John Jaeckel: Win In Nashville, Miller, Goalies

I'll play the hypothetical rumor card. How about Kane for Miller? Kidding.

Brandon Saad and a (low) first?

Also in reality it makes negative sense to send over Miller unless you send Crawford back. Or Crawford just lays on LTIR for a year. How abouts Saad and Crawford for Miller, McNabb and our 2nd.

Please no flaming, just a friendly discussion.

I'll play the hypothetical rumor card. How about Kane for Miller? Kidding.

Brandon Saad and a (low) first?

Also in reality it makes negative sense to send over Miller unless you send Crawford back. Or Crawford just lays on LTIR for a year. How abouts Saad and Crawford for Miller, McNabb and our 2nd.

Please no flaming, just a friendly discussion.
- TheSabresTaco

Sure that sounds like a good idea!

I'll play the hypothetical rumor card. How about Kane for Miller? Kidding.

Brandon Saad and a (low) first?

Also in reality it makes negative sense to send over Miller unless you send Crawford back. Or Crawford just lays on LTIR for a year. How abouts Saad and Crawford for Miller, McNabb and our 2nd.

Please no flaming, just a friendly discussion.
- TheSabresTaco

Being freindly we are only offering at this time Lalonde and a bag of pucks. No one is going to help the Sabres out of the corner they have boxed themselves into with Miller.

I'll play the hypothetical rumor card. How about Kane for Miller? Kidding.

Brandon Saad and a (low) first?

Also in reality it makes negative sense to send over Miller unless you send Crawford back. Or Crawford just lays on LTIR for a year. How abouts Saad and Crawford for Miller, McNabb and our 2nd.

Please no flaming, just a friendly discussion.
- TheSabresTaco

Problem for the Hawks in doing a deal for someone like Miller: they would have to give up someone off the roster - a Saad or Shaw or Kruger.

Trouble is, this team is so well-balanced now that losing someone busts up a line, and apparently (it's been proven) there are no replacements on the farm for any regular skater, especially at forward.

Leddy maybe could go - leaving Brookbank/Roszival/Kostca to fill the 5/6 slots - and hope for no injuries to 1-4.

The most logical switch would be for Raanta - with Miller back, Hawks could move him. But that really busts up you depth in goal after this year.

So - I would say (with absolutely no inside information) - no deal here.

Besides - if Crawford is due to start skating soon, he probably would be back by the end of the O-break at the latest.

Problem for the Hawks in doing a deal for someone like Miller: they would have to give up someone off the roster - a Saad or Shaw or Kruger.

Trouble is, this team is so well-balanced now that losing someone busts up a line, and apparently (it's been proven) there are no replacements on the farm for any regular skater, especially at forward.

Leddy maybe could go - leaving Brookbank/Roszival/Kostca to fill the 5/6 slots - and hope for no injuries to 1-4.

The most logical switch would be for Raanta - with Miller back, Hawks could move him. But that really busts up you depth in goal after this year.

So - I would say (with absolutely no inside information) - no deal here.

Besides - if Crawford is due to start skating soon, he probably would be back by the end of the O-break at the latest.
- StLBravesFan

Don't you think they will go after some sort of vet dman who is cheap? IMO the likes of Brookbank/Roszival/Kostca going into beard season makes me nervous.

Problem for the Hawks in doing a deal for someone like Miller: they would have to give up someone off the roster - a Saad or Shaw or Kruger.

Trouble is, this team is so well-balanced now that losing someone busts up a line, and apparently (it's been proven) there are no replacements on the farm for any regular skater, especially at forward.

Leddy maybe could go - leaving Brookbank/Roszival/Kostca to fill the 5/6 slots - and hope for no injuries to 1-4.

The most logical switch would be for Raanta - with Miller back, Hawks could move him. But that really busts up you depth in goal after this year.

So - I would say (with absolutely no inside information) - no deal here.

Besides - if Crawford is due to start skating soon, he probably would be back by the end of the O-break at the latest.
- StLBravesFan

Problem for the Hawks in doing a deal for someone like Miller: they would have to give up someone off the roster - a Saad or Shaw or Kruger.

