what he brings to this team! GKG! Bring on the Sharks!

Why is everyone talking about millimeters (mm/MM)??? But in seriousness, I think Greene and Mitchell get offered paycuts to stay in LA as tokens and they either take it or move on. Especially seeing how Greene was a healthy scratch for several of the latest games, missed all of last year, it seems all we'll be missing is his presence in the room, which while huge, should not garner a multi-Million $ contract. Mitchell won his cup and might be ready to sail off into the sunset. Of the two, I'd rather have him accept a dock in pay and stay with the team. As great as Richards' contract seemed in the beginning, it's starting to sour on me as his rapid decline continues. Coupled with Brown's lack of offensive numbers and hits, it seems like we have a lot tied up for a 3rd and 4th liner... Be that as it may, I'm sure Deano has a plan... In DL I trust.
With re to Lewie, I'm glad he'll be around. He's the proto-typical role player that every successful team needs. It's time to forget about his draft position and enjoy him for what he is and what he brings to this team! GKG! Bring on the Sharks!
- Stu17

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- tkecanuck341

ahhh, didn't realize I was in the presence of CPAs... on the streets M usually is enough. But thank you for the knowledge lesson!

ahhh, didn't realize I was in the presence of CPAs... on the streets M usually is enough. But thank you for the knowledge lesson!
- Stu17

I'm actually a software engineer, but I create a lot of software that deals with finance. That leads me to use the common (if not proper) notation when dealing with questions of accounting.

My opinion is Campbell is being rewarded for his six years at Manchester and wearing the C, hence the call-up while the banged up D rest. I don't see him in the team's plan's, but you never know. The big issue is whether Mitchell wants to go fishing or keep playing here, and if so, will he accept a one-year deal. Two may be too much risk for Dean. He is still very good at what he does, just a step slower. Greene will be missed, especially as a great teammate and warrior from most reports you hear. He may get a Kings contract and a pay cut if Mitchell decides to move on. I don't like the idea of two stay-at-home veteran D guys leaving at the same time (with Regher also only having a year left). We just don't know how well Forbert, McNabb and Gravel (guys with size still needing to fill out) will do at the NHL level. Scary but exciting at the same time.

I think Greene is out for sure, he can't see the ice now, hard to think he'll be back next year. Mitchell probably is done too, depending on how they feel about the other prospects.

I'm actually a software engineer, but I create a lot of software that deals with finance. That leads me to use the common (if not proper) notation when dealing with questions of accounting.
- tkecanuck341

I would've never even known MM is used to denote million(s), I was thinking it was an iPhone autocorrection thing LOL

I think Greene is out for sure, he can't see the ice now, hard to think he'll be back next year. Mitchell probably is done too, depending on how they feel about the other prospects.
- bluecoconuts

i'd say greene is out and mitchell is only brought back on a one year deal at a reduced rate or with incentives based on games played. that way you're likely bringing one young defenseman onto the squad to ease them in this year and next.

up front, i agree, there has to be some reshaping. hopefully teh cap continues to rise a bit more each year to ease the pain.

I think Greene is out for sure, he can't see the ice now, hard to think he'll be back next year. Mitchell probably is done too, depending on how they feel about the other prospects.
- bluecoconuts

I think Greene is done as a LA King. Since his injury last season, he just hasn't been the same guy. I like the guy, but we have too many better/cheaper options to consider keeping him.

Forbort probably needs one more season in the AHL before he's NHL ready. He's got tons of potential, but has the risk of turning into another Keaton Ellerby if he's rushed (1st round pick that doesn't live up to potential). We could then bring back Regehr for one more season for him to mentor Forbort.

I think McNabb will make the team out of training camp next season. He has the potential to turn into a top-line defenseman, but needs some mentoring before that will happen. He already has 3 AHL seasons under his belt and nearly 40 NHL games with the Sabres. He'll fit the 6-7 role nicely and will benefit from the veteran influence provided by....

Willie Mitchell. I think Mitchell would be welcome back for one season at $3MM. He's played well lately, and would be a good veteran guy to mentor McNabb. After next season, Mitchell could head to greener pastures and McNabb would fit in nicely on Doughty or Voynov's left. Now it's just the question of whether Mitchell would take the $3MM offered.

