Erik Marsh: WING THINGS: Avs no longer undefeated, Was Mcleod's hit dirty? Mile-High win, The Mule, McLeod's hit on Kronwall

McCleod has been an underhanded cheap shot artist for a long time. Now it's finally caught up to him. I really had to laugh as I was watching the Colorado broadcast of the game. I don't know who the analyst was in between periods, but he basically tried to say it was Kronwalls fault. Hope he gets 10 games...

McCleod has been an underhanded cheap shot artist for a long time. Now it's finally caught up to him. I really had to laugh as I was watching the Colorado broadcast of the game. I don't know who the analyst was in between periods, but he basically tried to say it was Kronwalls fault. Hope he gets 10 games...
- MnGump

Kronwall said it was Kronwall's fault too. McLeod should have let up, but Kronwall knows better than to do what he did.

Kronwall said it was Kronwall's fault too. McLeod should have let up, but Kronwall knows better than to do what he did.
- FinAddict

I guess, but after watching the play several times, I guess I'm not certain of what he could have done differently in a play that seemed to happen so fast. Give up the puck? I get that players need to be accountable at times for their own safety, but I think there is much to be said about a player being allowed to operate with his back to his opponent with at least some sort of confidence that he's not going to have his head taken off by an opposing player flying in at top speed. I still think the majority of the onus is on McCleod.

Yes, the McLeod hit was dirty. Not as dirty as the Lapierre hit, but dirty.

I guess, but after watching the play several times, I guess I'm not certain of what he could have done differently in a play that seemed to happen so fast. Give up the puck? I get that players need to be accountable at times for their own safety, but I think there is much to be said about a player being allowed to operate with his back to his opponent with at least some sort of confidence that he's not going to have his head taken off by an opposing player flying in at top speed. I still think the majority of the onus is on McCleod.
- MnGump

Skate behind the net, make a pass, take the hit, move on. His spin move trying to avoid the check is what did him in.

I agree that McCleod takes the blame however, at the end of the day he's the guy who threw the hit. Interested to see what he gets compared to Lapierre.

two men standing talking
one man calls the other man an ahole
other man reaches out and punches the big mouth

who's at fault?

does anyone think this is the same thing or close too it?

IMHO, the hitter is to blame in all cases. On the street, or on the ICE, no difference

I guess, but after watching the play several times, I guess I'm not certain of what he could have done differently in a play that seemed to happen so fast. Give up the puck? I get that players need to be accountable at times for their own safety, but I think there is much to be said about a player being allowed to operate with his back to his opponent with at least some sort of confidence that he's not going to have his head taken off by an opposing player flying in at top speed. I still think the majority of the onus is on McCleod.
- MnGump

Not turn around and drop your head right into an oncoming skater you know is there. Go behind the net. Chip the puck up the boards and then go behind the net. He could of let McLeod go by him and then tied him up on the boards. Crappy play. But the Onus must start to fall onto the Dman to. So that they will be more aware around the league. The Onus needs to be on both guys here.

Not turn around and drop your head right into an oncoming skater you know is there. Go behind the net. Chip the puck up the boards and then go behind the net. He could of let McLeod go by him and then tied him up on the boards. Crappy play. But the Onus must start to fall onto the Dman to. So that they will be more aware around the league. The Onus needs to be on both guys here.
- poisondhearts37

Everyone needs to watch the replay a lot closer. McLeod never had a clean shot at Kronwall and in fact can be clearly seen changing direction to his left to ensure he makes the hit when Kronwall reverses direction. Kronwall may not have seen the replays when he spoke with the Swedish press so he may not realize that when he turned it was actually away from the hit and McLeod turned as well to make the hit right into the numbers on Kronwall's back with his elbow not just hitting Kronwall's head but knocking his helmet off in the process. Careless, goonish, dirty play that deserves a length time riding the pine.

two men standing talking
one man calls the other man an ahole
other man reaches out and punches the big mouth

who's at fault?

does anyone think this is the same thing or close too it? not even close

IMHO, the hitter is to blame in all cases. On the street, or on the ICE, no difference
- 10baci

You obviously never played...the fault is 50-50...you can't expect players to always hold up when a dman makes a quick change of direction...Kronwall tried to make a quick turn up ice and McLeod didn't change direction to accommodate Kronwalls move....though McLeod didn't appear to let up, he didn't appear to drive through him neither...all of us who have played have tried a quick spin-off too and if it doesn't work you know what to expect....i'm not saying the hit was clean but IMO I don't think there is intent, 2-3 games

Everyone needs to watch the replay a lot closer. McLeod never had a clean shot at Kronwall and in fact can be clearly seen changing direction to his left to ensure he makes the hit when Kronwall reverses direction. Kronwall may not have seen the replays when he spoke with the Swedish press so he may not realize that when he turned it was actually away from the hit and McLeod turned as well to make the hit right into the numbers on Kronwall's back with his elbow not just hitting Kronwall's head but knocking his helmet off in the process. Careless, goonish, dirty play that deserves a length time riding the pine.
- NCRedWing

I sincerely hope you watched the play in slo-motion... because of course that is how quickly we as fans are able to process the situation. McLeod didn't have time to "correct" his direction, his "point of attack" was as a result of Kronwall's change in direction and lowering/ducking to try and avoid contact.