Trouble is, this team is so well-balanced now that losing someone busts up a line, and apparently (it's been proven) there are no replacements on the farm for any regular skater, especially at forward.

Leddy maybe could go - leaving Brookbank/Roszival/Kostca to fill the 5/6 slots - and hope for no injuries to 1-4.

The most logical switch would be for Raanta - with Miller back, Hawks could move him. But that really busts up you depth in goal after this year.

So - I would say (with absolutely no inside information) - no deal here.

Besides - if Crawford is due to start skating soon, he probably would be back by the end of the O-break at the latest.
- StLBravesFan

Realistically I understand there's no deal here. But seeing as work is slow right now, I was building more of a hypothetical situation. Having Miller and Crawford is nonsensical. But if Miller were to not only resign but become your number one goalie, I still see him being worth your first and Saad/Kruger.

Don't you think they will go after some sort of vet dman who is cheap? IMO the likes of Brookbank/Roszival/Kostca going into beard season makes me nervous.
- hockey nut 28

Well that's why I sent McNabb in my hypothetic offer. And I can't emphasize that enough.

Problem for the Hawks in doing a deal for someone like Miller: they would have to give up someone off the roster - a Saad or Shaw or Kruger.

Trouble is, this team is so well-balanced now that losing someone busts up a line, and apparently (it's been proven) there are no replacements on the farm for any regular skater, especially at forward.

Leddy maybe could go - leaving Brookbank/Roszival/Kostca to fill the 5/6 slots - and hope for no injuries to 1-4.

The most logical switch would be for Raanta - with Miller back, Hawks could move him. But that really busts up you depth in goal after this year.

So - I would say (with absolutely no inside information) - no deal here.

Besides - if Crawford is due to start skating soon, he probably would be back by the end of the O-break at the latest.
- StLBravesFan

Every GM in the league knows that Buffalo has very little leverage here and it decreases as every day goes by without a deal done. I don't believe the Hawks think they have to hit the panic button with the Crow injury to the point of having to make a deal that weakens the squad.

Well that's why I sent McNabb in my hypothetic offer. And I can't emphasize that enough.
- TheSabresTaco

If you're the GM of Chicago do you make that trade? I thought not.

This makes absolutely no sense to me, and I can't figure out how it became a rumor in the first place. Maybe some of the Buffalo brass "leaked" it to drive up Miller's value. Or maybe it was Garth.

Don't you think they will go after some sort of vet dman who is cheap? IMO the likes of Brookbank/Roszival/Kostca going into beard season makes me nervous.
- hockey nut 28

With Leddy or without?

That combo with Leddy is fine - a good 5/6 group of four. Why go after a cheap vet defender - you already have Brookbank/Roszival/Kostka.

If you're the GM of Chicago do you make that trade? I thought not.
- paulr

Jesus you guys are boring.

Every GM in the league knows that Buffalo has very little leverage here and it decreases as every day goes by without a deal done. I don't believe the Hawks think they have to hit the panic button with the Crow injury to the point of having to make a deal that weakens the squad.
- rtang415

You nailed it. Dealing for Miller is a move borne out of panic.

This makes absolutely no sense to me, and I can't figure out how it became a rumor in the first place. Maybe some of the Buffalo brass "leaked" it to drive up Miller's value. Or maybe it was Garth.
- Sandus

This exactly. They have no leverage here with any trading partner. Their only hope is that some dumb a*s GM will over pay for a needed goalie. Unfortunately for Buffalo the teams that need goalies at this point are run by GM's that aren't in that category.

Problem for the Hawks in doing a deal for someone like Miller: they would have to give up someone off the roster - a Saad or Shaw or Kruger.

Trouble is, this team is so well-balanced now that losing someone busts up a line, and apparently (it's been proven) there are no replacements on the farm for any regular skater, especially at forward.

Leddy maybe could go - leaving Brookbank/Roszival/Kostca to fill the 5/6 slots - and hope for no injuries to 1-4.