If Mitchell and Greene are both headed out, we could sign a 30-something UFA like Nick Schultz to a one-year deal. He could probably be had for around the money that we were going to offer to Mitchell.

Our parings would look like this for the next two years:

2014-15
Muzzin-Doughty
Regehr-Voynov
Martinez-Mitchell
McNabb

2015-16
Muzzin-Doughty
McNabb-Voynov
Martinez-Regehr
Forbort

Looks good to me.

i'd say greene is out and mitchell is only brought back on a one year deal at a reduced rate or with incentives based on games played. that way you're likely bringing one young defenseman onto the squad to ease them in this year and next.

up front, i agree, there has to be some reshaping. hopefully teh cap continues to rise a bit more each year to ease the pain.
- hiway39

I don't think there's too much to worry about. If we can resign Gaborik for $6.5MM as Lewis suggests, then our rosters could look something like this over the next couple seasons. (This is for salary purposes only, I'm not suggesting we actually keep Mike Richards on the 4th line.). I threw an arbitrary amount in there for the 2015-16 cap, but as you can see it would only need to increase around $4.5MM to make this roster viable.

2014-15
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($6.500m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Justin Williams ($3.650m)
Tanner Pearson ($0.736m) / Jeff Carter ($5.273m) / Tyler Toffoli ($0.717m)
Dwight King ($1.500m) / Jarret Stoll ($3.250m) / Dustin Brown ($5.875m)
Kyle Clifford ($1.075m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Trevor Lewis ($1.500m)
Jordan Nolan ($0.700m) / Linden Vey ($0.735m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Jake Muzzin ($1.000m) / Drew Doughty ($7.000m)
Robyn Regehr ($3.000m) / Slava Voynov ($4.167m)
Alec Martinez ($1.100m) / Willie Mitchell ($3.000m)
Brayden McNabb ($0.900m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($5.800m)
Martin Jones ($0.550m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,576,894; BONUSES: $342,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $523,106

2015-16
FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($6.500m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Justin Williams ($4.000m)
Tanner Pearson ($1.250m) / Jeff Carter ($5.273m) / Tyler Toffoli ($3.750m)
Dwight King ($1.500m) / Jarret Stoll ($3.250m) / Dustin Brown ($5.875m)
Kyle Clifford ($1.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Trevor Lewis ($1.500m)
Linden Vey ($0.735m) / Jordan Nolan ($0.800m)
DEFENSEMEN
Jake Muzzin ($2.500m) / Drew Doughty ($7.000m)
Brayden McNabb ($0.900m) / Slava Voynov ($4.167m)
Alec Martinez ($2.500m) / Robyn Regehr ($3.000m)
Derek Forbort ($0.863m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($5.800m)
Martin Jones ($0.550m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (estimations for 2015-16)
SALARY CAP: $77,800,000; CAP PAYROLL: $75,762,727; BONUSES: $36,667
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,037,273

I love Lewis. But 1.5 per is steep. McClement is actually good at playing center. Lewis just fills in and isnt that good at it. I wish every other player put in as much hussle as Lewis. I keep hoping he finds the scoring touch a little bit. I still cant get over paying him 1.5mil per. Hes a 4th liner. Kings are always overpaying for players. Its sad.

I think that Mitchelle and Greene are both gone next year. And I hope so. Find another replacement or keep getting these youngsters exp.

I think Greene is done as a LA King. Since his injury last season, he just hasn't been the same guy. I like the guy, but we have too many better/cheaper options to consider keeping him.

Forbort probably needs one more season in the AHL before he's NHL ready. He's got tons of potential, but has the risk of turning into another Keaton Ellerby if he's rushed (1st round pick that doesn't live up to potential). We could then bring back Regehr for one more season for him to mentor Forbort.


Willie Mitchell. I think Mitchell would be welcome back for one season at $3MM. He's played well lately, and would be a good veteran guy to mentor McNabb. After next season, Mitchell could head to greener pastures and McNabb would fit in nicely on Doughty or Voynov's left. Now it's just the question of whether Mitchell would take the $3MM offered.



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- tkecanuck341

Forbort is more along the lines of 2 to 4 years outs. Depending on if he gets his game going. He's got potential yes. But he hasnt been very good in Manch.

For me. If we brought back Willie. It better be for less than 3mil. He isnt worth it anymore.