This kind of pursuit happens in every game, forechecker barring down on defensemen going back for the puck.

Was it a boarding penalty? yes - absolutely, he hit the player too hard, harder than necessary. He didn't raise his hands, he didn't target the head with his elbow or shoulder pad.

I'm neither a fan of Detroit , nor Colorado. But I can say this... whenever a player lowers themselves , usually to avoid a hit, they get it worse... and that unfortunately is what happened to Kronwall.

Not turn around and drop your head right into an oncoming skater you know is there. Go behind the net. Chip the puck up the boards and then go behind the net. He could of let McLeod go by him and then tied him up on the boards. Crappy play. But the Onus must start to fall onto the Dman to. So that they will be more aware around the league. The Onus needs to be on both guys here.
- poisondhearts37

this

I know Kronwall turned back, but Mcleod was looking at the number 55 the entire time.

I know Kronwall turned back, but Mcleod was looking at the number 55 the entire time.
- houseofcards74

I guess that was part of the point I was alluding to as well. Board play
and puck mashing along the boards is one thing, but when a guy is playing
the puck along the boards with his back to the opponent, is it not pretty much
a rule that if you see his number you don't fly in at full speed
trying to hit him? Pretty sure that's the where the whole boarding and hitting
from behind rule comes into play... Skating in and pinning or tying a guy up along
the boards is not what McCleod was trying to do...

The majority of Avs fans, including myself thought it was a dirty hit. He should get around 5 games.

Karma is a female dog, ain't it?

Karma is a female dog, ain't it?
- Elbows15

You're a female dog.

Karma is a female dog, ain't it?
- Elbows15

my feelings are hurt now

Yes, the McLeod hit was dirty. Not as dirty as the Lapierre hit, but dirty.
- tomburton99

Wondering what cody will get now that Lapierre has been handed 5.

thoughts?

Wondering what cody will get now that Lapierre has been handed 5.

thoughts?
- AvsAnonymous

Same or less.

Maybe a couple of next years preseason games.

You obviously never played...the fault is 50-50...you can't expect players to always hold up when a dman makes a quick change of direction...Kronwall tried to make a quick turn up ice and McLeod didn't change direction to accommodate Kronwalls move....though McLeod didn't appear to let up, he didn't appear to drive through him neither...all of us who have played have tried a quick spin-off too and if it doesn't work you know what to expect....i'm not saying the hit was clean but IMO I don't think there is intent, 2-3 games
- Isles4fornow

Clearly - really ?? I've been playing for over 30 years
Did kronwal get a penalty ? NO
MCleod is guilty and the Refs made the right call

If the big mouth in my example called the cops -only the other guy would get charged - there is no 50-50 either you've committed a penalty or not
It's like being pregnant u either are or arent
U can't say it's 50-50 and then only one guy gets suspended
That defies common sense

Karma is a female dog, ain't it?
- Elbows15

Clearly - really ?? I've been playing for over 30 years
Did kronwal get a penalty ? NO
MCleod is guilty and the Refs made the right call

If the big mouth in my example called the cops -only the other guy would get charged - there is no 50-50 either you've committed a penalty or not
It's like being pregnant u either are or arent
U can't say it's 50-50 and then only one guy gets suspended
That defies common sense
- 10baci

Either way your example doesn't represent the situation at hand. I never said it wasn't a penalty, I said it wasn't intent.

By the way they would both be arrested. One assault one battery.

And there's nothing common about "common sense"

Either way your example doesn't represent the situation at hand. I never said it wasn't a penalty, I said it wasn't intent.

By the way they would both be arrested. One assault one battery.

And there's nothing common about "common sense"
- Isles4fornow

but you did say the "fault" is 50-50. thats were I disagree, and thats the point i was trying to make. Only Cody got the penalty and only COdy will get the suspension. so the fault is only on Cody 100% cheers

but you did say the "fault" is 50-50. thats were I disagree, and thats the point i was trying to make. Only Cody got the penalty and only COdy will get the suspension. so the fault is only on Cody 100% cheers
- 10baci

I wouldn't what Kronwall did was stupid, but it wasn't smart. There's no 2 min minor for "not being smart".

If there was, you would not have seen much ice time over the past 30 years.