The most logical switch would be for Raanta - with Miller back, Hawks could move him. But that really busts up you depth in goal after this year.

So - I would say (with absolutely no inside information) - no deal here.

Besides - if Crawford is due to start skating soon, he probably would be back by the end of the O-break at the latest.
- StLBravesFan

I thought he was only supposed to be out 2-3 weeks? What ever happened to that? I mean that's great cause I currently own Raanta.. but to the O break would be fantastic.

Jesus you guys are boring.
- TheSabresTaco

No. We just don't suffer fools well. Especially those who come to the blog to pee and moan about their teams woes. We have no sympathy for bad owners and GM's who sign off on horrible contracts as we had our fill for years until recently.

Scenario A:

A Ryan Miller Deal only makes sense to a Team that can sign him next summer and therefore to a team Miller himself sees as a contender. That is why the three teams mentioned are the Ducks, Hawks and Blues. My speculation is..... these are his three choices. Why would the Hawks send a good roster player now for Miller who will be 7 Million next July?
Especially with young Raanta Claus is 7-1-1 the last nine games and looking better every start.


Scenario B:
The only way this ever would happen is if somehow the organization does not think that Crawford is their guy going forward even after signing the new deal.

In this scenario it starts to make sense. Move Crawford to a team like Edmonton and sign Miller before Jul1st.

Being freindly we are only offering at this time Lalonde and a bag of pucks. No one is going to help the Sabres out of the corner they have boxed themselves into with Miller.
- rtang415

That's the rights to Lalonde, not Lalonde himself.

I'm sure some team will pay (and possibly overpay) to get their hands on Miller. That team will not be the Hawks.

Scenario A:

A Ryan Miller Deal only makes sense to a Team that can sign him next summer and therefore to a team Miller himself sees as a contender. That is why the three teams mentioned are the Ducks, Hawks and Blues. My speculation is..... these are his three choices. Why would the Hawks send a good roster player now for Miller who will be 7 Million next July?
Especially with young Raanta Claus is 7-1-1 the last nine games and looking better every start.


Scenario B:
The only way this ever would happen is if somehow the organization does not think that Crawford is their guy going forward even after signing the new deal.

In this scenario it starts to make sense. Move Crawford to a team like Edmonton and sign Miller before Jul1st.
- PEIHawkFan

Add Colorado

That's the rights to Lalonde, not Lalonde himself.

I'm sure some team will pay (and possibly overpay) to get their hands on Miller. That team will not be the Hawks.
- EKolb13

That is correct and my apologies. Still a little sleepy when I posted that.

I'll play the hypothetical rumor card. How about Kane for Miller? Kidding.

Brandon Saad and a (low) first?

Also in reality it makes negative sense to send over Miller unless you send Crawford back. Or Crawford just lays on LTIR for a year. How abouts Saad and Crawford for Miller, McNabb and our 2nd.

Please no flaming, just a friendly discussion.
- TheSabresTaco

You want the Hawks to give you a stanley cup winning, 28 year old goaltender (who they have locked up for the next six years) and Saad for your 33 year old goaltender who is an UFA this summer? I like Ryan Miller, but this makes no sense at all.

Unless you throw in John Scott...

Not sure the Miller thing works, but I'd love to see him here.

I've never been a fan of CC, but he was great in the playoffs last year. But inconsistent, and not a top 10 NHL goalie.

On the other hand, what I've seen from Raanta is that he can get to that level. Needs better understanding of the North American game, including the rinks, travel demands, opponents, speed, etc. He's got top level skill. Already a better glove hand than CC, as well as better in seeing through screens and better in scrambles. Much more agile.

My opinion is in 2 years Raanta will be a better NHL goalie than CC.

No. We just don't suffer fools well. Especially those who come to the blog to pee and moan about their teams woes. We have no sympathy for bad owners and GM's who sign off on horrible contracts as we had our fill for years until recently.
- rtang415

I hope you're not referring to me. I was simply making a fantasy offer for fun.